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  1. #201
    Logics of idiots:

    "Just admit Classic is terrible and not as good as you remembered."

    Dude, we want Classic+ because WE WANT MORE OF IT. When Phase 6 is done and Naxx is puggable, WE WANT MORE. That's how good classic is. Ofc people will add some changes they personally want. Most of it was asked for during all of vanilla (lowering the hybrid tax, making them more viable for PvE. Taunt for Paladins etc). But what Classic+ means is just more content, not changes.
    Last edited by Askyl; 2019-12-06 at 10:42 AM.

  2. #202
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuugumo View Post
    Also mentioning that Classic is not important while it doubled sub numbers and is rivaling retail in active players is laughable. Go check yourself.
    You've got something official from Blizzard to back this, yes?

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  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Logics of idiots:

    "Just admit Classic is terrible and not as good as you remembered."

    Dude, we want Classic+ because WE WANT MORE OF IT. When Phase 6 is done and Naxx is puggable, WE WANT MORE. That's how good classic is. Ofc people will add some changes they personally want. Most of it was asked for during all of vanilla (lowering the hybrid tax, making them more viable for PvE. Taunt for Paladins etc). But what Classic+ means is just more content, not changes.
    You want more.

    From developers you blame for ruining retail WoW.

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    You want more.

    From developers you blame for ruining retail WoW.
    You know, you have a point, but I do think that Retail has had changes that are irreversible at this stage. You cant take off Flying for example.
    Its better to try and fail with classic than to leave it to die.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuugumo View Post
    You know, you have a point, but I do think that Retail has had changes that are irreversible at this stage. You cant take off Flying for example.
    Its better to try and fail with classic than to leave it to die.
    Blizzard introduces the following:

    1.) New seasonal Classic realms that start over at Phase 1.
    2.) New TBC servers that you can freely copy over your level 60 character from
    3.) The option to keep your level 60 on the current realm until the end of time.
    4.) [Optional] Repeat the same idea for WotLK in 2 years.

    Everybody wins. Classic doesn't die and remains the museum piece it was intended to be. Nobody gets butthurt about "their" version of Classic+ being ignored. No development time is lost since they already have the framework for TBC/WotLK in place.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuugumo View Post
    You know, you have a point, but I do think that Retail has had changes that are irreversible at this stage. You cant take off Flying for example.
    Its better to try and fail with classic than to leave it to die.
    I get what you mean.
    But I also think that making TBC and WoTLK servers is possibly the best thing to do.
    It's difficult to see Blizzard making content to tack onto Classic while keeping it Classic, especially considering the change in technology and mentality at Blizzard.
    One thing to restore Classic, another to make new content altogether that fits into that game design frame from over a decade ago.

  7. #207
    I would be ok if they released some servers running bc pre patch (minus the ready access to PvP gear), so we would have access to the specs and unlimited debuff slots.

    I would be against if they did that to all the servers.

    For some people classic must be no changes and they are taking it super serious about doing naxx to the end, others just want to have fun and access to the old days gameplay.
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  8. #208
    the fact that so many people are crying about a possibly and likely(?) classic+ with flying, barber, paladin taunt, balance changes, harder content etc....

    ....is just a proof that classic+ will release and blizzard is smart enough to follow the majority.

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by d00mh4cker View Post
    the fact that so many people are crying about a possibly and likely(?) classic+ with flying, barber, paladin taunt, balance changes, harder content etc....

    ....is just a proof that classic+ will release and blizzard is smart enough to follow the majority.
    hold your breath until they announce it. should happen any day now right?...

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    In Vanilla High elves were part of the Alliance though, and Blood elves were actually neutral/Illidari.
    A Classic+ would build upon vanilla, not retcon it.

    Blood elves in the Horde never made sense, and was a forced thing back in TBC. The High elves in Vanilla are Alliance, and the High elves had very very bad blood with the Horde. Furthermore, the Blood elves actually being on Azeroth outside of a few individuals was a retcon, according to Vanilla lore, Quel'thalas had been almost entirely destroyed with it's entire population slain. Blood elves were in Outland with Illidan.
    So adding a playable race based 3 outpost in eastern kingdoms.... numberwise doesn't make anysense nor gameplaywise... starting zones, classes, racial leaders and capital.....

  11. #211
    NO

    No damn Classic+.
    Keep Classic, release TBC again after some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Logics of idiots:

    "Just admit Classic is terrible and not as good as you remembered."

    Dude, we want Classic+ because WE WANT MORE OF IT. When Phase 6 is done and Naxx is puggable, WE WANT MORE. That's how good classic is. Ofc people will add some changes they personally want. Most of it was asked for during all of vanilla (lowering the hybrid tax, making them more viable for PvE. Taunt for Paladins etc). But what Classic+ means is just more content, not changes.
    No. It doesn't. It means you want some changes in some regard. I want Classic+ to not be stupid broken with terrible and inefficient specs/classes, easing up the hybrid tax, and removing some of the stupid limitations that Vanilla originally had. Classic as it is now is a terribly designed game and it doesn't matter how many people enjoy it. People enjoy Spam more than lobster, that doesn't make Spam a magnificent aphrodisiac now. It just means people will have terrible taste buds regardless of what's put in front of them.
    "Why of course the people don't want war…. But, after all… it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by d00mh4cker View Post
    the fact that so many people are crying about a possibly and likely(?) classic+ with flying, barber, paladin taunt, balance changes, harder content etc....

    ....is just a proof that classic+ will release and blizzard is smart enough to follow the majority.
    Majority ? Couple ppl on forums/reddit xd ? Which are a tiny % of population of players

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    Quote Originally Posted by d00mh4cker View Post
    the fact that so many people are crying about a possibly and likely(?) classic+ with flying, barber, paladin taunt, balance changes, harder content etc....

    ....is just a proof that classic+ will release and blizzard is smart enough to follow the majority.
    What 'majority'?

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  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbleedinggums View Post
    No. It doesn't. It means you want some changes in some regard. I want Classic+ to not be stupid broken with terrible and inefficient specs/classes, easing up the hybrid tax, and removing some of the stupid limitations that Vanilla originally had. Classic as it is now is a terribly designed game and it doesn't matter how many people enjoy it. People enjoy Spam more than lobster, that doesn't make Spam a magnificent aphrodisiac now. It just means people will have terrible taste buds regardless of what's put in front of them.
    Hopefully when designing Classic+ Blizzard has enough sense to consult you, and you alone, to ensure the game is up to your indiscriminate standards.

  16. #216
    how is this thread still alive? everything OP asked for is not what classic (or classic+ for that matter stands for). same philosophy, just more content after naxx

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by d00mh4cker View Post
    the fact that so many people are crying about a possibly and likely(?) classic+ with flying, barber, paladin taunt, balance changes, harder content etc....

    ....is just a proof that classic+ will release and blizzard is smart enough to follow the majority.
    Dude just drop the rampant speculation already. There's no proof at all, and to be fair TBC is a LOT more likely for obvious reasons. The main one being it's the 'safe' option, easier to develop (most assets intact) with guaranteed returns.

    You think the classic player base is bigger than it really is. It's pretty niche, all things considered.

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Terongor View Post
    So adding a playable race based 3 outpost in eastern kingdoms.... numberwise doesn't make anysense nor gameplaywise... starting zones, classes, racial leaders and capital.....
    At the time you had the remains of an entire Kingdom as well, Quel'thalas.

    As you can see here in early plans Quel'thalas was clearly marked Alliance.

    Before TBC no one even considered remotely that they'd take an iconic Alliance race and give it to the Horde.
    It'd be like taking Ogres or Trolls and giving them to the Alliance. and in the game, High elf npcs were part of the Alliance and Blood elf npcs were neutral/hostile.

    And yes even in Vanilla you had the distinction, High elves had blue eyes, Blood elves had red eyes and wore red.


    As for starting zones, Vanilla had several races sharing starting zones. High elves would have started in Elwynn.
    Last edited by Gurluas; 2019-12-07 at 04:46 AM.

  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Roelath View Post
    Where is this Classic+?
    That's true there a differing opinions as to what is a problem with Classic WoW though the majority would confirm that certain Class/Specs were highly represented or not throughout Classic experience. There are a number of biases attributed to these specs. Balance, Ret, Feral, etc.. Obvious specs that were underperforming and/or were incredibly boring. You may say otherwise but, facts are facts. No one can deny they sucked ass.

    Another would be the honor system favoring time investment and not skill. If you dedicate your life for 8+ hours a day you'll achieve the higher ranks. It doesn't matter if you can 5vs1 R14s as a Boomkin if you can't commit to the same amount of hours.

    Releasing BC will only exacerbate the problems as I previously stated that retail suffers from. Content drought, World PvP being destroyed, old content being irrelevant, leveling experience is tedious, etc. I wanted Classic as a means to reset what's been done with the current version retail. I don't want to see a trend that leads right back to the problems retail faces today.

    What retail has offered thus far is simply building a city ontop of a city to fix the problem of bad infrastructure. The underlying core is messy and going back to fix the inherent problem becomes harder and harder. Introduce new features that are positive to the WoW atmosphere rather than releasing expansion content that sweeps the bad under the rug. I'm not saying we shouldn't release TBC or Wrath but, rather implement them in such a fashion that they can coexist alongside the Classic WoW content. It should be an alternative rather than a linear path to which content you should be doing.

    Retail releasing a level squish and giving the option to do all the dungeons from 10-50 from nearly all of the expansions is the ideal way of handling content. Choice is important and you shouldn't force a linear path in terms of gameplay. It was necessary for the time because the resources and capabilities weren't there. It's time to move forward with engaging a community into PvE & PvP activities rather than bandaiding a battlegroup system with BGs. Move towards alternative paths for people to experience rather than being stuck in the same experience.
    I'd like to point out that I see more fair and enjoyable WPvP experiences on Retail than Classic. On Classic (Incendius-Us Alliance) every max level zone is fully occupied by horde that camp every Alliance FP, heavily control BRM, and make it impossible to play the game.
    On Retail (Area 52-US Horde), skirmishes between Alliance and Horde in Newhome and Nazjatar are pretty common, fun to play, and very fair. It's usually a tug of war where we push to their camp, they to ours, etc.

    So, if you consider only fighting targets with no chance of fighting back WPvP, then, sure, Classic is better for it. But if you want the spirit of competition, I'm getting that more from Retail atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utrrabbit View Post
    Thats called..bfa

    Dont like classic. Play retail. All you mentioned is alreasy there.
    You know what else is also there? A bunch of things he didn't mention (because he doesn't want those). It's willfully ignorant to ignore all the others issues people have with retail because somebody wants to have pet-battling or something.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Roelath View Post
    it only continued the bad trend we see currently in retail.
    ...

    The same people in charge of the "bad trend" in current retail would be responsible for the changes you think they should make to Classic. So they'd make the changes, and then you and everyone like you would be here complaining about how they're "dumbing down" Classic because of "retail babies". You're all fucking insatiable, to the point where it's just grating. Your parents should have taught you the age old adage of "you get what you're given" so that you might finally be content with something.

    Fucking hell.

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