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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Would you be so keen to excuse and defend racism if what aimed at another minority other than the Jewish people?
    They’re talking about the Israeli government, not Jewish people.

    Reminder that the Tories kicked out were literally denying the Holocaust. And that the EDL and other openly antisemitic groups are actually backing Boris, not Corbyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Would you be so keen to excuse and defend racism if what aimed at another minority other than the Jewish people?
    People easily accuse me of being a SJW when racism is being discussed, so it is a moot question.

    I however do my research on many subjects:

    Why is Labour being accused of anti-semitism?
    1. Corbyn once many years ago liked a mural depicting wealthy people playing monopoly, according to some those wealthy people depicted jews. (Dubious claim)
    2. Labour made some statements denouncing the treatment of the Palestinian people by Israel (Nothing wrong with denouncing Israel, most of the western world does it).
    3. Exactly less than 0,1% of the appointed politicians of Labour were accused of antisemitism at some point. (There are more jews within jewish communities who are accused of anti-semitism than 0,1% (usually also those who show pacifism towards Palestina))

    Everything about this screams pearl clutching, fake concern trolling and making a mountain out of a molehill.
    In short: Fake nonsense.
    Last edited by Rochana; 2019-11-27 at 06:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    People easily accuse me of being a SJW when racism is being discussed, so it is a moot question.

    I however do my research on many subjects:

    Why is Labour being accused of anti-semitism?
    1. Corbyn once many years ago liked a mural depicting wealthy people playing monopoly, according to some those wealthy people depicted jews.
    2. Labour made some statements denouncing the treatment of the Palestinian people by Israel
    3. Exactly less than 0,1% of the appointed politicians of Labour were accused of antisemitism at some point.

    Everything about this screams pearl clutching, fake concern trolling and making a mountain out of a molehill.
    In short: Fake nonsense.
    And the people that have been expelled from the party with evidence.

    And the investigation from the equality commissions in which over 100 people have so far given evidence.

    If you want to say you do your reasurch, do it. Any one who has knows this is a bigger issue and that's why it's gets treated as a big issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    It does not work when you make false claims about it, sorry bud.
    So the equality and human rights commission, the 100+ witnesses that hae given evidence so far, the members allready expelled over it.

    All imaginary then?


    One good thing I guess that's come out of all of this, brexit and everything, is we can now see who stands by the principles of the left and who simply follows a party. Its clear as day the only parties standing up for Liberalism and the tollarance and globalism it stands for are the greens and lib Dems
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    And the people that have been expelled from the party with evidence.

    And the investigation from the equality commissions in which over 100 people hae so far given evidence.

    If you want to say you do your reasurch, do it. Any one who has knows this is a bigger issue and that's why it's gets treated as a big issues.

    Here you go, some reading material for you:

    Howard leadership (2002–2005)
    Parliamentary level
    Antisemitism on the frontbench
    In October 2004, a Conservative frontbencher said, "The trouble is that the [Conservative] party is being run by Michael Howard, Maurice Saatchi, and Oliver Letwin - and none of them really knows what it is to be English".[111] Another report said 'a junior frontbencher ... was musing about how the party was now being led. Saatchi, Michael Howard and Oliver Letwin were in charge: could they know how Englishmen felt?'[112]

    Cameron leadership (2005–2016)
    Parliamentary level
    Membership of European Conservatives and Reformists
    In 2009, prominent Jewish community leaders – including chief rabbi of Poland Michael Schudrich, Rafal Pankowski of the Holocaust campaign group "Never Again", Rabbi Barry Marcus of the London Central Synagogue, the Parisian European Jewish Congress and others – expressed concern over Conservative Party membership of the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) group, to which the Conservative MEPs belonged.[113] The chair of the group was Michał Kamiński of Poland's Law and Justice party, who was, in the words of a New Statesman writer, "widely seen on the Continent as anti-Semitic".[113] Kaminski is a former member of the neo-Nazi National Revival of Poland party (NOP).[113] Another leading ECR activist, Dr Roberts Zīle of Latvia's National Alliance party, caused concern due to his party's alleged role in commemorative events for Latvian Waffen SS units.[114] The Conservative Party's "alliances with far-right, anti-semitic political parties on the continent" had become a concern for US politicians.[115]

    Burley's Nazi-themed stag do
    In 2012, Conservative MP Aidan Burley was sacked from his role as ministerial aide because he organised a Nazi-themed stag do in 2011.[116][114][117] Burley supplied an SS uniform and insignia to the groom, who was fined £1,500 by a French court for wearing the costume and ordered to pay €1,000 to an organisation representing families of those who had been sent to death camps during World War Two.[116] A Conservative Party report on Burley's behaviour, authored by Conservative peer Lord Gold, released in 2014 said Burley was not racist or antisemitic but that he had acted in a 'stupid and offensive way'.[116] Ian Austin[116] and The Mail on Sunday accused Burley of providing misleading information to the inquiry.[118] Prime Minister David Cameron and the Conservative leadership stood in support of Burley.[116]

    Cameron and the use of 'yid'
    During a 2013 row over Tottenham Hotspur fans' use of the slurs Yid and Yiddos, David Cameron defended the fans' use of the words, saying Spurs fans should not be prosecuted for using them.[119][120] This was in opposition to newly released guidelines from the Football Association and contrary to the Crown Prosecution Service's and the Metropolitan Police's use and defence of the Public Order Act 1986.[119] Journalist Stefan Fatsis wrote that Cameron was giving an excuse for people to 'propagat[e] racial and ethnic slurs and stereotypes'[121] and Cameron was criticised by lawyer Peter Herbert for condoning and legitimising antisemitism.[119][120] In the following year, the Metropolitan Police stated that Tottenham fans would not be arrested for chanting the word, unless a complaint was received.[122]

    Rees-Mogg and the Traditional Britain Group
    In 2013, Jacob Rees-Mogg was guest-of-honour[123] and gave the keynote speech at a dinner of the racist Traditional Britain Group (TBG).[124] The Antisemitism Policy Trust highlighted Rees-Mogg's attendance at this party in their Antisemitism and the Conservative Party dossier.[114] Before the dinner date, the anti-fascist magazine Searchlight contacted Rees-Mogg 'to try to dissuade him from speaking at the dinner', but it was 'to no avail'.[123] At the time, the vice-president of the group, who sat next to Rees-Mogg at the dinner, was Gregory Lauder-Frost (TBG founder[125]), formerly political secretary of the Conservative Monday Club (when Lauder-Frost was a member, the Monday Club was 'a pressure group within the Tory party' - it was 'later banned by Iain Duncan Smith [in 2001] because of its views on race'[126]).[124] Speaking to an undercover Hope Not Hate researcher in 2017 about Vanessa Feltz, Lauder-Frost said, 'She's a fat Jewish s**g, she's revolting, revolting. She lives with a negro. She's horrible'.[124] At the time Rees-Mogg spoke at the dinner, the TBG's President was Merlin Hanbury-Tracy (Lord Sudeley), a member of the Conservative Party, a Conservative peer, and former chairman of the Conservative Monday Club.[123]

    Mercer's 'bloody Jew' comment
    In May 2014, Conservative MP Patrick Mercer was recorded by journalist Daniel Foggo saying, during the course of an anecdote, that an Israeli soldier looked like a "bloody Jew".[127] Mercer stepped down as MP after an investigation and report by the House of Commons standards committee into his links to lobbying and paid advocacy.[127]

    Bridgen's "Jewish lobby"
    In October 2014, Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen said, in a speech in the House of Commons, that "the political system of the world's superpower and our great ally the United States is very susceptible to well-funded powerful lobbying groups and the power of the Jewish lobby in America".[128] Following condemnation by organisations, Bridgen stood by his remarks.[114]

    Attacks on Ed Miliband
    Conservative attacks on the Labour leader Ed Miliband in 2014[129] and 2015[130][131] have been criticised as coded antisemitism. Francis Beckett claimed that some attacks on Ed Miliband and his father, the academic Ralph Miliband, were antisemitic. Beckett concluded that "we have been conned into believing that anti-Semitism is now a disease of the left. In reality, it is still found mostly in racism's historic home: on the right."[132]

    Richard Fuller's "30 pieces of silver" comment
    After BHS, the department store chain owned by Philip Green, when into administration in April 2016 and was sold for £1, Richard Fuller said, "If the sale was done on the understanding that it was avoiding responsibility for those pension losses, then the £1 received was the equivalent to 30 pieces of silver in his betrayal of the employees and pensioners at BHS".[133] The phrase "[[30 pieces of silver" was 'a reference to the price Judas received for betraying Jesus' and it was regarded as an antisemitic comment.[114]

    Local level
    Attacks on Ed Miliband
    In April 2015 a Conservative local council candidate was suspended for saying she could never support "the Jew" Ed Miliband.[134]

    Grassroots level
    Allegation of antisemitic song in OUCA
    In 2011, one officer of the Oxford University Conservative Association (OUCA) stated that some association members at weekly meetings sang a Nazi-themed song that included the lines 'Dashing through the Reich / killing lots of Kike'.[106]

    Allegations of antisemitism in UCL Conservative Society
    In October 2014 UCL Conservative Society was ordered by UCL's Student Union to apologise for creating a "toxic environment" in which discrimination, including antisemitism, was the culture. One accusation was that a member of the society said, "Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough".[135][136] The society denied the accusations.[135]

    May leadership (2016–2019)
    Parliamentary level
    Theresa May and a former aide
    At the Conservative Party Conference in October 2016, Theresa May said, "If you believe you are a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere". Leader of the Liberal Democrats Vince Cable and Jewish journalist Benjamin Ramm saw similarities between the language used by May and that of Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, as well as Joseph Stalin's anti-"rootless cosmopolitan" campaign against Jews in the Soviet Union.[137][138]

    In February 2018, May's former aide, Nick Timothy, co-wrote a story for The Daily Telegraph which described Jewish philanthropist George Soros's funding of the anti-Brexit campaign as a "secret plot".[139][140] This was criticised as antisemitic by journalists Hugo Rifkind and Dan Hodges, as well as former campaign director to Tony Blair Alastair Campbell, and American-British author and playwright Bonnie Greer.[139][140] In response, Timothy tweeted: "Throughout my career I've campaigned against antisemitism, helped secure more funding for security at synagogues and Jewish schools".[139]

    Boris Johnson
    In January 2017, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson met with Steve Bannon, who was at the time Donald Trump's chief strategist. Johnson was accused by the Jewish Labour Movement chair of hypocrisy for meeting Bannon, someone who, according to the JLM chair, "enabled right wing antisemitism to seep into the mainstream", while also criticising Labour's approach to antisemitism.[141]

    Sajid Javid
    Shaun Lawson, writing in Open Democracy, accused Sajid Javid of exploiting antisemitism "for naked political purposes" after Javid tweeted a disapproval of Holocaust denial. Javid then attempted to link denying the Holocaust to the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, by stating (we) should not be misled by Corbyn.[142] Javid was forced to retract his comment, and responded by tweeting: “Corbyn is not a Holocaust denier. I am happy to make that clear.”[143]

    Javid was again accused of an antisemitic tweet when he wished Jews in the UK and abroad a happy Rosh Hashanah. He insisted people were feeling under threat from Jeremy Corbyn, and "for all decent people to stand together to celebrate our Jewish community". This drew criticism from Michael Rosen who noted that Javid had used a similar antisemitism to that seen in Vichy France, where Jews had been separated into French or foreign born. Javid, following this lead, had separated Jews based on "decent Jews" and "Corbyn supporting Jews". David Schneider insisted that Javid had used Rosh Hashanah as a "political football" and was ignoring Islamophobia and racism within Javid's own party.[144]

    IHRA antisemitism definition
    In July 2018, during a row over the Labour Party and the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, Channel 4 FactCheck revealed that the Conservative Party rulebook did not mention antisemitism, despite Theresa May stating that her party had adopted the IHRA definition.[145][146] Later that year, the party's code of conduct was amended, adding an annexe stipulating that the IHRA definition was fully adopted, to support the existing stipulation that discrimination on the basis of "religion or belief" was prohibited.[145]

    Support of European antisemitic political parties
    At the start of April 2018, foreign secretary Boris Johnson was criticised by opposition politicians and campaign groups for congratulating Viktor Orbán on his re-election as Prime Minister of Hungary, in part because of concern about "anti-Semitic undertones" to Orban's campaign.[147][148] Later that month, a number of Jewish organisations called on the Conservative government to confront European political parties that had fuelled antisemitism, particularly those the Conservatives were affiliated in the European Conservatives and Reformists group with, like Latvia's National Alliance, Poland's Law and Justice Party, and Hungary's Fidesz Party, with its leader Viktor Orbán. The organisations asked the Conservatives to withdraw their membership from the group until it is free of all racism, including antisemitism.[149]

    In September 2018, British Jewish leaders condemned the Conservatives because, in a vote to remove Hungary's voting rights at the European Council, the party defended Hungary's far-right Orbán government despite its 'vivid antisemitism'.[150] Hungary was accused of corruption, 'violating press freedoms, undermining judicial independence, and waging an antisemitic campaign against a leading Jewish businessman' (i.e., George Soros).[151] The Conservatives, who were the only governing conservative party in western Europe to vote against the move,[151] were accused by David Hirsch of 'cosy[ing] up to an antisemitic and racist strong-man regime', 'pandering to Jew-hate'.[152] They were seen, including by one of their own politicians, of defending Orbán 'in a bid for backing in Brexit talks',[150][152] of pretending not to recognise antisemitism 'in the hope of gaining some advantage in return'.[152] According to The Jewish Chronicle, the vote 'was truly shameful and a dark day for the party led by Mrs May'.[153] Later that month, Orbán wrote to the Conservative Party thanking them for their support in the vote.[154]

    Labour Party Chairperson Ian Lavery called on Theresa May to 'explain and apologise for her Party's behaviour'.[155] After the vote, 'a series of high-profile Conservatives' refused to condemn the vote, which, according to an editorial in The Jewish Chronicle, was 'even worse' that the vote itself, adding that 'it is vital that antisemitism is called out — wherever it is found'.[153] One of the Conservatives who refused to condemn the vote and Orbán's antisemitism was Michael Gove.[152] When asked to condemn Orbán, Gove said he would not "go down that route, play that game".[152] The following month, the Conservatives were condemned again by Jewish leaders because Conservative politicians continued to refuse to condemn Orbán. One of them was Brexit minister Martin Callanan. The Jewish Chronicle said that this was occurring at the same time that the Conservatives were criticising Jeremy Corbyn over antisemitism in the Labour Party.[156]

    Appointment of Roger Scruton
    In November 2018, the Conservatives were condemned for appointing Roger Scruton as chair of a new Housing and Architecture Committee because, in the words of Labour MP Luciana Berger, he "pedall[ed] antisemitic conspiracy theories" regarding Soros.[157][158] Labour MP Wes Streeting expressed concerns over Scruton's links with Orbán.[157] The government defended Scruton.[159] Scruton was sacked as Government adviser in April 2019 after a New Statesman interview in which he repeated comments similar to those previously made.[160] Dawn Butler, shadow women and equalities minister, said Scruton's language was that of 'white supremacists' and that he should have been sacked when he had made his comments previously.[160]

    Suella Braverman's "Cultural Marxism" comments
    The Conservative MP Suella Braverman came under fire in 2019 for saying her party was "engaged in a fight against Cultural Marxism" supposedly being led by Jeremy Corbyn, with the phrase referring to a theory pushed by various far-right voices that Western culture has supposedly been undermined by mostly Jewish students of the Frankfurt School. When asked by journalist Dawn Foster why she was "pushing a far-right term used by Anders Breivik", Braverman said she was "only trying to prevent further attacks on 'British genius'".[161]

    Jacob Rees-Mogg
    In March 2019, Rees-Mogg retweeted a speech by the leader of the far-right German political party Alternative for Germany (AfD). The AfD marched with neo-Nazis the year before and had been condemned by members of the German Jewish community as "racist and antisemitic", "no party for Jews", and a "danger to Jewish life in Germany". Following criticism, Rees-Mogg defended his decision to promote the AfD leader's speech.[162]

    Local level
    Antisemitic candidates
    In 2017 a Birmingham Conservative council candidate left the Party after abusive tweets from 2013 and 2014 came to light; they included the mentioning of "foreign Jew agents".[163]

    A few days before the 2018 local elections, three Conservative council candidates were revealed to have made antisemitic comments. The candidate for the Fen Ditton and Fulbourn ward, Cambridgeshire, had commented that he was "Sweating like a Jew in an attic".[164] The candidate for Stevenage Borough Council referred to the Jewish symbol the Star of David as the "Mark of the Beast".[165] The candidate for the Barnes ward of Sunderland City Council wrote, "I can honestly say that this morning was the first time I've had to scrub off a Hitler tash with a toothbrush after a night out".[114][166][167][unreliable source?] They were all suspended.[168][165][167] After winning his seat, however, the candidate for Sunderland Council - Anthony Mullen - was reinstated.[114]

    Antisemitism towards candidates
    In the spring of 2019, when on a parliamentary candidate short list for Hackney North & Stoke Newington and Hackney South & Shoreditch, Councillor Ben Seifert was told by a party member not to run because he is Jewish and "you can have too many Jews". Seifert left the Conservative party in September 2019.[169]

    Grassroots level
    Antisemitic activists
    In March 2017, a Conservative activist tweeted that it was time for Europe-wide purge like the Spanish Inquisition. This caused concern for Jews because the Inquisition 'consisted of a state-organised pogrom predominantly targeting Jews with torture and cruel murder, for example being burned at the stake. The Alhambra Decree of 1492, commanded all Jews in Spain to convert to Catholicism or leave the country'. The Welsh Conservative Party released a statement distancing themselves from the activist,[170] but took no further steps.[171]

    In November 2017 Hope not Hate reported that Conservative Party activists were members of a Facebook group called Young Right Society, which was 'awash with antisemitic, Holocaust denying and racist material'.[172][173][174] One of the group's administrators, Jack Hadfield, was a member of the Warwick Conservative Association.[174]

    Conservative Future Scotland's and Bruges Group's conspiracy theories
    The antisemitic conspiracy theory "Cultural Marxism" was evident in the Conservative Party during 2018. In Scotland in July, the chairperson for the youth wing of the Scottish Conservatives, Conservative Future Scotland, was accused of antisemitism after using the phrase. The Scottish Green Party MSP Ross Greer wrote to Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson asking her to treat the issue seriously because, according to him, the 'conspiracy theory [was] quite literally created by the Nazis to demonise Jews as the enemy within'.[175]

    The idea of "Cultural Marxism" emerged again at the Conservative Party Conference in October. Copies of a booklet called Moralitis: A Cultural Virus, by Robert Oulds (director of the Bruges Group) and Niall McCrae, were available at a Bruges Group meeting.[176] The booklet espoused right-wing conspiracy theories with antisemitic origins, including "Cultural Marxism" and the Great Replacement.[177][176] Two Jewish organisations, the Campaign Against Antisemitism and the Jewish Council for Racial Equality, called for an investigation into the 'racist' booklet.[177]

    University Conservative society
    At a Plymouth University Conservatives party in October 2018, some society members were pictured, according to the Daily Mirror, wearing clothing with homemade slogans on them, such as "Jude" (German for Jew) with a Star of David, and wearing a Hitler-style moustache.[178] Plymouth's Students' Union suspended the society pending an investigation; Conservative Campaign Headquarters launched an investigation and said it would suspend any party members involved.[178]

    Support for Turning Point UK
    In December 2018 a right-wing advocacy group, Turning Point USA (TPUSA), launched its British branch, Turning Point UK (TPUK).[179] TPUK was founded by George Famer, son of Conservative peer Lord Famer[114] and fiancée of TPUSA communications director Candace Owens who, at the TPUSA conference, had come out in support of neo-Nazis.[179] When asked about nationalism during a Q&A session at the TPUK launch event, Candace Owens said, 'If Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that ... he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize ... that's not nationalism. ... I don't really have an issue with nationalism ... I think that it's OK'.[179] Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell attended the event[180] and support for the organisation was given by a number of Conservative MPs: Jacob Rees-Mogg, Priti Patel, Steve Baker and Sir Bernard Jenkin.[114]

    Johnson leadership (2019-)
    Parliamentary level
    Jacob Rees-Mogg
    During a 3 September (2019) parliamentary debate on Brexit, Jacob Rees-Mogg called two Jewish Conservative MPs, including Oliver Letwin,[181] members of the Illuminati,[182] which, according Michael Berkowitz, professor of Modern Jewish History, who commented on the incident, is one of the "most poisonous antisemitic canards in all of history ... frequently used as justification for violence".[183] Antony Lerman suggests that this is "dog-whistle antisemitism and at the same time a chase for votes to shamelessly exploit Jewish fears".[184] Early the next month, Rees-Mogg was criticised for referred to George Soros as 'the remoaner funder in chief' - this was seen by some as a perpetuation of an antisemitic conspiracy theory[181] and was condemened by Lord Alf Dubs (who called for Rees-Mogg to be sacked) as a comment 'straight from the far right's antisemitic playbook'.[185]

    Priti Patel
    During a speech at the 2019 Conservative Party conference, Priti Patel spoke disparagingly of 'North London metropolitan liberal elite', which was understood by some people as an antisemitic reference,[186][187] 'the language of the far-right ... a worrying descent into dog-whistle antisemitic discourse'.[181]

    Crispin Blunt
    In 2019, Crispin Blunt MP accused the chief rabbi of Manchester of demanding "special status" for Britain's Jews. Blunt was later rebuked by the Jewish Leadership Council, which stated he should "clarify if he supports the concept of freedom of religion, a cornerstone of liberal democracy".[188]

    Michael Gove
    Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Michael Gove MP, was urged to apologise for sharing an antisemitic tweet from a Twitter account falsely claiming to be run by a Labour member.[189] Antony Lerman, writing for Open Democracy, accused Gove of "dog-whistle antisemitism", attempting to chase votes and "shamelessly exploit[ing] Jewish fears".[184]

    James Cleverly
    Along with Michael Gove, Antony Lerman, writing for Open Democracy, accuses James Cleverly, Chairman of the Conservative Party, of "dog-whistle antisemitism". Cleverly, in an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, claimed that Jewish "individuals and groups, including entrepreneurs and other business figures" – people he had known "much of [his] life" would leave the country if Labour won the 2019 election.[190]

    Local level
    Antisemitic councillor
    In July 2019, Dexter Smith, councillor for the Colnbrook with Poyle parish in Slough, stood by his remark that Jews are 'renowned business people'.[114][191]

    Antisemitic candidates
    Ryan Houghton
    In 2019 Ryan Houghton, who was standing in the Aberdeen North constituency for the 2019 general election, was suspended for comments made seven years ago on social media. These comments related to the Holocaust, homosexuality, and Islam. Houghton discussed freedom of speech and comments made by Holocaust denier David Irving.[192] Houghton retained the Conservative candidacy for Aberdeen North after his suspension.[193]

    Amjad Bashir
    Amjad Bashir, who was standing in the Leeds North East constituency for the 2019 general election, was suspended from the Conservative party after The Jewish Chronicle reported on his claim that British Jews who visited Israel were returning as "brainwashed extremists". Bashir retained the Conservative candidacy for Leeds North East after his suspension.[194]
    The labour stuff you bring up is like a minor footnote drowning between all the other cases brought forth here.

    So yes, it looks very fake and like pearl clutching to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    People easily accuse me of being a SJW when racism is being discussed, so it is a moot question.

    I however do my research on many subjects:

    Why is Labour being accused of anti-semitism?
    1. Corbyn once many years ago liked a mural depicting wealthy people playing monopoly, according to some those wealthy people depicted jews. (Dubious claim)
    2. Labour made some statements denouncing the treatment of the Palestinian people by Israel (Nothing wrong with denouncing Israel, most of the western world does it).
    3. Exactly less than 0,1% of the appointed politicians of Labour were accused of antisemitism at some point. (There are more jews within jewish communities who are accused of anti-semitism than 0,1% (usually also those who show pacifism towards Palestina))

    Everything about this screams pearl clutching, fake concern trolling and making a mountain out of a molehill.
    In short: Fake nonsense.
    Yeah how cute of you to ignore Corbyns long standing friendship and support of people from Hamas and other terrorist organizations. Not to mention that many of his supporters have history of antisemitism. Of course, the extreme left have always hated Israel, so this is nothing new.

    In short: You are lying.

    To vote for Corbyn you have to be either stupid or evil, there is nothing else to it. Corbyn unites destructive extreme left policies with repellent personality.
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    Don't see what's wrong with fighting alongside Nazi Germany
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    someone who disagrees with me is simply wrong.

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    Corbyn unites destructive extreme left policies
    I suddenly like Corbyn now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Here you go, some reading material for you:



    The labour stuff you bring up is like a minor footnote drowning between all the other cases brought forth here.

    So yes, it looks very fake and like pearl clutching to me.
    So whataboutism is how you respond?

    After years of suffering trump your also willing to go there when needed, I'm not sure how you can post in that way and then look in the mirror.

    The torys being racisist POS's isn't a defence for Labour being racist POS's

    Upside is I get to see where these so called left wing posters really stand. How far will they really go to call out hate and intolerance in society, not as far as our own homes it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    I suddenly like Corbyn now!
    Yeah because a fellow extremist like yourself did not like him before...
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    Don't see what's wrong with fighting alongside Nazi Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by JfmC View Post
    someone who disagrees with me is simply wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    People easily accuse me of being a SJW when racism is being discussed, so it is a moot question.

    I however do my research on many subjects:

    Why is Labour being accused of anti-semitism?
    1. Corbyn once many years ago liked a mural depicting wealthy people playing monopoly, according to some those wealthy people depicted jews. (Dubious claim)
    2. Labour made some statements denouncing the treatment of the Palestinian people by Israel (Nothing wrong with denouncing Israel, most of the western world does it).
    3. Exactly less than 0,1% of the appointed politicians of Labour were accused of antisemitism at some point. (There are more jews within jewish communities who are accused of anti-semitism than 0,1% (usually also those who show pacifism towards Palestina))

    Everything about this screams pearl clutching, fake concern trolling and making a mountain out of a molehill.
    In short: Fake nonsense.
    Whether you are accused of being a SJW or not does not change that you are dismissing the racism that British Jews have endured.

    It is because of people like you - who dismiss those who speak out against intolerance and belittle the victims - that this brand of racism has been able to take hold within the Labour party. Corbyn might not be an anti-Semite but he most certainly has not done enough to tackle attitudes like yours within his party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    So whataboutism is how you respond?
    Bringing up the conspiracy theory of 'antisemitism within Labour' as some huge concern while you literally are ignoring the ten times huger pile of shit across the aisle is exactly why informed people will think it's fake nonsense.

    If you really wanted to discuss antisemitism seriously you would first address the bigger root cause and source of it instead of going for the little side-note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    I suddenly like Corbyn now!
    Corbyn has joined us in bringing us closer to the utopia as foretold by posadism.
    Conservatism and its off-shoots are the most rotten idealogies to ever exist in human history.
    Anarcho-communism =/ Stalinism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Bringing up the conspiracy theory of 'antisemitism within Labour' as some huge concern while you literally are ignoring the ten times huger pile of shit across the aisle is exactly why informed people will think it's fake nonsense.

    If you really wanted to discuss antisemitism seriously you would first address the bigger root cause and source of it instead of going for the little side-note.
    It's not conspiracy theory when people have been expelled for anti sematism and the equality and human rights commission launches an investigation and over 100 people come forward as witnesses. More has happend and more has been proven for this than trumps impeachment and yet you go to language to discredit it like the most rabid trumpkins on here.

    It seems you Americans are all alike in the end. Tribal and without true morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoranon View Post
    Yeah because a fellow extremist like yourself did not like him before...
    imagine thinking the centre-left is extreme lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    please tell me what conspiracy theory you have that links isreal to the anti sematism scandal, last I checked it's was British Jews that were afraid of the rehotic.
    Well, there is this

    "Benjamin Netanyahu has waded into the row over Jeremy Corbyn’s record on antisemitism, saying the Labour leader deserves “unequivocal condemnation” for attending a memorial service for the Munich massacre terrorists.

    The Israeli prime minister took the unusual step of criticising a foreign politician, as Mr Corbyn faced questions over whether he had paid tribute to those behind the 1972 attack that killed 11 Israeli athletes.
    "
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...431.html%3famp

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    imagine thinking the centre-left is extreme lol
    Imagine thinking any one takes what a communist says seriously.

    Arnt you dutch any way Gilrak? You don't really have much of a say in this thread to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    imagine thinking the centre-left is extreme lol
    Corbyn as center left? Nice joke, but only aplicable if leftist for you means someone like Stalin. Judging by your disgusting avatar, that is probably the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugsForFree View Post
    Well, there is this

    "Benjamin Netanyahu has waded into the row over Jeremy Corbyn’s record on antisemitism, saying the Labour leader deserves “unequivocal condemnation” for attending a memorial service for the Munich massacre terrorists.

    The Israeli prime minister took the unusual step of criticising a foreign politician, as Mr Corbyn faced questions over whether he had paid tribute to those behind the 1972 attack that killed 11 Israeli athletes.
    "
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...431.html%3famp
    He critisised him for attending the funeral of terrorists.

    Not exactly a Zionist plot to over throw the Labour Party.

    And not evidence British Jews have a hive mind and follow his orders.

    I don't know what your alluding to, but you should be very careful in where you go from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoranon View Post
    Corbyn as center left? Nice joke, but only aplicable if leftist for you means someone like Stalin. Judging by your disgusting avatar, that is probably the case.
    Stalin was an anarcho-communist? And yeah, social democracy is centre-left. Or what, did you think Blair was centre-left?
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    Back to @Jessicka's topic.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...nts-5-20971847

    So, basically:

    - A top US official made clear Washington would take the default position that everything is on the table in trade talks - until it's specifically ruled off the table.

    - The US agreed to "share their public lines" - a government term for spin - about chlorine-washed chicken with the UK "to inform the media narrative".

    - UK negotiators warned patents on drugs, which are often far more expensive in the US, would be a "key consideration going forward".

    - In a meeting just months ago, US officials made clear a no-deal Brexit could clear the way for a trade deal - and a customs union would block it.

    - The US are insisting on a "ban" on any reference to climate change in a trade deal.

    Edit...

    The fourth bullet point is stating the obvious a bit isn't it? OFC Trump wants No Deal.

    Anyway, the point being is that any free trade deal will come about as a result of give & take. The question is how much taking will there be and how much giving? I fear the worst: a Tory government stuffed full of rabid free marketeers and Trump? No doubt, I'll be told there's no justification for such worries and to stay positive. It'll be fine. Don't panic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Stalin was an anarcho-communist? And yeah, social democracy is centre-left. Or what, did you think Blair was centre-left?
    I don't see any reason to distinguish between strains of communism, you are all murderous thugs. And yes, Blair was center left.
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    Don't see what's wrong with fighting alongside Nazi Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by JfmC View Post
    someone who disagrees with me is simply wrong.

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