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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Lol... how much money is Google paying you? And how would someone play destiny 2 during a commute?? Lol that would literally be unplayable. Train wifi and phone connection would be horrible. Also if they have a phone capable of playing destiny 2 through stadia and can afford the more expensive phone data plan with no caps and a 4K TV and why not just buy a console? Plus, you still have to shell out 130 bucks for the stadia.
    "Casuals will eat it up"

    -Casuals don't even know it exists
    -Casuals aren't gonna carry around a damn controller to attach to their phone

    It's literally the same cop out argument from 2 posters over and over again, and they're always wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    This seems more like a nice to have than a must have.
    Would be useless hardware if Stadia went the Google glasses direction.
    Everything is relative. If you play all the time at 100-150 ms latency, you won't notice it. If you swap back and forth between the two, then you will.
    You're talking about Plato's Cave, where people only know the cave and nothing beyond that. In this case, if we keep players around 150 ms then they won't desire less latency if they don't know it exists. Pretty sure everyone who's every played a game has done it on local hardware first.
    Your 150ms comment is flat out incorrect though. the Gamers Nexus video shows Thumper, Tomb Raider and Metro coming in sub 150 ms (on PC browser). Even on Crhomecast, they don't say it won't ever get better, they show that it was above 150 ms. They explicitly state they thing some things could be done on Google's end to
    Thumper was 80ms but that game also runs on smart phones. The more graphically intense the game is the more latency Stadia has. Tomb Raider had 120ms, which is still above 100ms but also not as graphically impressive as Metro Exodus which is 150ms
    Everyone does have phones, and that fact likely won't change anytime soon.
    Still lazy and still rushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    People who play games on their phones, who have no gaming PC (maybe just a laptop) or consoles. The majority of people - who will be able to play games like Destiny 2 while commuting to their office jobs and back home - on their phones... and then smoothly transition to their yuge 4k TVs at home.
    Anyone who wants to game on the go will get a Switch, not Stadia. If home Internet can't do Stadia well, a cell phone connection would be much worse. Also the difference in cost is small as a Switch Lite is now $200 while the Stadia starter pack is $130.
    Don't have an expensive gaming PC? Can't choose which gaming console to get? Don't bother! Just get this and play any game on any screen with an internet connection.
    Pretty sure we've confirmed Stadia is anything but an expensive gaming PC. Stadia is more like a Q6600 using a RX 480 in terms of graphics.
    PC/Console Gamers will say "ew, it's not gaming" but who cares what dinosaurs say?
    Dinosaurs and their reliable low latency gaming hardware. The future is in past tense.

  3. #263
    The Stadia claimed (wrongly by the sound of it) that games would run at 4K with 60 FPS.

    Is it even possible for an uber-powerful PC (RTX2080 in SLi and latest Intel/AMD processors overclocked) to do that? If not, then it's pretty dumb of Google to say the Stadia could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Would be useless hardware if Stadia went the Google glasses direction.
    I give it a couple months at most until someone makes a third party program that lets you control a PC with the stadia controller.
    It worked that way with the PS3 at least (and also PS4? But that might be officially supported, I don't know and don't care)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xorzor View Post
    The Stadia claimed (wrongly by the sound of it) that games would run at 4K with 60 FPS.

    Is it even possible for an uber-powerful PC (RTX2080 in SLi and latest Intel/AMD processors overclocked) to do that? If not, then it's pretty dumb of Google to say the Stadia could.
    A singular 2080ti and a pretty mediocre CPU can run games in 4k60.. At least the ones they're offering, especially at medium settings which is what people are reporting them to be running at.

    Resolution costs a lot of GPU power, not a lot of CPU

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Xorzor View Post
    The Stadia claimed (wrongly by the sound of it) that games would run at 4K with 60 FPS.

    Is it even possible for an uber-powerful PC (RTX2080 in SLi and latest Intel/AMD processors overclocked) to do that? If not, then it's pretty dumb of Google to say the Stadia could.
    Hardware can do it (but is somewhat expensive so Google doesn't want to fill datacenters with it) but the limitation is the internet.
    The bandwidth needed to send true 4k60fps video is monstrous, which is why Stadia doesn't do it.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  6. #266
    The whole 4k/60 thing is just complete idocy on google's part anyway. They should have sold the thing to half the generation of gamers that grew up with minecraft with sub-14-fps on their parents mobile iTrash device. Marketing it to gamers with decent hardware and promises of even better specs was just bound to fail them, not to mention the whole early adopter thing should have just been labeled beta in the first place. It clearly is not finished and they would have instantly deflected a ton of criticism with little to no effort.
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  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Lol... how much money is Google paying you? And how would someone play destiny 2 during a commute?? Lol that would literally be unplayable. Train wifi and phone connection would be horrible.
    That depends on location, but here's an interesting question for you to ponder: is the availability of decent Wi-Fi/4-5-6G coverage going to improve or degrade in the future? Google is definitely aiming at the future. So does Microsoft and Sony with their respective console->phone services. While everyone who shits on Google for Stadia can't see beyond tomorrow, or worse - today. The worst - right now. Must be edgy.
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Also if they have a phone capable of playing destiny 2 through stadia and can afford the more expensive phone data plan with no caps and a 4K TV and why not just buy a console? Plus, you still have to shell out 130 bucks for the stadia.
    What do you mean by a phone capable of playing Destiny 2 through Stadia? Any device that can stream Netflix/youtube - will do, like a cheap Xiomi.
    Can you play a console during the commute? Can you play any game on that console or only those that it got? Everyone has a TV at home. It might not be a 4K but it is not required anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post

    Anyone who wants to game on the go will get a Switch, not Stadia.
    Lol, nonsense. Only Nintendo fans will. A phone is 3-4 times smaller than switch and with greater battery life... Stadia is only streaming, while Switch does the computing. Completely unreliable on the go. You will have to carry extra batteries in a backpack. Such convenience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    If home Internet can't do Stadia well, a cell phone connection would be much worse.
    Home internet can do Stadia good enough for people who don't have a gaming PC or console. The target audience. Not you.
    And I don't know where you live, but in my city, I have a stable 4g coverage, free stable Wi-Fi in the subway, and no DATA CAPS.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Pretty sure we've confirmed Stadia is anything but an expensive gaming PC.
    It's not even a PC - it's a streaming service.
    All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is 2019 - that's two-zero-one-nine, as in the 21st Century - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xorzor View Post
    The Stadia claimed (wrongly by the sound of it) that games would run at 4K with 60 FPS.

    Is it even possible for an uber-powerful PC (RTX2080 in SLi and latest Intel/AMD processors overclocked) to do that? If not, then it's pretty dumb of Google to say the Stadia could.
    If you didn't use the RTX Ray-Tracing feature then it maybe possible on most games, but then again Ray-Tracing isn't a feature that Stadia could do. Newer games can't get 60 fps on a RTX 2080 Ti like Outer Worlds. Borderlands 3 is so bad that 40 fps on a RTX 2080 Ti is considered a challenge. If a $2k PC can't do it, then how is Stadia achieving it? The answer is they're faking it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    I give it a couple months at most until someone makes a third party program that lets you control a PC with the stadia controller.
    It worked that way with the PS3 at least (and also PS4? But that might be officially supported, I don't know and don't care)
    The controller has only a wifi interface which would make it hard to get it running on PC. The DualShock4 works as soon as you plug it in, though there are 3rd party tools to help you get the most out of the controller. Same goes for the DualShock3. The sad truth is that Google's Stadia uses Linux and instead of focusing on Cloud Gaming they could have ported their games to Linux, which is the true future of gaming. Linux is also the future of the PC. Nearly everything Google uses is running a derivative of Ubuntu/Debian, so they could have made a sort of SteamOS/SteamMachine type of setup without all of Valve's mistakes. They could have kept their Cloud Gaming service as an alternative choice, not as a daily driver for gaming.

  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    3 of the 22 games released in 2019.
    Gylt - 2019
    Just Dance - 2019
    Kine - 2019
    Mortal Kombat 11 - 2019
    Samurai Shodown - 2019
    Football MAanager 2020 - 2019
    Grid - 2019
    Metro Exodus - 2019
    NBA 2k20 - 2019
    Rage 2 - 2019
    Trials Rising - 2019
    Wolfenstein: Youngblood - 2019

    That seems like 3. Though I guess to a dishonest poster like yourself, that probably does.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    You're just always wrong I guess eh? Cause it has Samurai Showdown as an exclusive, which you can't play on PC in any other way.(and lmfao if anyone actually tries to play a fighting game on Stadia). GYLT is also an exclusive, a true exclusive even because unlike Samurai Showdown which is on PS4 as well GYLT is only on Stadia. Please google before you post dude, this makes about 300 times you have been wrong in this thread.
    You can't post honestly, can you? Did I say it didn't have exclusives? No. That's just you again, trying to either misrepresent what I say, or just blatantly lie about what I said. I said I don't want Stadia to have exclusives. Exclusives make business sense but are bad for the consumer.

    Feel free to respond all you want, but I'm done with you. Every response of yours has been either an outright lie, or a blatant misrepresentation of what I said. Get some integrity.

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Gylt - 2019
    Just Dance - 2019
    Kine - 2019
    Mortal Kombat 11 - 2019
    Samurai Shodown - 2019
    Football MAanager 2020 - 2019
    Grid - 2019
    Metro Exodus - 2019
    NBA 2k20 - 2019
    Rage 2 - 2019
    Trials Rising - 2019
    Wolfenstein: Youngblood - 2019

    That seems like 3. Though I guess to a dishonest poster like yourself, that probably does.




    You can't post honestly, can you? Did I say it didn't have exclusives? No. That's just you again, trying to either misrepresent what I say, or just blatantly lie about what I said. I said I don't want Stadia to have exclusives. Exclusives make business sense but are bad for the consumer.

    Feel free to respond all you want, but I'm done with you. Every response of yours has been either an outright lie, or a blatant misrepresentation of what I said. Get some integrity.
    I cant really imagine a producer of a game would willingly choose Stadia as an exclusive platform unless Stadia use it as a loss leader and spend a ridiculous amount of money.

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Every response of yours has been either an outright lie
    This is classic. From the guy that claimed Stadia had no exclusives, from the guy that claimed stadia had "great marketing".

    Also someone who thinks exclusives are bad for the industry sounds like someone who plays shit games amigo. Most of the best games every year are exclusives in one way or another and that's not a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    I cant really imagine a producer of a game would willingly choose Stadia as an exclusive platform unless Stadia use it as a loss leader and spend a ridiculous amount of money.
    I mean, there is a reason only 2 tiny games are exclusives for it. Likely only timed exclusives at that. No serious developer would ever throw their game exclusively on stadia, just a few looking for a quick pay check. Google is likely paying far less then even Epic does for them judging by their 2 exclusives lmao.

    And unlike MS/Sony/Nintendo google doesn't actually own a bunch of game studios so...

  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post

    Everyone does have phones, and that fact likely won't change anytime soon
    I don’t have a phone, so not everyone have a phone.
    The majority of people who play on their phone ain’t gonna keep a controller around to play a game for maybe 5-10 min intervals while they out and about. They pick simple games like that fishing game or candy crush saga.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Would be useless hardware if Stadia went the Google glasses direction.
    Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean stop offering the service, then yes. But then that's the case with any other product or service that gets cancelled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    You're talking about Plato's Cave, where people only know the cave and nothing beyond that. In this case, if we keep players around 150 ms then they won't desire less latency if they don't know it exists. Pretty sure everyone who's every played a game has done it on local hardware first.
    It's not a question of desire, or knowing if something better exists. I travel a lot for work, and as such often play a lot of games on sub-optimal hardware (my laptop) on sub-optimal wifi (hotel or worse) then compared to my home PC and hardwired internet. I may notice it the first time I play a game. If I haven't played the game in a while, or after a while playing the game, I don't notice it. You adjust and it becomes the new normal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Thumper was 80ms but that game also runs on smart phones. The more graphically intense the game is the more latency Stadia has. Tomb Raider had 120ms, which is still above 100ms but also not as graphically impressive as Metro Exodus which is 150ms
    All of which, are still easily playable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean stop offering the service, then yes. But then that's the case with any other product or service that gets cancelled.
    If the PS4 and Xbox One were to just stop working, their gamepads would work fine on PC. Can't say the same for Stadia's gamepad.

    It's not a question of desire, or knowing if something better exists. I travel a lot for work, and as such often play a lot of games on sub-optimal hardware (my laptop) on sub-optimal wifi (hotel or worse) then compared to my home PC and hardwired internet. I may notice it the first time I play a game. If I haven't played the game in a while, or after a while playing the game, I don't notice it. You adjust and it becomes the new normal.
    So you're going to play Stadia on your sub-optimal hotel wifi? Keep in mind that Gamers Nexus latency test was done in ideal conditions, not realistic ones. They have a Google Fiber connection using Ethernet to a low latency TV with gamemode enabled. Assuming you're still using your laptops sub-optimal wifi at a hotel, then your experience is going to be worse than 150ms. If you bring along that ChromeCast Ultra, then expect nearly a half second delay or worse.

    All of which, are still easily playable.
    Depends how much you hate yourself. If we were to play online against each other with me on my PC then I'll get that Stadia gamepad Rage broken in 30 minutes. Even if you had the best internet in your area, the connection isn't always consistent which means you'll get lag spikes. Unlike Netflix which buffers the data, cloud gaming services can't buffer anything, which means you will experience lag spikes. I'd like to see how long it'll take Google to allow Stadia players to play against PC or console users. I'm guessing never, unless it's under Google's terms.

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    There comes a time when one must realize that the only thing that prevents people from understanding the exact nature of a role perception plays in the things they complain about - is perception itself. It's a lost cause.
    All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is 2019 - that's two-zero-one-nine, as in the 21st Century - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    There comes a time when one must realize that the only thing that prevents people from understanding the exact nature of a role perception plays in the things they complain about - is perception itself. It's a lost cause.
    If anyone is a lost cause it's you. You don't understand reality. You are stuck in the theoretical and the future 10 years from now. Sure, it might be good in the future, but it's a terrible investment NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    The controller has only a wifi interface which would make it hard to get it running on PC. The DualShock4 works as soon as you plug it in, though there are 3rd party tools to help you get the most out of the controller. Same goes for the DualShock3. The sad truth is that Google's Stadia uses Linux and instead of focusing on Cloud Gaming they could have ported their games to Linux, which is the true future of gaming. Linux is also the future of the PC. Nearly everything Google uses is running a derivative of Ubuntu/Debian, so they could have made a sort of SteamOS/SteamMachine type of setup without all of Valve's mistakes. They could have kept their Cloud Gaming service as an alternative choice, not as a daily driver for gaming.
    Doesn't it have a USB port or something? Thought you could plug it directly into your phone.

    I agree with you that we're probably heading towards a Linux-run world, but it'll take a while. The general user idea of linux is still that it's, you know.. "hardcore" and stuff. That'll have to change, as will company support for Linux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    There comes a time when one must realize that the only thing that prevents people from understanding the exact nature of a role perception plays in the things they complain about - is perception itself. It's a lost cause.
    Or everytime some random company tries to come into the industry with some dumb gimmick it fails every single time. Ngage, onlive, phantom, zodiac, gizmondo, ouya and now stadia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    If you didn't use the RTX Ray-Tracing feature then it maybe possible on most games, but then again Ray-Tracing isn't a feature that Stadia could do. Newer games can't get 60 fps on a RTX 2080 Ti like Outer Worlds. Borderlands 3 is so bad that 40 fps on a RTX 2080 Ti is considered a challenge. If a $2k PC can't do it, then how is Stadia achieving it? The answer is they're faking it.

    The controller has only a wifi interface which would make it hard to get it running on PC. The DualShock4 works as soon as you plug it in, though there are 3rd party tools to help you get the most out of the controller. Same goes for the DualShock3. The sad truth is that Google's Stadia uses Linux and instead of focusing on Cloud Gaming they could have ported their games to Linux, which is the true future of gaming. Linux is also the future of the PC. Nearly everything Google uses is running a derivative of Ubuntu/Debian, so they could have made a sort of SteamOS/SteamMachine type of setup without all of Valve's mistakes. They could have kept their Cloud Gaming service as an alternative choice, not as a daily driver for gaming.
    Yeah, no kidding. Stadia uses a 2.7 (yes 2.7) GHz Intel CPU, with a Vega GPU. The GPU is a little bit better than the 2060, but not much. Yeah. Their marketing was outright lies, there needs to be a class action over it. I mean, I don't care because I wasn't going to buy into that trash. And I also don't watch ads of any kind and haven't owned a TV for over 20 years, so I didn't see the ads. Until I saw them on Youtube from people covering them. Google needs to be slapped down hard, if they are able to get away with false advertising of the magnitude that they did for Stadia, then it will open the floodgates.

    MY PC is more powerful than what Stadia can deliver. Significantly. And I can run games, instead of having to have a video of the game with compression artifacting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    This is classic. From the guy that claimed Stadia had no exclusives, from the guy that claimed stadia had "great marketing".
    Please cite where I stated that. Please. Oh wait, I didn't because you're a liar. Saying "I don't want Stadia to have exclusives" is not the same as "Stadia doesn't have exclusives". But shitposters gonna shitpost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Also someone who thinks exclusives are bad for the industry sounds like someone who plays shit games amigo. Most of the best games every year are exclusives in one way or another and that's not a coincidence.
    Good for the business, bad for the consumer. They are good games because they are good games, not because they are exclusive. I wouldn't expect you to understand that, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustedsaint View Post
    I don’t have a phone, so not everyone have a phone.
    The majority of people who play on their phone ain’t gonna keep a controller around to play a game for maybe 5-10 min intervals while they out and about. They pick simple games like that fishing game or candy crush saga.
    You would be in the minority, and not the target market.

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