Classic+ YES PLEASE

[Relapses]

Is this your framework on how to kill off Classic? Stagnate and re-release the same content, then split the playerbase in 3 with expansions we've all played before that introduce the mistakes because of which most people desired classic in the first place.

Its difficult to keep the classic mentality, but it can be pulled off. It is a way better option than just forsaking classic and rereleasing known expansions which most people playing classic do not want to play.

Care to share with the class how you were bestowed the great gift of being able to speak on behalf of "most people playing Classic"? Moreover, this split you're referring to won't happen. It didn't happen with Classic and retail because you can still play both games. And it won't happen in Classic because... shock... you can still play both games. This insecure notion that Classic is going to fragment itself simply because other versions of the game exist is the exact reason many retail players were against Classic in the first place. Turns out, most players (hehe) are fairly agnostic about which version of WoW they're playing and it's only on forums like this that you find vocal minorities shouting at the top of their lungs what REAL WoW players want or don't want.

[Gurluas]

So you are using map which is dated in 1999 to prove your point? were ulduar was an entire continent and still the whole kingdoms remanants owed their loyalty to Kael as he was their prince and only member of sunstrider House and after what Garithos did to Kael and other alliance nations still kept supporting him it would make no sense for them ally with people who were ok in executing their monarch and huge amount of kin.

Garithos who led the remnants of the Alliance of Lordaeron did that.
The Alliance as a whole did not support his plans, furthermore, the presence of High elves in Theramore, Stormwind, Hinterlands, and Loch Modan shows they were welcome as part of the Alliance and definitely not slated to be executed.

Kael'thas had left and aligned with Illidan, The cultural split existed even back then.
Ofc it only got worse once an Alliance race was given to the very Horde who burnt down their forest, and who has the very Undead who ruined Quel'thalas aligned to it.

[Terongor]

Garithos who led the remnants of the Alliance of Lordaeron did that.
The Alliance as a whole did not support his plans, furthermore, the presence of High elves in Theramore, Stormwind, Hinterlands, and Loch Modan shows they were welcome as part of the Alliance and definitely not slated to be executed.

Kael'thas had left and aligned with Illidan, The cultural split existed even back then.
Ofc it only got worse once an Alliance race was given to the very Horde who burnt down their forest, and who has the very Undead who ruined Quel'thalas aligned to it.

We have sources point out Magni continued sending support for Garithos, Dalaran mages continued support for Garithos and heck even Stormwind nobles sending recourses.

Theramore most likely didn't know of garithoses actions outpost in loch modan and hinterlands weren'y even really active for that. eventhough they didn't do what Garithos did alliance nations still kept supporting Garithos. Also cultural split was in these 3 outpost mostly as not a major source of their population. most helfs and belfs still respected sunstrider family as their rightful monarchs as such as a nation it would make no sense for them to ally with the alliance as trying to execute the last member of your royal family is looked upon well

Well its not the same horde wc2 horde was Blackrock, black tooth grin, Stromreaver, twilights hammer, Dragonmaw, Amani, Bleeding hollow and death knights.

during classic clans which made the horde were Shattered hand, Frostwolfs, Warsongs and Blackrocks remnants from interment camps. As such clanwise differant and lets look at actually responsible individuals during rise of the horde most orcs were artificial made older by fel magic and lets look at two who were children then Maim and Rend blackhand other has died most likely old age and Rend is an old man in classic and lets look at an orc who proper adult during those times drek'thar and check his physical state in cata..... its most likely most blackrock orcs died of old age until vanilla who were responsible.

ps: if go by member count twilight hammer has more members inside alliance with their 2 of their 3 archbishops :P

oh oh and now you are saying mind controlled people are at fault classic alliance..... heck it would easier to blame than on alliance too with Arthas as he was the grown prince of alliance nation.

[Yuugumo]

Care to share with the class how you were bestowed the great gift of being able to speak on behalf of "most people playing Classic"? Moreover, this split you're referring to won't happen. It didn't happen with Classic and retail because you can still play both games. And it won't happen in Classic because... shock... you can still play both games. This insecure notion that Classic is going to fragment itself simply because other versions of the game exist is the exact reason many retail players were against Classic in the first place. Turns out, most players (hehe) are fairly agnostic about which version of WoW they're playing and it's only on forums like this that you find vocal minorities shouting at the top of their lungs what REAL WoW players want or don't want.

Have u been on retail servers lately?

[Kithelle]

The classic+ debate is proof that todays players will never be satisfied, we begged for vanilla servers, got them and now a minority of players want more, and thd only arguement to it is "well they changed some things in classic". Classic should stay classic, there shouldnt be any new expansion from classic if anything go to tbc and add in special npcs that seperate players from bc players and classic players if they dont want to go further.

If blizzard made a new expansion or began to change things then they would royally fuck things up. This is not the same blizzard from 2006 this is a corporation that will that only cares about numbers every quarter.

Just enjoy what we have because what we may get if they do decide to do classic+ is some mutated version of tbc with retail bs slapped on to ruin the game for everyone.

It's incredibly ironic, considering they don't want to play retail because they don't like how it turned out. Yet they want the same people who made retail what it is today to make classic+...

[Gurluas]

We have sources point out Magni continued sending support for Garithos, Dalaran mages continued support for Garithos and heck even Stormwind nobles sending recourses.

Theramore most likely didn't know of garithoses actions outpost in loch modan and hinterlands weren'y even really active for that. eventhough they didn't do what Garithos did alliance nations still kept supporting Garithos. Also cultural split was in these 3 outpost mostly as not a major source of their population. most helfs and belfs still respected sunstrider family as their rightful monarchs as such as a nation it would make no sense for them to ally with the alliance as trying to execute the last member of your royal family is looked upon well

Well its not the same horde wc2 horde was Blackrock, black tooth grin, Stromreaver, twilights hammer, Dragonmaw, Amani, Bleeding hollow and death knights.

during classic clans which made the horde were Shattered hand, Frostwolfs, Warsongs and Blackrocks remnants from interment camps. As such clanwise differant and lets look at actually responsible individuals during rise of the horde most orcs were artificial made older by fel magic and lets look at two who were children then Maim and Rend blackhand other has died most likely old age and Rend is an old man in classic and lets look at an orc who proper adult during those times drek'thar and check his physical state in cata..... its most likely most blackrock orcs died of old age until vanilla who were responsible.

ps: if go by member count twilight hammer has more members inside alliance with their 2 of their 3 archbishops :P

oh oh and now you are saying mind controlled people are at fault classic alliance..... heck it would easier to blame than on alliance too with Arthas as he was the grown prince of alliance nation.

First of all, many of those sources were written post TBC to justify the faction switch, second, even if we take them into account only Dalaran's mages would have known about Garithos's actions and racism...And considering their situation they had no choice but to support him cause without him and the Lordaeron remnant they'd be dead.

The Wc3 Horde is populated by LITERALLY the same Orcs the Second war Horde did, nor did they disavow the crimes or actions of the Old Horde, furthermore Garrosh and later Sylvanas practically brought the Wc2 Horde back, sure they left some members but they're still the same Orcs.

[Relapses]

Have u been on retail servers lately?

What is the point of asking a question like that? Any answer I give you is purely anecdotal and totally irrelevant to this conversation.

[HulkSmasher]

There is actually a Vanilla+ private server in beta right now (not gonna say the name of it). I may or may not have played on it. If I had, I'd probably say that their revamped talent trees are turning the crap specs in Classic into something that's actually fun to play. So yea, I'd fully support an official Classic+

[Polygons]

Classic is not meant to be balanced or enhanced for noobs

[Terongor]

First of all, many of those sources were written post TBC to justify the faction switch, second, even if we take them into account only Dalaran's mages would have known about Garithos's actions and racism...And considering their situation they had no choice but to support him cause without him and the Lordaeron remnant they'd be dead.

The Wc3 Horde is populated by LITERALLY the same Orcs the Second war Horde did, nor did they disavow the crimes or actions of the Old Horde, furthermore Garrosh and later Sylvanas practically brought the Wc2 Horde back, sure they left some members but they're still the same Orcs.

Few of them weren't as we see dwarves of bronzebeard support garithos and then gryphon riders are most likely wildhammer so they would know about and it would spread to aeria peak and other members of the alliance true them. Still its not an excuse heck many real world historical hatred have started because others supported a force because other choice would have being death.

Not really between wc2 and wc3 is 13 and between wc2 and wow classic is 15 years. and most orcs were forcible aged to adulthood and it was later on said during novels that many orcs remember being grown inside interment camp meaning its a huge amount of population. ALL Blacktooth grin joined Rend blackhand, All surviving dragonmaw during classic were with "dark horde" too. stormreaver is gone, Twilight hammer if we go by silithus is made of pretty much every race and yeah blackrock is there but even part of it joined with Rend.

also if we go by aging artificial aging of orchiss kind started in year -6 and classic happened 25 and they were forcible turned into adults for orcs it would be 13 so even those youngest ones who fought during wars would be 44 and taken how badly orcs were treated in interment, forced into gladiatorial battles and kirin tot´r doing test upon by all of those huge number would have still die who were of fighting age.

Also many members of blackrock orcs ran to dark portal and retreated to draenor after orgrim fell and huge number of them most likely died when draenor blew up. Also we only see by clans some real presence inside the horde from warsong, shattered hand and frostwolf which already has huge implications.

Well not really..... Garrosh maybe but sylvanas not really but are talking about wc2 and its manual horde, or warcraft 3 manual ce dvd version of wc2 horde, lord of the clans version wc2 horde or tides of darkness novel horde? as all of them have pretty huge differences and are pretty inconstant with each other.... As my point wc2 horde doesn't make sense from writting perspective if we go to wc3.

[avitush]

And yes even in Vanilla you had the distinction, High elves had blue eyes, Blood elves had red eyes and wore red.


As for starting zones, Vanilla had several races sharing starting zones. High elves would have started in Elwynn.

Man...high elves looked so bad in Classic. They looked like night elves with bad plastic surgery jobs.

[Unholyground]

TBC is pretty much a sure fire thing now and with the database conversion tool it will be a simple task, same with Wrath so those two will undoubtedly happen. Classic+ could happen but they would need to decide which of the 3 classic experiences would be best suited for a classic+ and my guess it will be based on whichever is played the most.

[Askyl]

You want more.

From developers you blame for ruining retail WoW.

We want more of the same, not new or changes. Or well, the dungeons and raids needs to be "new" but mostly it's just content that was planned for vanilla but thrown away because of time limits or pushed to future expansions. Most of us don't want changes, except for maybe a few balancing issues.

And you know what? Vanilla had THE MOST balance changes out of any version of the game, so making smaller balancing changes but keeping the philosophy that an MMO actually is an MMO, doesn't change anything really.

No. It doesn't. It means you want some changes in some regard. I want Classic+ to not be stupid broken with terrible and inefficient specs/classes, easing up the hybrid tax, and removing some of the stupid limitations that Vanilla originally had. Classic as it is now is a terribly designed game and it doesn't matter how many people enjoy it. People enjoy Spam more than lobster, that doesn't make Spam a magnificent aphrodisiac now. It just means people will have terrible taste buds regardless of what's put in front of them.

^ Read that reply.

[Ardourdan]

There's really no need for smart answers. Classic+ is additional tiers of content.

I don't think we will see it for at least 3 years. Too many people waited too long for official vanilla/classic servers.

[Mrbleedinggums]

We want more of the same, not new or changes. Or well, the dungeons and raids needs to be "new" but mostly it's just content that was planned for vanilla but thrown away because of time limits or pushed to future expansions. Most of us don't want changes, except for maybe a few balancing issues.

And you know what? Vanilla had THE MOST balance changes out of any version of the game, so making smaller balancing changes but keeping the philosophy that an MMO actually is an MMO, doesn't change anything really.



^ Read that reply.

"Balance changes" LOL good joke there. When half the specs are literally un-viable or unplayable and you try to say with a face as smug as our current administration saying that it's the best it's ever been, you lost all credibility.