The problem about Sylvanis is that the writers just retcon alot of events. Just look at medan or sargeras.
In Sylvanis's case it was that she made a deal with the jailer just after WotlK. That she was trying to break the machine of death and that she is a genius moustache curling villain. It just happend suddenly and that is why most people dont like her. There are ofcourse people who just like her for the sake of emo elf thing.
With sylvanis you dont know why she is doing things because she is full of contradictions, one moment she is calm and the other moment -when she hears the word hope- she becomes nuts.
Right now as I'm typing this, the only thing is certain about sylvanis's, she is emotional unstable and must be put down.
The whole problem was Blizzard changing chairs and writers. Take the new Star Wars series as an example of historical arc. It seems the focus now is to create a clever character, that schemed the whole plot of this expasion four expasions ago. You could see this on past with old team because they really had it in mind when writting (take as example here the Ulduar vitrals and the Sha two expasions after). This is one the reasons why we have SO MANY retcon now, especially with the Chronicles book, that make absolutelly no sense (Sylvannas told in the book that Voljin screw up her plans when he put her in a position of Warchief, and now "it was all planned all along"). Another example was Yriel, from a good character, with real potential, went full Holy Light Jihadist.
Blizzard is really lacking some good writters that can put up a good character and a good history, trying to make some old characters look way more smarter or cunning that they really are, just to play the "We palnned it all along" card.
Not judging Sylvanas itself (or the fact that many people still like her), because her concept was part of a common archetype that i myself like (The avenger one), but after Lich King death she kind lack of porpouse, and trying to find new porpouse to this character, new writters screwd her really good.
"There is a hole, in a more ancient part of the mmo-champion forum. A pit where men are thrown to be forgotten. But sometimes a troll rises from the darkness. Sometimes, the hole sends something back... to make some pointless comment"
The problem with Sylvanas is they had to make Anduin wage a righteous war on her.
Everything prior to BtS was better or worse, but was kinda nice character writing, but then they had to write her into lulevil because Anduin has to be the Messiah himself, thus has to battle Evil itself (right after wasting an entire expansion focused on precisely fighting Evil itself)
Except they retconned the entirety of a Cataclysm lore because it was kinda inconvenient that she gave any credit to her people's claims and identities, even if for entirely selfish reasons, a huge part of vanilla lore because they wanted to make her entire fault that living and dead cannot love each other instead of a two-sided logical mistrust cuestion, and even patches of recent lore where she admitted she wanted to fight till the bitter end at the Broken Shore and was about to leave her troops behind after retreating to save Varian if he didn't blew up.
It's clearly misanthropist. It implies both that Sylvanas only attractive is her body, based only in t he assumption of her having said body, and also degrades anyone who likes her making it all, as you said, a question about being horny or not.
It's funny if you ask me, how can a bunch of pixels bring out the worst of so many people and light it out.
No, it is saying that the only way you can like the character is for her body because she happens to be sexy. That is misogynist, saying you can only like a current main character for their boobs because she has them. It is also misandrist from another perspective as you say. It is offensive to everyone.
Maybe her character is fine, here ingame story writing certainly isn't.
How could the 4th war end with such a cheesy duel?
I mean i like some cheesy movies, but this kind of chessyness does not fit her cunning character at all.
I would accept if some allpowerful necromancer, or the Jailer himself just appears and kills saurfang instantly, but seeing her doing it with deus ex machina powers, just didn't do it for me.
I'd say the quality of those movies are great, but the screenwriting isn't. Its like watching GoT S8.
Nothing here is iconic, the guy that made her into a Banshee was iconic, too iconic to be alive, actually.(pun intended)
It was very much in sync with her earlier demonstrations of being emotionally extremly unstable and lashing out violently when someone calls her out on her flaws though.
Delaryn makes her remember, says she cannot kill hope -> Sylvanas goes nuclear and genocides the Nightelf race
Saurfang tells her she failed to kill hope -> Sylvanas goes nuclear and wipes Saurfang out
As for how it came to the duel?
Sylvanas was 100% sure she would win, which even without knowing of her Jailer-instant-death powers was obvious to anyone watching, so she decided to accept and torture the Old Soldier a bit for her personal amusement, there was no downside in it for her. Or so she thought in her immense arrogance.
Turns out Saurfang knew full well that he would die and instead of focussing on winning, he targeted her emotional vulnerability that he had seen on Darkshore. The result was spectacular: Sylavans went nuclear in full view of the Horde and Alliance and people finally saw her true face just before she ran away from her failure like the coward she is. Only the most blind and fanatic people would follow her after such a show.
Sylvanas might be able to outthink her enemies and make plans completely devoid of moral considerations, but her emotional instability is a great weakness and that is what the cinematic was supposed to show.
well theres wiping of tauren tribe in barrens just to do some archeology there, also i would arue that purge of dalaran was genocide (although i know most people disagree), and thats just what came to mind
also, Jaina wanting to level orgrimmar should be considered too, as she didnt just go "meh, i wont" but was stopped (and not by alliance) so if you think about it only difference between this and burning of teldrasil is that Sylva succeeded
Genocide requires a few more death then the 5 Belfs that died in Dalaran (for attacking a leading authority figure that only wanted to arrest them, mind you), but we have already learned that for most Horde people numbers mean nothing and any Horde life is worth 300000 Alliance ones, so I am not surprised you fail to see a difference.
Jaina was rash in her purge, nobody denies that, even Varian scolds her for it, but genocide? Please....
Also you should reread Tides of War. Jaina was stopped intially in her temporary madness, but she could and would have overpowered Thrall if she had not seen the truth of his and Kalecs words. It's not a matter of failing to achieve the destruction of Orgrimmar, she decided against it after she came back to her senses. Said temporary madness brought on by the destruction of her city and murder of several of her closest friends through the Horde, I might add. Besides this, Orgrimmar contrary to Theramore or Teldrassil is very much a military target.
Sylvanas succeded in throwing fireballs at a defenseless tree full of innocent civilians. Congratulations, what an achievment , be proud you helped. Not to mention that she had no real reason for it, besides torturing Delaryn and being annoyed by the word "hope".
ok, i see you only learned every information about purge from alliance player comments only
all sources put casualties as "heavy" and that purge was a "bloody affair" but sure, 5 belfs died...
and they didnt attack anyone, actualy shop owners were attacked by combined SI7 and silver covenant forces for not siding with them agains their neighbours...
alliance also killed or cripled their dragonhawks so they couldnt escape the purge...
as for the "only wanted to arrest them"... yeah, first of all there was zero reason to arrest them, investigation to find the SINGLE person who actualy did something would be reasonable, arresting innocents who have no clue WHY are being arrested and attacked is a bit too much... not to mention belfs do have a bit of experience with being "just arrested" by alliance - Garithos did it and sentenced ALL of them to execution - so why would they expect any different treatment?
for Jaina changing her mind... well if it wasnt for kalec and thrall she would do it so again, she was stopped, if saurfang or someone else didnt start to bitch AFTER the tree was already burning maybe sylva would too...
not saying that sylva was right to burn teldrasil or that it was an achievment, just saying its not like alliance "heroes" and leaders are any better... take greymane for example, and his attack in stormheim, attacking allies in times of war, without any provocation or reason (well, other than vengance) AGAINST direct orders, and that was absolutely ignored after he didnt even get scolded or what
also i noticed you didnt adress the genocide of taurens in barrens, i guess its better to ignore something you cant justify no matter how hard you try :P
EDIT: just for you info, according to geneva convention following also counts as genocide:
"Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;"
so basicaly in stormheim by smashing the lamp and freeing the Eyir greymane have commited genocide
Last edited by Lolites; 2019-12-11 at 01:56 PM.