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    Quote Originally Posted by minteK917 View Post
    Russia bot didnt make people that wouldnt vote for Trump vote for Trump. It made people that would have voted for Trump feel more justified to mobilise and take the time to vote.
    This whole Trump and Russia business is nothing more than propaganda by the Democrats because they don't want to admit that Hillary was a poor choice. They also don't like Bernie Sanders either. Elizabeth Warren has a vagina and nobody is subsisting over her like they did with Hillary, because she has similar policies to Bernie. The Democrats would rather you believe that Russians brain washed you into voting for Trump, by brain washing you to believe that's true. The reality is that a lot of Bernie bros were upset that Bernie didn't win and just didn't vote at all.
    Playing GTA 5 didnt make you a mass shooter, you were simply a mass shooter playing the game. Reading meinkauf doesent make you racist, you are a racist person reading meinkauf. The media is justifications for what you already agree to. People are trying to use it as a crutch to remove accountability for various things.
    Think for yourself, and don't let others do the thinking for you. You can play or read whatever it is you want, because anyone with half a brain knows that it's important to hear both sides of the argument. Sometimes you need a contrast to differentiate from good and bad. Hopefully you're not a terrible person and realize that killing people is wrong and that Hitler was a dick.
    If media can really change someone mind on a single thing, then it can change your mind on ANYTHING. You cant go around and pick and decide which one can or cannot.
    Media can influence that decision, but you're not some robot without a thinking mind. As an adult, you should be smart enough to know the value of thinking for yourself. Media does work to an extent, otherwise commercials wouldn't be a thing. That's what commercials do, they condition you to associate a product with something in real life. Soda is to Pepsi as Socialism is to Bernie Sanders. If you agree with this statement then you aren't thinking for yourself. Pepsi is sugar water and Bernie isn't socialist. People have a hard time breaking things down into their constitutional parts, and would rather have a familiar label they can understand quickly without putting the time and effort that is needed. Media can influence but by having an ad-blocker on your web browser and not watching TV, you essentially disconnect yourself from the biggest source of media influence. A infomercial on Facebook or on TV is no different.

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    Media backed by big names or political figureheads (Propaganda) have influence.

    And now echo chambers too with social media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aedrielle View Post
    You mean...news being sold as reality and truth isn't the same thing as video games being sold as fictional entertainment? H-how could that be?! How could such difference possibly matter! ^^

    Try explaining that to people who want to draw a false equivalence between the two based on some personal agenda.
    I hope by pointing it out, OP does some quick research into psychology, and various forms of mass media. But I'm skeptical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerissis View Post
    Flat earthers and anti-vaxxers weren’t born that way. Of course media influences you. Some people are easier influenced than others, but we are all affected. Why do you think commercials exist and marketing is big business? Playing a violent game won’t make a docile person a violent killer, but it can push someone over the edge that is already close to snapping. It also makes people more numb to pain and suffering, if you are confronted with violence from a young age.

    So yeah, not sure how you can think media doesn’t influence you.
    Depends on the person. I'm a cynical asshole who almost always thinks high profile stories especially with people claiming to be victims (like jussie smollet) almost always has an ulterior motive. Behind them. More so when they'd rather go on twitter then report the crime to police. In jussies case the police got involved when someone called on jussies behalf....oof.

    For legacy media and place like kotaku. A constant barrage of dumbass stories especially stories claiming you're -ist or -phobic if you like (x) eroded trust in them. Lets not forget kotakus infamous story of claming jokers theme song had the word "retarded" (they of course called it a slur) but didn't bother to research for a minute to figure it out. That's another oof

    Another great example is the "controversy" the media did for joker. oh no this movie will make Incels riot. Oh no white people will go crazy, etc what happened? Not a damn thing and the joker made a billion bucks off fearmongering....oof.
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    If media didn't have an effect billions of dollars in advertising wouldn't be spent on it.
    "Intellect alone is useless in a fight...you can't even break a rule, how can you be expected to break bone" Khan Singh

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    Media didn't seem to have the effect on trump winning. You'd think when they all made fun on him for months and showed win polls of 95% for Hilary or whatever, that it would make a difference in their favour, guess it didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minteK917 View Post
    then its settled, they make you violent too.
    Can you explain your rationale for this conclusion?

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    It used to.

    Then the internet happened where people could make up bullshit and create cults and millions of lonely men and women flocked to it that probably shouldn’t have.

    You walk down the street and you see some crazy guy yelling something.
    You chat with your holocaust denying uncle who can’t be quiet.
    The KKK is alive and well.
    Schizophrenia Is rampant.

    All of these people can now jump onto google, type in a few words, and basically join a cult, one that says everything you want to hear.

    Why the hell would anyone go back to msnbc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by minteK917 View Post
    I had a dicussion with a friend about ancient bigoted work and stories. My friend clear view was that in essence celebrating them and letting them live on simply reinforce the continuation of things. However i dont believe so, we stopped the debate when i brought the point that this friend and most people including myself, dont believe video game makes you violent? So if Media cannot make you violent, why would to make you anything else?

    I read a lot for fun, im not gona claim im an expert on the issue. But as far as i could learn, an adult mind is very hard to change. Most of the time so hard even truth shown in front of a person is not enough to overwrite the part of your brain that rationalise everything you do and think. Only massive shock is enough to change someone opinion. Influence is like hypnosis, it only works on someone willing. So no matter how aweful a work, it wouldnt turn someone that believes the opposite of it, to suddenly believe it. Only when you are open to such value can you be influenced. Nobody is immune to propagenda, however you are all immune to propagenda that goes into direct conflict with your beliefs as an adult.

    So what is the real effect of media then? As far as i can tell all it does is reinforce what your mind already agreed to. Russia bot didnt make people that wouldnt vote for Trump vote for Trump. It made people that would have voted for Trump feel more justified to mobilise and take the time to vote. Playing GTA 5 didnt make you a mass shooter, you were simply a mass shooter playing the game. Reading meinkauf doesent make you racist, you are a racist person reading meinkauf. The media is justifications for what you already agree to. People are trying to use it as a crutch to remove accountability for various things.

    If media can really change someone mind on a single thing, then it can change your mind on ANYTHING. You cant go around and pick and decide which one can or cannot.

    If someone can tell me im wrong with clear examples, id actually like to be able to read a serious piece about it?
    Serious question, not wanting to bait, or be toxic, or whatever, but.... how young are you that this is a serious question?

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