Thread: Fire Mage 8.2.5

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    Fire Mage 8.2.5

    Hello,

    I have been away from the game since 8.2 launched. I am planning to come back to play my mage as Fire.

    And how do you explain the sudden surge in power of Fire mage? Before 8.2, it was kinda crap, while now it is topping the meter, and even before hitting the ilvl cap.

    How that is? Just with stats bloating? Or is it the essences by themselves?

    And how does it play? Everything is on the combustion's window like Arcane? Or is it more constant like frost?
    Last edited by Specialka; 2019-11-14 at 02:53 PM.

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    Lucid plus bracers. Honestly its kind of boring and im not looking forward to farming the bracers in m+ every week.

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    Which bracers are we talking about?

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    The bracers are nice but not mandatory. Also it’s not mythic+ but Mechagon.

    The reason for success is that most bosses align well with our 2 min burst timer as well as easier movement compared to frost and arcane.

    In short, the bracers enable insane burst with things ticking for over 100k per second
    Last edited by Parhelion; 2019-11-15 at 08:36 AM.

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    It was crap until we got the essence memory of lucid dreams.
    Thats when it became average mid-ladder spec.

    Then we got our Hyperthread wrist wraps. The synergy between tehse and lucid dreams essence is insane.

    So our spec got bumped up to top5 ladderteir.


    Slightly offtopic: Has any1 heard anything about mechagon m+ coming with next patch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphrel View Post


    Slightly offtopic: Has any1 heard anything about mechagon m+ coming with next patch?
    not heard anything, but it happend with kara, and i bet it will be split in two the same way.

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    It's basically a combination of very favourable things coming together, all of which synergise to push combustion into being the strongest dps raid cooldown in many useful scenarios.

    - lucid synergises amazingly with the spec
    - hyperthread synergises amazingly with lucid
    - font is a very strong onuse trinket, which by its design, also allows the use of a double-onuse trinket set up ....

    Basically everything just comes together beautifully to augment the specs biggest strength: combustion, and this is highly valued in current raid tier with its fight design and having several burst window type scenarios on key fights (eg ashvane shield down, azshara p3 adds, zaqul punctured darkness etc).

    Ignore the previous poster saying the wrists aren't mandatory.... They are if you want to be taken seriously. That's like saying walking isn't mandatory because you can crawl. Sure... But why the fuck would you?
    Last edited by TyrianFC; 2019-11-15 at 09:15 AM.

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    And where do you loot those bracers ? So, to min max, you need to raid but can you still deal good dps if you only do mm+ ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And where do you loot those bracers ? So, to min max, you need to raid but can you still deal good dps if you only do mm+ ?
    Last boss in mechagon. You don't even need it to titanforge or anything, as the effect doesn't change.

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    i wear the bracers at 415 ilvl on mythic raids. they are mandatory

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    You use them on CD or you line them up with combustion and rop ? And mechagon is a raid ? So one week lockout ?
    Last edited by Specialka; 2019-11-15 at 10:12 AM.

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    Ignore the previous poster saying the wrists aren't mandatory.... They are if you want to be taken seriously. That's like saying walking isn't mandatory because you can crawl. Sure... But why the fuck would you?
    Because you might not get them on the first or even fifth mechagon run. And the burst window just changes to adding one scorch and meteor into the window. Is it inferior? Yes. Should you work every week on getting the bracers? Yes. But they are not mandatory for the spec.

    Mandatory means not working without something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You use them on CD or you line them up with combustion and rop ? And mechagon is a raid ? So one week lockout ?
    Mechagons an epic dungeon ala what kara was in legion, they have plans to make it into a m+ next tier.

    The usage of the bracers is a little wierd to explain so I'd go to a proper guide for that, they reduce the cd of your last 3 spells so you wanna be reducing the cd of 2 fireblasts so can contiune combustion bursts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parhelion View Post
    The bracers are nice but not mandatory. Also it’s not mythic+ but Mechagon.

    The reason for success is that most bosses align well with our 2 min burst timer as well as easier movement compared to frost and arcane.

    In short, the bracers enable insane burst with things ticking for over 100k per second
    They are absolutely mandatory and m+ mechagon is in 8.3 just so you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parhelion View Post
    Because you might not get them on the first or even fifth mechagon run. And the burst window just changes to adding one scorch and meteor into the window. Is it inferior? Yes. Should you work every week on getting the bracers? Yes. But they are not mandatory for the spec.

    Mandatory means not working without something.
    Hyperthreads are mandatory for the 8.2.5 Fire mage. Stop spreading bullshit. Going by your logic... are you also going to tell us that Lucid is not mandatory either, because the spec 'works' without it? Where are you drawing the line - can Fireball be taken off bars and scorch used only, because the spec 'works' with just casting scorch too?

    For new mages wanting bracers now, keep in mind that (IIRC) final Mechagon boss has 3 items per-armor-type on his table, and always drops two of them each kill. (HM helm/punchcards/mounts etc are separate to his 2 other drops). Try to do 4-cloth-stacked group and you'll have a much better chance (1 in 3.... for 4 of the party members) that wrists will drop

    Best advice to OP is join the Mage discord, where you'll get access to better info and nobody in their right mind will troll you with crap like saying you dont need the bracers.
    Last edited by TyrianFC; 2019-11-16 at 12:34 AM.

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    Curious to see what Blizz will do with fire following BFA. Spec as a whole is held together by bandaids that will be gone after BFA, but maybe the covenant stuff will solve that, or Blizz will tweak fire a bit.

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    Okay thx for those inputs.

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    Ot guys but are fire mage hard to learn? Going range dps in 8.3 playing DH atm . how hard is it to get into fire mage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyrianFC View Post
    Best advice to OP is join the Mage discord, where you'll get access to better info and nobody in their right mind will troll you with crap like saying you dont need the bracers.
    You're clearly not realizing what you're saying to a person who is about to play his fire mage. Ideally, yes, he/she'll want the bracers, font of power, and many other things. In the meantime, the fire mage can still be played. And should be played, to get a feel for rotation, timings and everything else.
    I draw the line, as you put it, at everything that makes the spec playable. Not having the braces is not making it "unplayable", it just makes your DPS suffer.
    As with everything on the internets, you can probably run circles around my post, if you really want. All I'm trying to achieve is to nudge a person toward playing a firemage without advertising arbitrary limitations.

    Besides, everything we discuss here can already be read at icy veins, so...

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