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  1. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Im neither a Blizzard shill or a Blizzard hater.
    If you follow my posts i CONSTANTLY either support Blizzard or am against them. Every single day, back and forth.

    You will not find in my post history a 100% rate in either "hate" or "shill"

    I make my own opinion on every single case, every single time.

    This is supposed to be a charity. Its a sacred thing, its supposed to be beautiful, IMO there is no need to ruin something beautiful.
    I understand it probably wont reach the cap and im only nitpicking...but if thats the case...more reason for the cap to not exist.
    Man, I hate to be the one to break it to you but there's nothing overtly "sacred" about charities. The Susan G Komen Foundation comes to mind, though it is hardly the only nor is it the worst offender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    What the hell kind of position are you having on this?



    Incorrect, if the limit is met, my money goes to Blizzard.



    I dont want it to be "cool".
    A charity is a charity, ALL money should go to the charities. WHY have the cap of 3 million? I simply dont understand!
    Am i crazy? Why have a cap?
    If you dont want to buy because you are terrified that your money might end up in Blizzard's pocket then dont buy. It really is that simple lad. Not for me to say if you are 'crazy'. Cap exists for reasons, want to know those reasons, maybe you should make the effort to contact Blizzard corporate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Your sense of morality and professionalism is all over the place....IMO

    Its a cha-ri-ty- A charity.
    You understand that it is a charity.

    The "giver" wants his/her money to go to a charity.

    By implementing a "cap" you create doubt and uncertainty...on a friggin charity, to the consumer.
    There is already an end date of the charity (Dec 31), so why have on TOP of that a cap that makes the rest of the money to go to Blizzard?
    Why do you say on your post "not everything has to be for all eternity"? WHen the charity ends on Dec 31?

    All im saying is that it makes no sense, its unprofessional...and its debatable if is even more than that.
    Squeaking incessantly that its wrong and 'unprofessional' while being so lazy you expect Blizzard hand deliver your money to the charity is pretty rich. Take the initiative and go give your money directly to the charity. There is absolutely nothing that is stopping you from doing that, you do realize this, dont you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    If Blizzard made 6 million dollars on this charity, how would you react?

    Simple as that. Try to use morality and professionalism on this example.
    You gave money to Blizzard, once it leaves your hands it is no longer 'your' money, its Blizzard's money. What they chose to do with it really and truly up to them. You no longer have a say. period. It's crystal clear that you dont care about the charity, otherwise you would give your money directly to them, yet its clear you DO care about bashing Blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Ok, we have different opinions then.

    just for my exiting thoughts.
    The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) is UK's regulator of advertising. They apply the Ad Codes, written by the Committees of Advertising Practice (CAP)
    And in their "Charity Section" they say this:


    https://www.asa.org.uk/news/four-top...vertising.html

    And Blizzard says on their first sentence:


    Only to give the full information on an asterisks about the "cap"

    Dubious...IMO
    Blizzard made it clear what the limits were... nothing 'dubious' about their actions... however, your actions and motivations, are dubious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    ...

    You are calling me "unreasonable" for wanting every single person on planet earth who donates to this charity to make sure his/her money is going to the actual charity and not for Blizzard.

    Ok then

    In my eyes is "unreasonable" on Dec 30 a person feeling doubt and uncertainty if his/her money is going to the kids or for Blizzard.

    Im just a hater...
    There is no use rholrle...our realities are different and our brains think in different ways...

    This doubt and uncertainty is unnecessary...and has the potential to actually hurt the charity.
    Oh please, there is no universe in which a 3 million dollar donation harms that charity... none.... You rant and howl about wanting to make sure that the money is going to the charity and not Blizzard... the solution is tragically easy... give the money to the charity and not to Blizzard... How hard is that for you to grasp?

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    I have no problems with the store. I don't mind if BLIZ wants to offer a few extra mounts, or glamour items for additional cost if it helps fund the game. I haven't bought any of them myself but I was in favor of them adding buyable cosmetics into D3 if it would help renew interest in working on the game via causing it to generate a new income source. I might even buy a pair of wings or something if they did do that and there was a pair I liked. Prices in the store are a bit steep though, I'd more take offense with the pricing than the store itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    I'm talking about utter crap like:
    -store mounts
    -character boosts
    -"get this now before it's too late and we arbitrarily remove it"
    -purchasable cosmetics
    -whale targeting
    -cute fox people

    I mean yeah sure it allows Activi$$ion Bill$$ard to rake in more money but it damages the integrity of the game. You'd expect to see crap like this in games like League of Legends and all of those billions of mobile "clash of clashes" clones. Not a monthly-sub based game like WoW.

    Listen up, Kotick. If you want to suck $$$ out of your hapless victims then by all means do so but do it in a separate mobile game that is clearly designed to bleed the whales dry. Leave WoW alone and let us have our fantasy RPG.
    So many people don’t understand this. I’m going to explain.

    Your sub is still $14.99. That has never changed. But everything else has gone up in price, so it costs developers more money to keep the persistent online games running.

    We all know that WoW peaked in Wrath. The amount of servers never decreased, but the amount of players has. And people who have been there a long time are getting paid more and more because of the annual bonus most corporate employees should get. So where does that money come from?

    They needed to add an extra source of revenue to keep our beloved game afloat. If it wasn’t for the cash shop and paid services, Blizzard would be even more garbage than some people think it is right now. Or, it would be dead.

    Ever wonder why when you go to a movie nowadays, there are a jillion more effing commercials before the movie? And I don’t mean previews, I mean ten minutes of gatorade commercials and shit like that. Why? Well my movie ticket is still $10. Yet my seats now recline and have a table that swivels in front of me. The concession stand now offers full fledged meals instead of just popcorn. All this shit costs money, and the extra revenue from the commercials helps offset the price so it doesn’t fall on the consumer.

    I am right there with you to bitch and yell about corporatocracy bullshit and the fall of humanity for the all mighty dollar. But if you want to continue with your fun distractions like video games and movies, you have to accept that this is better, not worse, for you.

    Times have changed. Either adapt or move on, but don’t come here complaining about a working system. I’d like to keep playing WoW, tyvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiral Mage View Post
    I have no problems with the store. I don't mind if BLIZ wants to offer a few extra mounts, or glamour items for additional cost if it helps fund the game. I haven't bought any of them myself but I was in favor of them adding buyable cosmetics into D3 if it would help renew interest in working on the game via causing it to generate a new income source. I might even buy a pair of wings or something if they did do that and there was a pair I liked. Prices in the store are a bit steep though, I'd more take offense with the pricing than the store itself.
    I agree with the last sentence. I’d buy a ton more race changes if the cost was $10. Hell they can keep the name change separate. FF14 race change is $10 and I do that shit weekly.

  5. #465
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Double false.
    1) The information is on an asterisk and not in the original sentence of the advertisement
    2) The "consumer" has zero idea if at this point he is giving Blizzard money OR the charity



    Im not "just hating" i think, IMO, is dubious, when the COSUMER has no idea where the money is going at this point.
    Unless they have a counter...like this site:

    https://teamtrees.org/
    none of their previous charity pet came even closer to 3m, so if you buy the sheep in december it goes to the charity, unless this ugly pet is best selling charity pet they ever make, in which case the charities still get 3m...

  6. #466
    For more money? Kinda obvious is it not.

    Companies nowdays don't care about integrity, reputation, Opinions of the games population etc etc, They don't make a good game for the players to enjoy. They make a game to make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkagenRora View Post
    For more money? Kinda obvious is it not.

    They make a game to make money.
    This is and has always been the case... Anyone that tells you a game company doesn't care about money is lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seranthor View Post
    This is and has always been the case... Anyone that tells you a game company doesn't care about money is lying.
    Yeah, but back in the good ol' days they diden't care to nickle and dime everyone for every single penny.. But then they realised that they could get away with ingame stores in the games then they just started to add em every where.. even in single player games.. Makes me sad

  9. #469
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    I'm talking about utter crap like:
    -store mounts
    -character boosts
    -"get this now before it's too late and we arbitrarily remove it"
    -purchasable cosmetics
    -whale targeting
    -cute fox people
    Store mounts are purchasable cosmetics.

    Frankly, I don't see the problem with cosmetic shops.

    Think of it this way. People are paying for cosmetic mounts so developers can expand patch features for your sake. it's a win-win for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkagenRora View Post
    Yeah, but back in the good ol' days they diden't care to nickle and dime everyone for every single penny.. But then they realised that they could get away with ingame stores in the games then they just started to add em every where.. even in single player games.. Makes me sad
    Paid character services, TCG loot cards, books, apparel, Collectors editions, Recruit a friend. Yep sure. Back in those good old days when there was no easy scapegoat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkagenRora View Post
    Yeah, but back in the good ol' days they diden't care to nickle and dime everyone for every single penny.. But then they realised that they could get away with ingame stores in the games then they just started to add em every where.. even in single player games.. Makes me sad
    yea, back in the good old days nickels were made of wood too. And you also had to live with your choices or re-roll... dont like your server? re-roll... dont like your race? re-roll... Dont like how your character looks? re-roll...

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  12. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaHandsB View Post
    Blizz has to please stockholders which means they need to show consistent revenue growth. All sub based games lose subs over time so in order to show consistent growth, they employ methods such as the digital shop.
    This again. I really don't think ATVI shareholders (majority being institutional investors) care about the sale of a Alpaca mount, the cash shop, WoW or even Blizzard as a ATVI business unit.

    They care about the overall health of the company (ATVI) overall trend of the market (tech stock) and if they actually ever look at the details, they'll be staring at ATVI's biggest cash cow: Candy Crush (order of magnitude larger than all Blizzard products together).

    I have ATVI stock - through my pension plan. When I look at how my pension funds are performing, I don't really care about WoW cash shop. Blizzard doesn't have to please stockholders. You can't even hold Blizzard stock.

  13. #473
    Because the sheep are willing to get shorn, and subscribers are willing to fork over even more money.

  14. #474
    Quote Originally Posted by SkagenRora View Post
    For more money? Kinda obvious is it not.

    Companies nowdays don't care about integrity, reputation, Opinions of the games population etc etc, They don't make a good game for the players to enjoy. They make a game to make money.
    Ever thought that the money they make from the shop gets rotated back to developing content? I don't see blizzard going to strip clubs throwing money they made from the shop at them.

    Frankly, I see no moral issue with cosmetic shops (i said cosmetics) and it's an extra bonus. some people like them, some don't. there are no losers here.

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