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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedragon View Post
    By that logic, Garrosh wasn't the racial leader of the Orcs when he died so he doesn't count.
    Garrosh was the leader of the orcs, and we lost it, then he died, mind you, the orcs stayed without a racial leader until Ion said it was Saurfang on twiter on Legion.

    Malfurion and tyrande never left, there is not a single race of the alliance who stayed without a racial leader, and if youa re counting small characters bu you logic Nazgrin was also a racial leader.


    Well now that we disqualified Garrosh
    you disqualified him, you are wrong
    remind me again how many racial leaders that got turned villain have the horde lost... ohh that's right Zero!
    right now in wow we have 3, the alliance have zero

    like i said, come back when the high king become evil and we raid stormwind then the alliance whiny will make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Garrosh was the leader of the orcs, and we lost it, then he died, mind you, the orcs stayed without a racial leader until Ion said it was Saurfang on twiter on Legion.

    Malfurion and tyrande never left, there is not a single race of the alliance who stayed without a racial leader, and if youa re counting small characters bu you logic Nazgrin was also a racial leader.




    you disqualified him, you are wrong


    right now in wow we have 3, the alliance have zero

    like i said, come back when the high king become evil and we raid stormwind then the alliance whiny will make sense.
    Because the Horde are villains and they deserve it.

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    Anyone knows what mount Mechagnomes get? I'd fully expect a recolor of one of the mechagon robots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Garrosh was the leader of the orcs, and we lost it, then he died, mind you, the orcs stayed without a racial leader until Ion said it was Saurfang on twiter on Legion.
    My whole point was that if you're going to disqualify Staghelm because he died after getting hit with the villein bat, and failing his first plan, then Garrosh falls in the same folder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Malfurion and tyrande never left, there is not a single race of the alliance who stayed without a racial leader, and if youa re counting small characters bu you logic Nazgrin was also a racial leader.
    But the point you where trying to make before was that Alliance never got hit with the Villein bat not that we didn't go without racial leaders.

    Up until just before Cata, Malfurion was preoccupied with the Dream, and most certainly not around. Until that point Fandral was the co leader of the Nightelves, during the Cata Lead up we found out that he had fallen to the nightmare, and the whole point you where trying to make beforehand was that none of the Alliance leaders where hit with the villein bat.

    No mater how much you dislike it He was in lore AND in game considered A co Leader of the Nightleves


    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    you disqualified him, you are wrong
    And you Disqualified Fandral and you're wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    right now in wow we have 3, the alliance have zero
    Garosh, and Sylvanas (Who isn't dead yet)so 2 not 3. I would also point out that Sylvanas was never a good person post raising, so acting like this is some kind of new development is silly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    like i said, come back when the high king become evil and we raid stormwind then the alliance whiny will make sense.
    You got to Attack AND blow up Theramore, You Burned Teldrassil, AND you blew up UC to keep it out of enemy hands. Alliance so far has gotten to blow up 2 walls (UC west wall, Daz treasure wall), and 1 gate (Org front gate). come back to me when you have Suramar blow up because of something Tyranda did and afterwords The Alliance is let of with a "well, try not to do it again".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    Anyone knows what mount Mechagnomes get? I'd fully expect a recolor of one of the mechagon robots...
    Mechanostriders

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHR View Post
    I can't believe the allied race we're getting is a tinker participation award...

    Get this god damn technology out of my fantasy world.
    1. Nope.

    2. Isn't 'your' world. Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    Anyone knows what mount Mechagnomes get? I'd fully expect a recolor of one of the mechagon robots...
    Nope, its actually a new model.

    Edit: looks like someone posted images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedragon View Post
    My whole point was that if you're going to disqualify Staghelm because he died after getting hit with the villein bat, and failing his first plan, then Garrosh falls in the same folder.
    no im gonna disqualify him because he is a normal character, not the racial leader you would mke sense if it was Tyrande or Malfurion who leve the alliance and become villain, this didn't happen, alliance leader in wow never became evil and we had to raid alliance cities and deal with then, its alliance favoritism, deal with that.
    But the point you where trying to make before was that Alliance never got hit with the Villein bat not that we didn't go without racial leaders.
    And the point is entirely true, no alliance leader leave the alliance and became evil and we had to kill then, Benedictus and fandral were not racial leaders, theyw ere just characters and the horde lost in the same way.
    Up until just before Cata, Malfurion was preoccupied with the Dream, and most certainly not around.
    still is an allince leader tht you didn't lost or got killed, grats we don't have this luck
    Until that point Fandral was the co leader of the Nightelves
    nope, he wasn't, he is almost a nobody, just because he is influent and have importance don't mean he is the racial elader, is like saying Nazgring was a orc leader.
    And you Disqualified Fandral and you're wrong.
    an nobody who was not the racial leader, the racial elader of the night elves are tyrande and Malfurion, simple as that.



    Garosh, and Sylvanas (Who isn't dead yet)so 2 not 3.
    Gallywix becme evil and we lost him too, that alone is more than alliance ever have lost even if you consider nobodies
    I would also point out that Sylvanas was never a good person post raising, so acting like this is some kind of new development is silly.
    it don't matter she was the leader and we lost, something the allince don't have to face

    Tauren leader is gone? bring is lame son
    the dwarf leader is gone? bring 3 leaders in replacement, and actually bring back that leader and make him even more importante

    Troll leader is gone? let those fucker stay without racial leader for 2 expnsions
    gnome leader is frozen? he will come back even more powerful in the same expansion!

    so fair amright?
    You got to Attack AND blow up Theramore,
    an non capital city and Jaina didn't die, you got to Raid, sack and beat the warchief.
    You Burned Teldrassil
    and Malfurion get away.

    .
    AND you blew up UC to keep it out of enemy hands
    one cit for other city

    come back to me when you have Suramar blow up because of something Tyranda did and afterwords The Alliance is let of with a "well, try not to do it again".
    what? lmao, this don't have make sense

    Come back to me when the high king become evil and we have to raid and sack stormwind
    come back to me when an alliance race stay more than one expansion without a racial leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    Nope, its actually a new model.

    Edit: looks like someone posted images.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moggie View Post
    Mechanostriders
    Thanks guys, I saw wowhead posted the Vulpera counterpart (Hyena with a fancy tent-like seat), so really wanted to see if Mechagnomes are getting something cool. Must have missed it somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    "Spark reactor defibrillator".

    So they're making Gelbin Mekkatorque into Tony/Stark Iron Man, now?
    Well, he does have a mechagnome heart in his chest now.

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    Seems like a lot of work for a AR that very very few will play

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    Seems like a lot of work for a AR that very very few will play
    Would you rather Alliance got no new races at all? Because they aren't getting Blood Elf.

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    Would you rather Alliance got no new races at all? Because they aren't getting Blood Elf.
    I would rather no more new Ar . The furry rats and the cyber gnomes are both equally stupid looking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmar View Post
    Ugh, I care about cybergnomes even less than I did about fat humans. Alliance is honestly never getting any interesting allied races.
    They found a way to make them exciting though- by giving them ungodly powerful racials. Once they get nerfed everoyne will be stuck with an ugly little mech midget that they dont want to play.

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    Nah. Gnomes need this win.
    They need nothing, but to go extinct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    no im gonna disqualify him because he is a normal character, not the racial leader you would mke sense if it was Tyrande or Malfurion who leve the alliance and become villain, this didn't happen, alliance leader in wow never became evil and we had to raid alliance cities and deal with then, its alliance favoritism, deal with that.


    And the point is entirely true, no alliance leader leave the alliance and became evil and we had to kill then, Benedictus and fandral were not racial leaders, theyw ere just characters and the horde lost in the same way.


    still is an allince leader tht you didn't lost or got killed, grats we don't have this luck


    nope, he wasn't, he is almost a nobody, just because he is influent and have importance don't mean he is the racial elader, is like saying Nazgring was a orc leader.


    an nobody who was not the racial leader, the racial elader of the night elves are tyrande and Malfurion, simple as that.





    Gallywix becme evil and we lost him too, that alone is more than alliance ever have lost even if you consider nobodies


    it don't matter she was the leader and we lost, something the allince don't have to face

    Tauren leader is gone? bring is lame son
    the dwarf leader is gone? bring 3 leaders in replacement, and actually bring back that leader and make him even more importante

    Troll leader is gone? let those fucker stay without racial leader for 2 expnsions
    gnome leader is frozen? he will come back even more powerful in the same expansion!

    so fair amright?


    an non capital city and Jaina didn't die, you got to Raid, sack and beat the warchief.


    and Malfurion get away.

    .

    one cit for other city



    what? lmao, this don't have make sense

    Come back to me when the high king become evil and we have to raid and sack stormwind
    come back to me when an alliance race stay more than one expansion without a racial leader.
    Staghelm maynot have been a Racial Leader, but he was Leader of the Cenarion Circle and Darnassian druids, Teacher Lieutenant of Malfurion Stormrage. He was not a nobody.. He was a Nathanos .

    ALso the part you did not understand. THat was them saying that Alliance has not Destroyed a whole City beyond repair. THey are saying you can make a compairson when and If Tyrande when and nuked Suramar with all her power to a point the city was unliveabele and beyone repair. . The Alliance has broken into the cities, but have not raised the like the horde. Theramore and Teldrassil can never be repaired. They are gone. Undercity , the Troll Capital the Gate of Orgrimmar. They are fixable. So do not act like it is the same ting at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLisanna View Post
    Staghelm maynot have been a Racial Leader, but he was Leader of the Cenarion Circle and Darnassian druids, Teacher Lieutenant of Malfurion Stormrage. He was not a nobody.. He was a Nathanos
    And nathanos is also a nobody

    again, he lost a racial leader, and the elader of the faction, THREE IN A ROW, the alliance didn't

    he was not a racial leader, just another night elf, he don't count as a racial leader, he is just another character who died, and if we are counting this the horde also lost far more.

    ALso the part you did not understand. THat was them saying that Alliance has not Destroyed a whole City beyond repair. THey are saying you can make a compairson when and If Tyrande when and nuked Suramar with all her power to a point the city was unliveabele and beyone repair. .
    thats completely irrelevant how you did in this context, its done, both races lost their cities, end.

    The Alliance has broken into the cities, but have not raised the like the horde
    the alliance raided and sacked a horde capital main city, the horde enver did that with the alliance

    Theramore
    not a main racial city
    and Teldrassil can never be repaired.
    druids can repair

    Undercity ,
    Gone and in alliance control, if it can be repaied they can take it

    the Troll Capital the Gate of Orgrimmar. They are fixable. So do not act like it is the same ting at all.
    it can be fixed but was raided, sacked and their inhabitants killed regardless, and the horde never did that.

    Again, come back when we raid stormwind to kill/capture evil Anduin, then we will be even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    And nathanos is also a nobody

    again, he lost a racial leader, and the elader of the faction, THREE IN A ROW, the alliance didn't

    he was not a racial leader, just another night elf, he don't count as a racial leader, he is just another character who died, and if we are counting this the horde also lost far more.



    thats completely irrelevant how you did in this context, its done, both races lost their cities, end.



    the alliance raided and sacked a horde capital main city, the horde enver did that with the alliance



    not a main racial city


    druids can repair



    Gone and in alliance control, if it can be repaied they can take it



    it can be fixed but was raided, sacked and their inhabitants killed regardless, and the horde never did that.

    Again, come back when we raid stormwind to kill/capture evil Anduin, then we will be even.

    Wow you is real nitpicky. Saying Lore Characters the right hand men of the Leaders are nobodies... YOu wanna be that way, fine. Call me when Horde gets content cut to ship the game. Cause that happend to the Alliance. A whole chunk of the lead into twilight Highlands was cut just to ship the game while the horde got a hole much better introduction to the zone. In pandaria, a key component who show that Jaina was not wrong for the Purge of Dalaran was cut as well. THis was horde side but, it was evident that Aethas Sunreaver was complete in the theft of the Divine Bell. Knowing how you have acted this is the best and final point. From the Moment the Orcs of Draenor made the decision to corrupt themselves for power. They have been a plague that has infected the rest of the races that choose to join the filth that is the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLisanna View Post
    Wow you is real nitpicky. Saying Lore Characters the right hand men of the Leaders are nobodies...
    yes he is a nobody in the case of not being a racial leader

    Call me when Horde gets content cut to ship the game. Cause that happend to the Alliance.
    vanilla content the horde had content cut, zones cities and everything else, that they had to make things even in cataclysm

    From the Moment the Orcs of Draenor made the decision to corrupt themselves for power. They have been a plague that has infected the rest of the races that choose to join the filth that is the Horde.
    be careful your bias is showing

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLisanna View Post
    Wow you is real nitpicky.
    I wouldn't bother too much with him.

    After all, he still believes, to this day, that the Kul'Tiras allied race was made in one single patch cycle, and only due to player demand, despite interviews from the developers saying it was planned since before the expansion went live, confirmation tweets prior to BfA going live, and datamines of the Kul'Tiran druid forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    After all, he still believes, to this day, that the Kul'Tiras allied race was made in one single patch cycle, and only due to player demand, despite interviews from the developers saying it was planned since before the expansion went live, confirmation tweets prior to BfA going live, and datamines of the Kul'Tiran druid forms.
    On the other hand Mechagnomes look as if they were made just for 8.2 to prep an allied race to be Vulpera counterpart, Horde players were hyped for Vulpera since they were announced, Alliance gets another race that is rushed to create a counterpart for the sake of it, I mean who ever heard of "Void Elves" until they were pushed into the game? There wasn't a single one of these, and no Alleria has unique model, yet no tentacly hair, blue skin or anything.

    It was pretty obvious that neither Sethrak nor Ankoan qualify, because they aren't humanoid enough (plus Sethrak for Alliance would upset Horde who feel it's "their" race too), so they HAD to prep something else.

    Also their idea of racials is very questionable. After uber weak Kul Tiran racial setup, they seem to overcompensate in the Mechagnomes, in b4 nerf like Dark Irons got.

    Vulpera I don't even know what their racial does, it just says use a trick from a bag, with no specific description, so can't say whether it's good or bad, at least Zanadalari had good set of racials, but that could again be compensating for fairly weak Mag'har.

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    So you are saying that when a character is not a race leader they are nothing ... I guess Bolvar, The Bran Bronzebeard ect are noting too ..

    Vanilla had cut content on both sides.

    I used to play horde Henny, then I realized corrupted and evil they are. The horde only has 2 races that are really innocent and they always rise up when the horde is acting the fool to bring them back in line. The Tauren and Trolls. Have been an infection worthy of reorigination.

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