The loyalist storyline ended in 8.2. She said thanks for your help and moved on. You were USED because that's what Sylvanas does to people... you thought she cared about you? You getting butthurt is now a part of canon.
You didn't 'really' get a choice. You had a story laid out where the horde player would once again aid the rebellion side and you had a tacked on option to supposedly side with Sylvanas and yet this option to side with her lead only to you doing what the rebels wanted you to do anyway and then Sylvanas ran away. There wasn't ever a 'real' choice here. Whether you realized it or not you were always with the side that was going to stay horde. Saurfant and his allies stayed horde. (Or rather, he would have if he hadn't died.) Sylvanas ran away without caring about the horde.
They can give you the illusion of choice in a horde civil war story because they can still string you along the same linear path. actually giving you the chance to side with sylvanas for real in a way that's more than lip service to the idea of it? That's way outside of the scope of what they can and will do.
Alas, we can't be like Gul'dan and side with literal doom to gain more power.
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Let's complain. Blizzard should realise that not everyone likes eternal two factions. They better gave us option to side with Tyrande and Sylvanas.
I didn't take Sylvanas side, simply because I click shit without reading, but I often take the "wrong" options in game just to see what happens since the good option is always predictable and boring. It doesn't mean I (or other people) make bad life choices because of video game choices. I think it sucks for people who wanted to see this they just get nothing, this entire crap was literally for nothing.
Even from the perspective of people who were against Sylvanas it would have been cool to have an event where everyone who took ehr side becomes hostile to everyone else, in their own little "faction" for like a few weeks or something.
By now I imagine the only thing Blizzard can do to make clear that it is bad idea to follow Sylvanas is to literally make her kill the loyalists, eat their souls and permanently delete the characters and accounts.
NOTHING else seems to work. She can tell you to your face that she doesn't care, she can be seen plotting your very demise with Azshara, it simply has no effect, people are so completely mind controled by her that facts no longer matter at all. She is a genocidal zombie that now plans omnicide and people keep cheering for her.
Frankly this is a great insight into human nature. If you ever wonder why leaders in the history books get away with starting wars, genocide, terror attacks and every other evil shit, you just have to take what is happening here. It would be funny if the implications weren't so terrifying.
Not even sure it is worth it writing arguments by now, but some stuff just needs answers (that no doubt will be ignored anyway).
She wants to kill EVERYONE, you included. And you will go straight to the Maw. Eternal torment. I simply cannot fathom this choice. Why is Sylvanas worth this? What has she done for you? There is no great reward in it for you. Nothing.
Phew, guess those innocent children in Teldrassil really must have been mean to you. I hope when you meet them again in the Maw you will get along.
Wow. Just wow. I have no words.
Yep, I guess Blizzard underestimated the influence she has over the minds of her sheep. A mad oger could see it, but these guys are blind. Frankly N'zoth seems to be the smarter choice by now, he might even be able to help us against the Banshee and her new Jailer BFF.
Lor'themar didn't have the guts to disobey the Banshee until it was almost too late. Liadrin did not even say anything at all, despite being a high-ranking light-allied Paladin, she was completely fine with genocide and attacks on civilian targets, she even personaly comanded you to kill a healer that was tyring to save civilian lifes.
I like these two as well, but just because they are elves does not make them better then Baine who has been vocal with his critque as early as the Siege of the Undercity.
Also, disapproval of Baine does not in any way excuse following a genocidal psychopath, that is just childish pouting: "I dun like Baine, better all Life on the planet dies before I try his way!"
Sure you aren't. But just because you have a cult of like-minded people around you doesn't make you in any way more right to follow your cult-leader.
A what? Martyr? What?
A martyr dies for their believes. Sylvanas only killed people for her own power, she never sacrificed anything herself. She is like the opposite of a martyr.
And you do realize that we will spend the next expansion ruining Sylvanas plans and at the very least killing her Jailer BFF? Of course there is the chance that this is part of her omniecient plan to steal his power, if Blizzard keep on making her the most ridiculous mary sue in the history of the game that is.
"We took the Horde from you, Sylvanas!"
"The Horde is nothing, I have a better partner now!"
"We killed your new partner, Sylvanas!"
"He is nothing! My infinite godlike powers and omniecience told me you would do that! Now I rule the Maw alone!"
"We destroyed the Maw, Sylvanas!"
"The Maw is nothing! I forsaw this and will rule the Twisting Nether now!"
Again, disliking some people does not mean it is okay to follow someone that wants to kill EVERYONE. It's the response of a child loosing in a board game and throwing the board in a tantrum.
And when will you figure out that Sylvanas does not represent war? She represents extinction and death. She was not fighting in a war to win she was stirring up a conflict so that as many people as possible would die. Her only goal was to strengthen herself, you all can follow her as much as you want, you are still not getting rewarded.
Sylvanas is not a martyr, and the loyalists are literally fighting for the pleasure of dying for her and ending up in eternal torment. If you believe it is anything else you are just deluding yourself severely.
Despite this I agree that there should be a special ending for the loyalists:
We beat the Jailer and Sylvanas, repair the Machine of Death and both Horde and Alliance prepare to depart. Just then the Arbiter appears and tells the loyalists that they are not leaving, their mind sets and deeds are corrupted and letting them go back to Azeroth is not an option. They will be imprisoned in the new Maw for all eternity. Character aren't deleted of course, but they get locked in a small cell with a permament debuff that prevents any action for 24 hours, renewed upon logging in. This will be an acount-wide feature.
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When were those multiple times you speak of?
Far as I can remember we did not even eradicate the marauding demon blood-crazy aliens that came to our planet to butcher every living thing. We just put them in camps, because we are too nice to slaughter them.
(I will laugh hard if the answer has the words "Taurajo" or "Stormheim" in them)
Death of Alliance and Horde scum is enough of reward.She wants to kill EVERYONE, you included. And you will go straight to the Maw. Eternal torment. I simply cannot fathom this choice. Why is Sylvanas worth this? What has she done for you? There is no great reward in it for you. Nothing.
Do night elves even have children?Phew, guess those innocent children in Teldrassil really must have been mean to you. I hope when you meet them again in the Maw you will get along.
I guess Blizzard really underestimates the joy of playing evil characters. I guess current writing team would not have make Scourge playable in Warcraft 3.Yep, I guess Blizzard underestimated the influence she has over the minds of her sheep. A mad oger could see it, but these guys are blind. Frankly N'zoth seems to be the smarter choice by now, he might even be able to help us against the Banshee and her new Jailer BFF.
Because she was right.Lor'themar didn't have the guts to disobey the Banshee until it was almost too late.
Civilians with plate armors and Alliance tabards.she even personaly comanded you to kill a healer that was tyring to save civilian lifes.
He has been vocal enough to work for enemy and admit to that. What a hero!I like these two as well, but just because they are elves does not make them better then Baine who has been vocal with his critque as early as the Siege of the Undercity.
Both of them want their subjects dead.Also, disapproval of Baine does not in any way excuse following a genocidal psychopath, that is just childish pouting: "I dun like Baine, better all Life on the planet dies before I try his way!"
There is also one character that was planned to live forever until players asked Blizzard to retcon that.And you do realize that we will spend the next expansion ruining Sylvanas plans and at the very least killing her Jailer BFF? Of course there is the chance that this is part of her omniecient plan to steal his power, if Blizzard keep on making her the most ridiculous mary sue in the history of the game that is.
Alas, we can't kill Arbiter in 20 player group as we always do with god-like tyrants.Despite this I agree that there should be a special ending for the loyalists:
We beat the Jailer and Sylvanas, repair the Machine of Death and both Horde and Alliance prepare to depart. Just then the Arbiter appears and tells the loyalists that they are not leaving, their mind sets and deeds are corrupted and letting them go back to Azeroth is not an option. They will be imprisoned in the new Maw for all eternity. Character aren't deleted of course, but they get locked in a small cell with a permament debuff that prevents any action for 24 hours, renewed upon logging in. This will be an acount-wide feature.
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Forsaken and blood elves had Scourge. Darkspear had their homeland removed from existence. Zandalari had their empire drowned. Tauren were almost extinct by centaur. However, you all think it was only night elves who had problems.
Let's finish the job, then.
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On that note, shouldn't you be all for that? Those are Humans and High Elves who were nearly wiped out by the Scourge.
They're a tribe, not a race.
Apparently not such a big deal if BfA is any indication.
Which are.. Alliance? Plus I'm fairly sure you don't want to act like the centaur particularly got away with the things they did, right?
Well, they're the ones who nearly got wiped out by a player faction that gets to hop away scot-free, so..
Kay, then start with your own character please. Deleting it is your reward. You will help Sylvanas with it, promise.
You probably forgot since you were trying to kill all the NPC Night Elves in Val'sharah while this was happening but we literally SAW Illidan and Malfurion as babies. There are notouriously few children in the game world, I think about 3-5 in all of Stormwind, so the amount of NPCs runnign around does not corelate to the actual amount of children. Else ALL races would have died out by now.
And besides, the Night Elf civilians and shop keepers haven't done anything to you either, you just look for excuses.
They do indeed. But I do not hold it against them that they could not forsee this turn. I still can't fathom this. Being evil I get, but being evilish suicidal (which is what following Sylvanas means at this point) and having fun being suicidal... there is a logical disconnect there that I cannot work around.
The thing is, that you loyalists are only playing this side because you know there can be no repercussions for anything you do. After reading all your comments your character is in no way different then any demon of the Burning Legion or zombie of the Scourge. Yet because of game mechanics we cannot kill it permanently.
Normally the cost of being an evil monster is to die like an evil monster, cause and effect, but thanks to game mechanics the Horde is forced to keep you around. I am sure they are happy about that, considering you think of all of them as scum.
Kay, so you are fine being "nothing"? Good for you. Besides this point, she has not devulged her plan to anyone, so you factually cannot know she is right with what she is doing unless you think she is ALWAYS right with no capability to be wrong. That opens a whole other can of worms.
And in doing so, saved your character's life, so you can stick around being cartoonishly evil. Yeah he made a mistake there.
Good, at least you realize it. So it is the female elf-factor that seperates them, I guess?
We are going to the Shadowlands to put them back in order... not to create endless chaos... and this answer directly shows why your character should be imprisoned in the Maw
Forsaken ARE the Scourge, they also are former members of the Alliance. As were the High Elves, who were not called Blood Elves at that time (you probably should know this considering your dark goddess was a High Elf)
And well, if you wish to go this far back, then the Night Elves also nearly died out during the Sundering and the War of the Ancients and the Humans nearly got exterminated by the Scourge as well loosing two Kingdoms to it.
The difference is that these acts were commited by evil entities or evil people clearly identified as such and made the killable end bosses of several raids. Meanwhile people still maintain that Sylvanas just did what was right and should not be judged by normal morality, following her example because they know they cannot be held accountable in the same way an NPC can.
I only advocate that player characters that feel the need to be evil monsters share the fate of the other evil monsters we destroyed for the sake of our world.
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Well I don't start the game that way. I do this because the story became irrelevant mumbo jumbo of incompetence. If you want me to keep reading your stories you first have to make it good and hook me in, and you don't do that with sapce demons, pandas and edgy elves. You do that with good character development like Arthas. I devoured the Warcraft story up until it turned to objective garbage with Cata and MoP, now they don't get my attention, only my clicks to move along.
You literally admitted you stopped paying attention. You don't get to pretend your opinion is an informed one when you're literally not reading any of it.
This is not me being snide or trying to put you down. Thats just literally how it works.
Sorry to make a very serious-face comparison, but I personally read the Bible, not because I'm religious, but because I want to be able to argue with people who take it as the end-all of moral values and a guideline on how to live. I have an informed opinion on it.
I'll gladly talk with you on matters concerning the Warcraft story until Mists of Pandaria. After that, sorry, you've chosen to bail out, so you're no longer part of the conversation.
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