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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Alydael View Post
    I'm not even really the biggest Hulk fan (more of an X-Men fan), I do like him though. It just seems ridiculous that they have to ask for pitches for the Hulk when there are so many Hulk stories already out there.....
    That's a Disney problem.
    Or should I say the problem is trying to Disney-fy a violent rage monster that has little compunction with killing.
    The solution is to make his movies R-rated.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


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    BTW. One of the things that came out of this meeting between Feige and Ruffalo is to do a Hulk vs. Wolverine movie...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I see the point, but I disagree on sustainability.
    Productions find it hard to change a popular actor in a role s/he defined without screwing over the production itself.
    Frankly I think Disney has a future PR problem. The box office take for future movies will likely take a hit. And that will be perceived as negative.
    That's why they need to work on new characters. Recasting Steve Rogers would see heavy backlash, but having Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson take up the mantle of Captain America may not. I fully expect they will try that one first as a test and see how it goes over with the public before bringing in Ironheart or Cho.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    lolwut? Tony Stark was always a popular Character for years/decades before the movie adaptations.
    No he wasn't. His comics before the movie were selling like shit, for the casual he was "That man in the metallic suit that appeared in the 90s Spider-man Cartoon a few times."

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    Thor: https://www.cinemablend.com/news/247...ay-female-thor
    Captain America will be replaced by Falcon, using the name Captain America.
    Ironheart, which is the same exact thing as iron man only black, female, smarter, and younger.
    I wouldn't doubt if they bring in Cho as The Hulk as well since they're doing the rest of the dumpster fire.
    You must have missed that Thor is also in the next Thor movie. Jane Foster isn't "replacing" him. It seems she's getting Mjolnir...but Thor's got a better weapon now anyway.

    Captain America retired at the end of Endgame. That was already known before Endgame was released. Unlike in Comic Books...actors age. Chris Evans was going to give up the mantle sooner or later. The only question would be who gets the Shield...Sam or Bucky. Bucky still isn't 100% so Sam is the wiser choice. And it's still not certain if Sam will even take the name Captain America. Their Disney+ series is The Falcon and the Winter Soldier...not Captain America and the Winter Soldier.

    I haven't seen anything regarding Ironheart joining the MCU. Last I saw, Kevin Feige said there were currently no plans to bring her in.

    Cho hasn't been mentioned at all.

    And none of this would be pushing out older characters anyway. Chris Evans and RDJ both retired from their roles. There currently is no Captain America or Iron Man.

    So, still waiting on you to prove me wrong on anything. Mighty Casey strikes out again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alydael View Post
    So, he basically has to play second string or be part of a team? Then, take one of the great stories from the over 500 issues of Hulk comics and make him the most well developed second string in film history.

    I'm not even really the biggest Hulk fan (more of an X-Men fan), I do like him though. It just seems ridiculous that they have to ask for pitches for the Hulk when there are so many Hulk stories already out there.....
    Kinda ridiculous to take a Hulk storyline and throw the Hulk in as a secondary character. Makes more sense to put Hulk in another character's movie where he would be a Value add...like they did with Ragnarok. The took elements from the Planet Hulk storyline and weaved them into a movie about Thor.

  5. #145
    Evans also always knew he was gonna dip out after his contract was up because he wanted to get into producing and other acting roles that weren't captain America. I don't think it has much to do with where the character was going to go or anything … I just think he was tired of it which who can blame him, having all those spot lights on you has got to be overbearing.
    What is tank?

    "The basic idea of a tank is well understood. It works like an argument with my mother. The mobs keeps beating on you, and the more you throw it's own shit back at it, the more it focuses on you and hates you. Perplexing enough, this is actually not only your goal, but the mob eventually gives you loot and money when it dies instead of writing you out of its will." (Senotay)

    "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." -- William Shakespeare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    You must have missed that Thor is also in the next Thor movie. Jane Foster isn't "replacing" him. It seems she's getting Mjolnir...but Thor's got a better weapon now anyway.

    Captain America retired at the end of Endgame. That was already known before Endgame was released. Unlike in Comic Books...actors age. Chris Evans was going to give up the mantle sooner or later. The only question would be who gets the Shield...Sam or Bucky. Bucky still isn't 100% so Sam is the wiser choice. And it's still not certain if Sam will even take the name Captain America. Their Disney+ series is The Falcon and the Winter Soldier...not Captain America and the Winter Soldier.

    I haven't seen anything regarding Ironheart joining the MCU. Last I saw, Kevin Feige said there were currently no plans to bring her in.

    Cho hasn't been mentioned at all.

    And none of this would be pushing out older characters anyway. Chris Evans and RDJ both retired from their roles. There currently is no Captain America or Iron Man.

    So, still waiting on you to prove me wrong on anything. Mighty Casey strikes out again.

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    Kinda ridiculous to take a Hulk storyline and throw the Hulk in as a secondary character. Makes more sense to put Hulk in another character's movie where he would be a Value add...like they did with Ragnarok. The took elements from the Planet Hulk storyline and weaved them into a movie about Thor.
    "I don't believe you, so you're wrong"

    Same back at you.
    You know, it's kinda funny. On this forum you can question and criticize celebrities, developers, even governments. But only two you will net you instant infractions; religion and the actions of moderators. Really puts into perspective the literal god complexes we're dealing with here.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    BTW. One of the things that came out of this meeting between Feige and Ruffalo is to do a Hulk vs. Wolverine movie...
    That has me curious.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    That's why they need to work on new characters. Recasting Steve Rogers would see heavy backlash, but having Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson take up the mantle of Captain America may not.
    From a my comic book perspective I agree.
    But I don't think it's much debatable that Disney is focused much on the comic books. I'd say that they've tossed them out pretty much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    No he wasn't. His comics before the movie were selling like shit, for the casual he was "That man in the metallic suit that appeared in the 90s Spider-man Cartoon a few times."
    If you're focused on the 90s, then Marvel wasn't selling well at all by then.
    Bob Layton's run beginning the late 70s with Stark's alcoholism (Demon in a bottle) is a classic.

    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    That's a Disney problem.
    Or should I say the problem is trying to Disney-fy a violent rage monster that has little compunction with killing.
    The solution is to make his movies R-rated.
    They did a pretty good job portraying his rage in Avengers and Age of Ultron. He's violent but not graphic or bloody. I agree with @Alydael that there is enough source material for Hulk stories for Kevin Feige and Disney to draw from, and use it for Hulk in a supporting capacity. Look what they did in Thor: Ragnarok; Planet Hulk. Just because you're a supporting character, doesn't mean you can't have a compelling sub-plot and still have an important role. Hulk was great in Ragnarok. That's why the Academy awards Oscars to actors for playing a character in a supporting role.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    "I don't believe you, so you're wrong"

    Same back at you.
    I don't believe you because you haven't provided a shred of evidence. Back up your claims that they are following the "reboot" as you call it.

    There's been no announcement that Ironheart will be joining the MCU. Prove me wrong.
    There's been no announcement that Sam Wilson is going to be Captain America. Prove me wrong.
    There's been no announcement that Jane Foster will take over the role of Thor. Prove me wrong.
    There's been no announcement that Cho will even be in the MCu, much less take over the role of Hulk. Prove me wrong.



  10. #150
    Hulk was a comedy routine in Ragnarok.
    And that's the problem.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I don't believe you because you haven't provided a shred of evidence. Back up your claims that they are following the "reboot" as you call it.

    There's been no announcement that Ironheart will be joining the MCU. Prove me wrong.
    There's been no announcement that Sam Wilson is going to be Captain America. Prove me wrong.
    There's been no announcement that Jane Foster will take over the role of Thor. Prove me wrong.
    There's been no announcement that Cho will even be in the MCu, much less take over the role of Hulk. Prove me wrong.


    I posted the link showing who's going to be cast as (female)Thor, and listed the comics that they're pulling from. I don't give a rip if you believe me or not. Time is on my side, and time will prove me right.
    You know, it's kinda funny. On this forum you can question and criticize celebrities, developers, even governments. But only two you will net you instant infractions; religion and the actions of moderators. Really puts into perspective the literal god complexes we're dealing with here.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    I posted the link showing who's going to be cast as (female)Thor, and listed the comics that they're pulling from. I don't give a rip if you believe me or not. Time is on my side, and time will prove me right.
    Yeah, I read your article...did you?

    It’s unclear if this means Chris Hemsworth’s Thor will lose his power or if there will be two Thors operating simultaneously.
    Yes, Jane Foster will wield Mjolnir. Nothing else is certain. We already know that in the MCU Thor does not need Mjolnir to have his powers, nor does he lose his powers if someone else is wielding Mjolnir.

    Even in the comics Thor was still around...he was just no longer worthy of carrying Mjolnir. And, just like when Eric Masterson replaced him,
    eventually he gets the hammer back.
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  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Hulk was a comedy routine in Ragnarok.
    And that's the problem.
    Really?





    I mean, did he provide some comic relief? Yes, but what Marvel character doesn't? He had a highly contested fight with Thor. He was the second most prominently featured character in the movie. And he beat Fenrir. Hardly a joke or comedy routine. If he hadn't beaten Fenrir, Thor's people would have been eaten alive.

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    And she was called? Oh that's right, Thor
    You know, it's kinda funny. On this forum you can question and criticize celebrities, developers, even governments. But only two you will net you instant infractions; religion and the actions of moderators. Really puts into perspective the literal god complexes we're dealing with here.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Point of order: Tom Holland is the only actor to have played Peter Parker in the MCU and Ruffalo is the second actor to play Bruce Banner. The Toby Maguire/Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man and Eric Bana's Hulk movies are not MCU. Disney can and has recast actors when necessary... but generally speaking its frowned upon to do so. It's easier to maintain continuity when you don't have to introduce a new face playing an existing role.

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    Or maybe not. It's not like they've stopped making movies starring white males. Christ, you people are so sensitive....the second they release a movie where a White Male isn't the main star...it becomes "oh they're only interesting in making PC movies now". Grow up.
    Unfortunately... some people won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    Thor: https://www.cinemablend.com/news/247...ay-female-thor
    Captain America will be replaced by Falcon, using the name Captain America.
    Ironheart, which is the same exact thing as iron man only black, female, smarter, and younger.
    I wouldn't doubt if they bring in Cho as The Hulk as well since they're doing the rest of the dumpster fire.
    You are aware that not even one of those characters is a reboot right?

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    I wish Marvel would just take single issue comics and turn them into a Movie.

    Like Wolverine #8 with Gray Hulk. Would be a fun movie and have nothing to do with infinity gems. Just a fun Hulk and Wolverine movie. . . .

    THOUGht this said gay hulk.. now that would prob put butt in seats..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Yeah, I read your article...did you?



    Yes, Jane Foster will wield Mjolnir. Nothing else is certain. We already know that in the MCU Thor does not need Mjolnir to have his powers, nor does he lose his powers if someone else is wielding Mjolnir.

    Even in the comics Thor was still around...he was just no longer worthy of carrying Mjolnir. And, just like when Eric Masterson replaced him,
    eventually he gets the hammer back.
    This reminds me of that story from not too long about about the new James Bond movie. The one where headlines were something along the lines of "007 to be recast as a black woman!" and people lost their minds until they read the actual story to find what was really happening is the new Bond movie will be about Bond being forced to retire from MI-6 only to be called back in and find his old agent number of "007" has been given to a new agent who just happens to be a black female.

    The actual Thor story is that they are going to use the comic storyline where Thor Odinson became unworthy of wielding Mjolnir but Jane Foster is judged worthy so she picks it up and becomes the Thor for awhile while old Thor goes around under just the name Odinson with a different magic weapon until eventually he gets Mjolnir back and becomes Thor again while Jane becomes Valkyrie. But of course the headlines are "Natalie Portman to play Thor in next movie!"


    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    Except for the fact that they're now using the reboot, not covering a mantel briefly. Anything else I can prove you wrong about?
    I mean, this is exactly what you said ^ when there is zero evidence the movie will be any different than the comics where it was absolutely temporary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    You are aware that not even one of those characters is a reboot right?
    The comics were the rebooted marvel series. Thor, Hulk, Iron man, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    I mean, this is exactly what you said ^ when there is zero evidence the movie will be any different than the comics where it was absolutely temporary.
    They were only temporary because the comics failed and caused them to go nearly bankrupt. They were series reboots.
    You know, it's kinda funny. On this forum you can question and criticize celebrities, developers, even governments. But only two you will net you instant infractions; religion and the actions of moderators. Really puts into perspective the literal god complexes we're dealing with here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    The comics were the rebooted marvel series. Thor, Hulk, Iron man, etc.
    that's not how comic series work. a reboot is something like the new 52. a new comic run and a reboot are not the same thing if they were spiderman would have been rebooted like 7 times in the last 3 years.

    They were only temporary because the comics failed and caused them to go nearly bankrupt. They were series reboots.
    this is also comply untrue. fem thor kept steady sales and was planned to be temporary before she ever had the hammer. Iron heart was never meant to stay they made ti clear even in civil war 2 that tony wasn't gonna be gone for ever. Cho wasn't the first time the hulk was gone and no one thought he wasn't coming back.

    did you actually read any of these comics or even the comics that came before them?

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