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  1. #701
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    It really isn't and nor was it. Also I'm not sure where this "cloak maxes out" nonsense came from, but there's no confirmed cap on the cloak.

    The math for PvP conquest gear ends the season in August 11th. Add a 4-6 week pre-patch which makes the expansion come out September 8th-29th. Your claim about the cloak having a max or whatever is nowhere officially and it's been nothing but speculation by the forums. Again, because you clearly have no idea how math works, there's still all of October, all of November, and the better half of December for a release.
    LOL talks about maths and speculation on the forums, then proceeds to speculate on release date.

    I mean, you probably could just check wowhead to determine when the last cloak upgrade could be acquired. Since the entire system is time gated

    I know it might be too big brain for you, but here's a link.... https://www.wowhead.com/guides/obtai...-procs#rank-15
    and here https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23227147

    Date: 9/8
    Max Rank of Cloak: 15 (+ Max Corruption Resist)
    And even then, why does any of the "pvp math" matter? None of the original timelines matter at this point. Everything will be delayed.

    E V E R Y T H I N G

    Blizzard isn't somehow insulated from the coronavirus fallout. The game will be delayed into 2021, I have no doubt about that.

  2. #702
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    LOL talks about maths and speculation on the forums, then proceeds to speculate on release date.

    I mean, you probably could just check wowhead to determine when the last cloak upgrade could be acquired. Since the entire system is time gated
    I'm not going to read garbage that isn't an official blue post saying it has a hard cap and when we'll reach that hard cap. Math dictates how you can estimate a release date, you want to speculate on nonsense that isn't confirmed at all. Huge difference.
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    Trust me.

    Zyky is better than you.

  3. #703
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    I'm not going to read garbage that isn't an official blue post saying it has a hard cap and when we'll reach that hard cap. Math dictates how you can estimate a release date, you want to speculate on nonsense that isn't confirmed at all. Huge difference.
    cool now throw a global pandemic into your estimation model and you're speculating like the rest of us

  4. #704
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Noone did.
    Blizzard devs during interviews with streamers/youtubers.

    people just didnt want to belive it becasue it was not said on main stage

    now we have facts . its almost april abd alpha isnt even ready yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    cool now throw a global pandemic into your estimation model and you're speculating like the rest of us
    any gauss models woudl have included it. ofc not direckly pandemic but there is always that most basic 5% in gausian model

    here i recomend reading basis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_function

  5. #705
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    Blizzard devs during interviews with streamers/youtubers.

    people just didnt want to belive it becasue it was not said on main stage

    now we have facts . its almost april abd alpha isnt even ready yet.
    watched/listened to all interviews i could find about shadowlands, nobody from blizz mentioned different year than 2020 for release, can you link source or you just pulled it out of your ass and called it "fact"?

  6. #706
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    cool now throw a global pandemic into your estimation model and you're speculating like the rest of us
    I already did, I said DECEMBER THREE TIMES. The employees are working from home, it's not going to be delayed 8 months. This is fucking common sense and you just can't grasp it.
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    Trust me.

    Zyky is better than you.

  7. #707
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    cool now throw a global pandemic into your estimation model and you're speculating like the rest of us
    Well yeah delays are inevitable. But this kind of job is workable form home quite good. SOme reports even show increase in productivity. But yeah. Delays yes. Until 2021 i don't think so.

  8. #708
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    I already did, I said DECEMBER THREE TIMES. The employees are working from home, it's not going to be delayed 8 months. This is fucking common sense and you just can't grasp it.
    Yeah, nah December is too optimistic

  9. #709
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    The game will be delayed into 2021, I have no doubt about that.
    You should have doubt. You have no idea of the original timeline, how big the impact of the current crisis is(nor can you, because it's still ongoing), nor how much wiggle room Blizzard had in their timeline. You pretty much just randomly picked a point in time and decided that it doubtlessly has to be delayed till then based on absolutely nothing.

    In fact, you should always doubt your own estimates. There's always the risk of missing important information that isn't available to you or simply getting something wrong.

  10. #710
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    You should have doubt. You have no idea of the original timeline, how big the impact of the current crisis is(nor can you, because it's still ongoing), nor how much wiggle room Blizzard had in their timeline. You pretty much just randomly picked a point in time and decided that it doubtlessly has to be delayed till then based on absolutely nothing.

    In fact, you should always doubt your own estimates. There's always the risk of missing important information that isn't available to you or simply getting something wrong.
    I hope I'm wrong. If we had already seen the alpha then maybe I'd think otherwise but given we haven't, plus the world is upside down leads me to believe they will miss 2020 targets.

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    I said it would never happen in a million years, but with the coronavirus situation going on (and presumably getting much, much worse before it gets better), I can totally see Shadowlands getting delayed for 2021. I was already expecting a late Q4 release date to begin with (either November or December), so 2021 Q1 seems quite likely at this point.

  12. #712
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    I'm not going to read garbage that isn't an official blue post saying it has a hard cap and when we'll reach that hard cap. Math dictates how you can estimate a release date, you want to speculate on nonsense that isn't confirmed at all. Huge difference.
    Except the cap is confirmed, in a "blue post" (well, patch notes actually, but a blue posted them)

  13. #713
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    I hope I'm wrong. If we had already seen the alpha then maybe I'd think otherwise but given we haven't, plus the world is upside down leads me to believe they will miss 2020 targets.
    Well the alpha already exists in some form. It shouldn't matter if players see it or not as Blizzard could be changing the NDA stuff again. We didn't always get a full glimpse of early stuff. BfA entered alpha in early 2018 with a August release. If they employed the same time frame for Shadowlands testing they are not behind for an September/October release. Prior to the pandemic of course but with the nature of game development and the internet I bet that Blizzard employees are set up to do a lot of work from home.

    The work would certainly go slower due to being decentralized but game design is one of the few industries that can easily be work from home. So it could be delayed due to the pandemic. But not everything in the world is being hit equally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    I'm not going to read garbage that isn't an official blue post saying it has a hard cap and when we'll reach that hard cap. Math dictates how you can estimate a release date, you want to speculate on nonsense that isn't confirmed at all. Huge difference.
    The math of a September release for, at least the pre-patch, is based on official confirmation that cloak corruption resistance has a hard cap of 125 with a small amount gained weekly. Just because you don't like it, or it conflicts with your pvp math, doesn't mean it is nonsense.
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  14. #714
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    i will remind people 1 more time that during blizzcon intervies devs stated they plan shadowlands for late 2020 or early 2021

    the fact that we have almost april now and not even alpha is out confirms 2021 release
    they never said such a thing and they even said on the pre-order of the game, on or before december 31, 2020. So unless something absolute major happens. SL is coming 2020. This virus will more than likely not affect it. A world war might, but i don't see one happening any time soon
    They can work from home and the majority of the game is already done. They can still travel to the office to do shit they have to do there, 1 at a time. They aren't locked in their homes

  15. #715
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    Yeah, nah December is too optimistic
    "ya, nah" statistics and data prove you wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowz View Post
    Trust me.

    Zyky is better than you.

  16. #716
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Saying something before a global pandemic and saying it during are two completely different things. One was shot down because of no merit. The other has merit.
    incorrect. the Shadowlands reveal was the most underbaked expansion reveal of all time, exemplifying how far behind the expansion really was. an early 2021 release date was always on the table, even before the pandemic.

    alpha was always going to get released in late may; beta was always going to be longer than usual due to the negative feedback of the rushed BFA.
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  17. #717
    Quote Originally Posted by Zexaniro View Post
    incorrect. the Shadowlands reveal was the most underbaked expansion reveal of all time, exemplifying how far behind the expansion really was. an early 2021 release date was always on the table, even before the pandemic. alpha was always going to get released in late may; beta was always going to be longer than usual due to the negative feedback of the rushed BFA.
    It wasn't always on the table. If alpha was always going to be released in late may why are there already encrypted builds? You also have no proof then "I say so". Beta has never been stated to be longer then normal. Blizzard has indicated it was going to be released in 2020. They wouldn't do that while at the same time always intending to delay it because of a late alpha and longer beta.

    So you were shot down for no merit just as you with the assertions in this post. A delay because of the pandemic is not being shot down by anyone because it is entirely possible and reasonable.
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  18. #718
    I actually think this is the perfect excuse for Blizzard to delay the expansion. I can bet they will release a statement that says "due to the covid pandemic, we had to stop development from most of our games and thus we'll be moving Shadowlands release further into 2021, sorry".

    I mean, would it be so bad actually? Maybe it would help not to release a rushed expansion and polish the game, who knows.
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  19. #719
    Yeah I see a lot of talk and zero evidence, I remember people saying BFA was delayed, WOD was delayed, all got launched well before their final date.

    Covid isn't delaying development either, since they probably took their work computers and can work from home, which improves productivity.

  20. #720
    Quote Originally Posted by sarow View Post
    we had to stop development from most of our games
    except for the the fact that they haven't, slower maybe yes, but stopped no.

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