Now I see why Chris Evans bowed out

[Kyphael]

So it's no secret Mark Ruffalo has shown interest in remaining in the MCU as its Hulk. I was reading MCU news and found this interesting bit.

“Kevin Feige just asked me last week if I had any more ideas or stories for the Hulk. And I said yeah, I think there’s still some stories to tell. And he said, ‘Well why don’t you come in and tell me about them and we’ll see if we can find a place for you in the Marvel universe?’” Source:

Now, I'm now saying Kevin Feige comes off as a jerk or anything, he pretty much invited Ruffalo to a brainstorm session, but it's how he worded the last bit. Does it come off like "if we got something good, we'll fit you in" but it also sounds like they might not have anything for Hulk. Really? HULK? With Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr., and Scarlett Johansson all stepping down, you'd think Feige would be eager to keep one of the few original Avengers actors that actually wants to stay. It comes off very nonchalant. You have time to develop C-list properties like Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, and She-Hulk, but your writers haven't been working on anything for Hulk, whose actor actually wants to stay?

It suddenly puts what Chris Evans said in perspective. He opted to step down before being pushed out. It's no secret these movie studios are fickle, so what Evans said makes a lot of sense. It doesn't pay to be loyal or passionate about your character beyond your contract.

[Ophenia]

Disney cannot use Hulk yet as a main character, they still don't have the rights. They can only use him as a secondary character, which will forever be a waste of a hero imo. I'd rather not see Hulk anywhere than having a dumbed down Hulk being useless all day long as we had recently.

Let's wait until Disney buys Universal

[Beazy]

I wish Marvel would just take single issue comics and turn them into a Movie.

Like Wolverine #8 with Gray Hulk. Would be a fun movie and have nothing to do with infinity gems. Just a fun Hulk and Wolverine movie. . . .

[OnlineSamantha]

Let's also not forget that Iron Man was a c-list character before getting adapted into a movie. What I'm trying to say is how they're perceived now really isn't that big of a sign of how popular they *can* be.

PS: Moon Knight is fantastic and you should all read the comics.

[Bryci]

Disney cannot use Hulk yet as a main character, they still don't have the rights. They can only use him as a secondary character, which will forever be a waste of a hero imo. I'd rather not see Hulk anywhere than having a dumbed down Hulk being useless all day long as we had recently.

Let's wait until Disney buys Universal

They can use Hulk as a main character... it has always been a main character in the MCU they just can't make a stand alone Hulk movie because the publishing rights belong to Universal.

[VinceVega]

Nah... the MCU is no Sports Team. How many movies about captain america do you want? Also in the comics he ages slowly. Evans does not as far as i am aware. I rather have new stories with new characters.
I liked the captain marvel movie despite the actress. I am not much for fandom so why should i care what actors/actresses say?

Also it is not clear if none of them will ever appear again. Just not in their own movies or starring roles. Thor is still there. Scarlet johanson will appear again. Hulk will appear in some capacity as he has always. Iron man is dead. So maybe flashbacks but nothing more.
Now you have Wanda, Vision, Hawkeye, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain marvel, the guardians, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, Wasp and i propably forgot some.
The Eternals and SHang Chi are coming which sounds promising.

I think it is better to rotate because otherwise it will get stale.

[Immitis]

So it's no secret Mark Ruffalo has shown interest in remaining in the MCU as its Hulk. I was reading MCU news and found this interesting bit.

“Kevin Feige just asked me last week if I had any more ideas or stories for the Hulk. And I said yeah, I think there’s still some stories to tell. And he said, ‘Well why don’t you come in and tell me about them and we’ll see if we can find a place for you in the Marvel universe?’” Source:

Now, I'm now saying Kevin Feige comes off as a jerk or anything, he pretty much invited Ruffalo to a brainstorm session, but it's how he worded the last bit. Does it come off like "if we got something good, we'll fit you in" but it also sounds like they might not have anything for Hulk. Really? HULK? With Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr., and Scarlett Johansson all stepping down, you'd think Feige would be eager to keep one of the few original Avengers actors that actually wants to stay. It comes off very nonchalant. You have time to develop C-list properties like Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, and She-Hulk, but your writers haven't been working on anything for Hulk, whose actor actually wants to stay?

It suddenly puts what Chris Evans said in perspective. He opted to step down before being pushed out. It's no secret these movie studios are fickle, so what Evans said makes a lot of sense. It doesn't pay to be loyal or passionate about your character beyond your contract.

the problem with hulk is the movie rights. in order to use him they have to put him in other peoples movies or make use of him during avengers films

the original hulk movie was made before the disney merger and so the distribution rights are split, they can use hulk in any movie they want and his characters but any solo hulk film has to have the profits split.

which means hulks storyline needs to benefit not just his own arc but another characters arc/movie.

thor 3 was good for hulk but would he fit in thor 4? originally the hulk bits from thor 3 were meant for guardians 2 incase the first movie didnt do so well but then it did and they allowed gunn to do his own thing. he could potentially fit there, portman is back though and that cast might get a little crowded.

so we look at whats upcoming and where hulk would fit well.

imo spider-man is a good choice, hulk and spider-man have always had good chemistry in other media and i dont think theyve even interacted in the mcu yet, however that movie is also going to cap out his trilogy so they may not have room for a hulk plot while also cleanly wrapping up spideys arc before he gets sent off to the sonyverse

black widow is inbetween civil war and infinity war so hulk would be on sakaar

strange 2 already has scarlet witch costaring

shang chi and the eternals are both going to need time to set up their characters origins and i dont see hulk fitting in there

she-hulk is the likely place we will see some more hulk and theyve already started meeting to see where he would fit in there

other than she-hulk i dont see much room for hulk in phase 4 unless we get an avengers movie

[PrimiOne]

It seems that "place in the Marvel Universe" didn't mean Infinity Wars/End Game where Hulk ( as in ....Banner could not do that) does not have 2 minutes of screen presence.

1. Get his ass pounded by Thanos. 40s?
2. Refuse to let Banner transform. 2s?
3.Throw a bench to a lake after Natasha dies (this one , is amazingly enough , the bigger "Hulk angry" moment in End Game).1s?
4.Unsnapping the snaping. 5 s?
5. Hold the platform so Rodhey and Rocket dont get buried. 10s?

This is Hulk in the final chapters of the Avengers.A founding member. Mindblowing.

Add this to how well Bana's and Norton's film were at the box office and that Universal still hold the rights (the use of Disney is just a license) and you got the perfect scenario for :"I use to judge people by his acts not his words".

I would be really pleased to be proven wrong but I see that as just pure small talk and the ocasional cameo on other people's films.

[Zandalariprelate]

Let's also not forget that Iron Man was a c-list character before getting adapted into a movie. What I'm trying to say is how they're perceived now really isn't that big of a sign of how popular they *can* be.

Popularity wise yes if we compare him against Spider-Man, Superman and Batman but those got movies that made them more popular with the average joe. In-universe Stark was always important and among one of the most sold comics characters in the marvel house

[Timewalker]

I'm sure he will be in Thor 4 in some capacity, he will probably be in some Disney+ shows too. The good thing about Hulk is, aslong as Ruffalo keeps his voice, they can just CGI him so he is ageless. Nothing to really rush with.

[Oakshana]

Let's also not forget that Iron Man was a c-list character before getting adapted into a movie. What I'm trying to say is how they're perceived now really isn't that big of a sign of how popular they *can* be.

PS: Moon Knight is fantastic and you should all read the comics.

I agree with you that Moon Knight is fantastic. It always has been as a comic, even dating back to the earliest issues in the 80s.

But, where are you getting the idea that Iron Man was a C-list character? That statement confuses me completely.

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I'm sure he will be in Thor 4 in some capacity, he will probably be in some Disney+ shows too. The good thing about Hulk is, aslong as Ruffalo keeps his voice, they can just CGI him so he is ageless. Nothing to really rush with.

He kind of also needs to do the motion capture acting too. If it was the Hulk from Avengers 1 or 2, yeah... they can do that with anyone. But he had to do motion capture acting for Thor: Ragnarok and Avengers: Endgame. There is too much of his facial dynamics that are very specific to him. It's the same reason they hired Andy Serkis for so many of the roles he did. And why James Spader did the capture work for Ultron. Sometimes you REALLY need the facial changes and movement an actor provides for the CGI character to work properly.

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Add this to how well Bana's and Norton's film were at the box office

I really hope you are not implying that they actually performed well at the box office. Each of those movies cost $130-150m to make, and only made about $250m overall.

For a movie to JUST break even, they have to make three times what they cost to make.

[PrimiOne]

I really hope you are not implying that they actually performed well at the box office. Each of those movies cost $130-150m to make, and only made about $250m overall.

For a movie to JUST break even, they have to make three times what they cost to make.

Ummm....yeah.....it was explicitly that ( I thought it was obvious but it seems it doesn't).

1.The other movies flopped.
2. You need to share benefits with Universal.
3.The one chance you have to make the character shine and you ignored it.

so......that....

[korijenkins]

You lack some understanding. Hulk is not owned by Disney. They have no authority to make solo Hulk films on their own, hence why he had one and always appears as a supporting character in the films of others'. Yes, it sucks, but that's the reality. We're honestly lucky they can use him at all.

Just think, 5 years ago Disney couldn't use any of the X-Men, the F4, or Spider-Man. Now they have all of them.

[Daymanmb]

But, where are you getting the idea that Iron Man was a C-list character? That statement confuses me completely.

I agree, Ironman has always been one of Marvels bigger names

[tehdef]

Disney cannot use Hulk yet as a main character, they still don't have the rights. They can only use him as a secondary character, which will forever be a waste of a hero imo. I'd rather not see Hulk anywhere than having a dumbed down Hulk being useless all day long as we had recently.

Let's wait until Disney buys Universal

Sorry, but this is a shit take. Thor: Ragnarok was great, and Hulk was awesome, and stole the show with his Gladiator Hulk shenanigans.

[Immitis]

It seems that "place in the Marvel Universe" didn't mean Infinity Wars/End Game where Hulk ( as in ....Banner could not do that) does not have 2 minutes of screen presence.

1. Get his ass pounded by Thanos. 40s?
2. Refuse to let Banner transform. 2s?
3.Throw a bench to a lake after Natasha dies (this one , is amazingly enough , the bigger "Hulk angry" moment in End Game).1s?
4.Unsnapping the snaping. 5 s?
5. Hold the platform so Rodhey and Rocket dont get buried. 10s?

This is Hulk in the final chapters of the Avengers.A founding member. Mindblowing.

Add this to how well Bana's and Norton's film were at the box office and that Universal still hold the rights (the use of Disney is just a license) and you got the perfect scenario for :"I use to judge people by his acts not his words".

I would be really pleased to be proven wrong but I see that as just pure small talk and the ocasional cameo on other people's films.

the fact we never saw the fusion of hulk and bruce onscreen and it just "happened" was imo the major fault in endgame.

we shouldve seen that conversation between the two, we shouldve seen that character growth. they finally got hulk right in thor 3 and actually wrote hulk as his own character and personality outside of banner and we got no explanation for where he went, what happened to him, we never saw that progression that character just got wiped out of existence for huffalo, who while entertaining completely devalued his entire arc beforehand.

imo hulk/bruce is best written when banner and hulk are treated as seperate and equally valid personalities/characters

bruce has DID and his powers are more of just a vehicle to show that.


if i had the chance to make a hulk movie i would like to see the equivalent of oceans 11 but in the mcu, ant man would be a good pair for that, or the guardians, and i would have hulks arc revolve around bruce/green/grey hulk as they rob a high profile casino or something of that nature (if it were paired with the guardians maybe an interstellar casino or something of that nature?) and i would want to see inner dialog between the 3 similar to what we almost got in infinity war when bruce and hulk finally started to communicate somewhat before it got thrown under the rug.

[Biochem92]

Sounds more like you're just jumping to conclusions based on what you're choosing to hear in a quote that you don't have a lot of context for.

ya this way too much reading in between the lines, over comic books no less.

[Oakshana]

Ummm....yeah.....it was explicitly that ( I thought it was obvious but it seems it doesn't).

1.The other movies flopped.
2. You need to share benefits with Universal.
3.The one chance you have to make the character shine and you ignored it.

so......that....

Ah ok. Whew. Yeah... your wording confused me lol.

[ovine]

Was expecting musings about an irritating ginger twat. I am disappoint.

[Blandalf]

PS: Moon Knight is fantastic and you should all read the comics.

Any ideas where to start? The character sounds really interesting and I'm looking forward to the show.