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    that slot is there for new allied races in 9.0, they said they will keep going with the feature, there is nothing implying they have to fulfill that spot before 9.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    that slot is there for new allied races in 9.0, they said they will keep going with the feature, there is nothing implying they have to fulfill that spot before 9.0
    They also said that they currently don't have any plans for allied races in 9.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    They also said that they currently don't have any plans for allied races in 9.0
    from the start yes, they said things "can change if make it sense"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    Did you play the Alliance storyline? We save their leader's life and safeguard one of the "keys".

    Sure, the Horde questline with them is more involved, because it's their zone. But there's more than enough there to justify them joining Alliance with a little more push in future plots or their recruitment questline. And Hearthstone has linked them to Uldum, so there could be enough justification there for the Uldum Accord rep to get them in.

    After void elves, a race that literally didn't exist until the recruitment scenario took a Horde race and turned them blue (and linked them to a completely unrelated reputation), the sky is kind of the limit on what can be stretched for allied race purposes.

    Sethrak would be a fantastic race for the Alliance, would break up the "humans and friends" rut that the faction is in, and would somewhat make up for getting two wildly unpopular races in a row.
    Yes i did and horde actually do exactly the same thing, they also save their leader and safeguard one key plus a lot more and as future plot well i said in children week with is somek ind of later in the story of bfa you bring your zandalari kid say hello to the sethrak leaders

    And well no i mean you use arguement that belf joined the horde but if they did its because kael thas left the alliance during war3 because he was nearly executed

    As for the NB its because they have more link with the blood elfs storywhile because they also had to deal with magic addiction and Tyrande also btiched at Thalyssra as for the void elves well they left silvermoon thecnically they are high elves who were exiled and just taped into void magic

    But if you compare the sethrak with the alliance there is no way they join them unlike the horde when they have lot of links with them

    Anyway i highly sethrak are gonna happen for horde or alliance =p

    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    that slot is there for new allied races in 9.0, they said they will keep going with the feature, there is nothing implying they have to fulfill that spot before 9.0
    Actually they didnt say 9.0 but they said "we are slowing down on ar but if they make sense in shadowlands we might add more there" so it mean not much actually =p

    And we are not talking abotu shadowlands here
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  5. #325
    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    Not really anything extravagant but this image is from the 8.3 PTR in regards to the Allied Race character creation screen:





    The open spaces at the bottom scream to me at least 1 more Allied race per faction is coming. I also could not imagine they would not come in Shadowlands as Allied Races were marketed as a Battle for Azeroth feature and Blizzard has already stated the initial/beginning story of Shadowlands doesn't really allow for new Allied Races.


    Or I could just be over thinking things and it's just a PTR mishap. /shrug


    Now that Vulpera are being added given the almost 2 years debate over them even being wanted/unwanted by the WoW community I feel as all bets are off in terms of what races would "fit" to be added. That being said I can still see either:


    -- Jinyu for the Alliance, Hozen for the Horde


    -- Ankoan for the Alliance, Kelfin for the Horde


    ...or a combination nobody has thought of yet.


    Thoughts? 2 more races incoming? Or just a coincidence?
    Ogres for Horde (using the Kul'Tiran model) and who knows what else for Alliance, but no more elves. 12 races per faction as of 8.3. 12 classes. I think that space may lie dormant until it's 13/13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Machine View Post
    Possibly.

    High Elves for Alliance.
    As much as I would like that to be a thing, I don't think it'll ever happen. Not with the Void Elves (which are awesome) already added, and the possibility of High Elf options coming to Blood Elves in Shadowlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zalendra View Post
    And well no i mean you use arguement that belf joined the horde but if they did its because kael thas left the alliance during war3 because he was nearly executed
    I mean no, I use the argument that blood elves joined the horde and then an indefinite number of them were twisted by void powers and joined the Alliance again, all of which happened entirely within their recruitment scenario and with absolutely no indication that they even existed before said scenario started.

    Therefore, Sethrak already have more story potential to be added to the Alliance than void elves ever did, considering they were literally on the other faction to begin with. My point being, shaky lore justification is in no way a disqualification for any race, but especially Sethrak who do have concrete history with the Alliance to build on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    I mean no, I use the argument that blood elves joined the horde and then an indefinite number of them were twisted by void powers and joined the Alliance again, all of which happened entirely within their recruitment scenario and with absolutely no indication that they even existed before said scenario started.

    Therefore, Sethrak already have more story potential to be added to the Alliance than void elves ever did, considering they were literally on the other faction to begin with. My point being, shaky lore justification is in no way a disqualification for any race, but especially Sethrak who do have concrete history with the Alliance to build on.
    The only real purpose of the void elves was to make an halfway between giving the high elves to alliance who asked it since wlk or even vanilla without making a complete copy pasta of the blood elves, thats all what behind the fact they come out of nowhere

    And if sethrak have potential story with alliance then what about the potential they have to join horde? Actually believe me or not but even during the 7.1.5 when i was raiding in Nighthold i said to friends that NB will bep layable and will most likely be horde because they were hints there and there but no one believed me they said it wil be alliance

    And you know the story =p
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    @Zalendra, why do you think the Sethrak are more likely to go with the Horde? i mean... the Alliance also does the quest where you save the "head" of the "Good" Sethrak.

    The Horde spend a lot of time hunting down the Evil ones with the Vulpera, and the Vulpera really dislike the Sethrak (for good reason).

    The Sethrak relation with the Zandalari empire was mostly lost after the Sethrak loa died, the only other Zandalari that worked with the Sethrak or still share their believes, are those that are exiled to Voldun, though if i remember correctly, we do see the head of the exiled in Zandalar after Talanji coronation, and with the revival of the Sethrak loa, we may see more trolls worshiping her, so that could make both groups rejoin. but if i'm not wrong, during Talanji coronation, we do not see the Sethrak anywhere

    Note: When you make the Alliance outpost in Voldun, the commander mentions that they may look for allies in the locals, so that's a soft hint there for the Sethrak on the Alliance
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  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Zalendra View Post
    And if sethrak have potential story with alliance then what about the potential they have to join horde?
    Sure, that's fine, honestly I just love snakes and want to see them playable regardless of faction.

    I think they would mesh better with the Alliance though, and bring more interesting variety to that faction, and after Horde just got a brand new race in the Vulpera it would be even more stupidly unbalanced for them to go and get another one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    I think they would mesh better with the Alliance though, and bring more interesting variety to that faction, and after Horde just got a brand new race in the Vulpera it would be even more stupidly unbalanced for them to go and get another one.
    Why would the mesh better with the Alliance? culture wise they do look more like an Horde race, even more when you put them alongside the Zandalari, and when it comes to the "brand new race", that's not a big deal, the Alliance just need their own cool race that everyone have been asking for years, i'm looking at you Vrykuls (the Varlajar faction mainly, they are quite the "Ally race")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilian View Post
    Why would the mesh better with the Alliance?
    They seem more civilized to me, and more faith-based. Similar to the Zandalari in many ways, but with less of a focus on conquest (at least, the friendly ones anyways). I could see Vorrik and Velen getting along famously. And they're undeniably a good counter to Vulpera with the whole "Snakes and Foxes" thing (any WoT fans out there?).

    Vrykul are fine I guess, but when you get down to it they're just humans but bigger. We just got a race that was just humans but fatter and hardly anybody likes or plays it. I just think the Alliance needs something new and unexplored rather than the endless human brigade, and WoW's first reptilian race would check that box in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    They seem more civilized to me, and more faith-based. Similar to the Zandalari in many ways, but with less of a focus on conquest (at least, the friendly ones anyways). I could see Vorrik and Velen getting along famously. And they're undeniably a good counter to Vulpera with the whole "Snakes and Foxes" thing (any WoT fans out there?).
    I do agree that they are a great counter for the Vulpera, and the Alliance had in their favor that they were the first ones to meet Vorrik and safe him from the poison, but the Horde also saves him, and do many more things with him, like deal with the whole Faithless problem and we are even the ones that are send to revive his Loa, so... i can only see the Sethrak joining the Alliance, if Vorrik dies and someone else takes his position as the head, bonus point if they have a low opinion on Vulperas

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    Vrykul are fine I guess, but when you get down to it they're just humans but bigger. We just got a race that was just humans but fatter and hardly anybody likes or plays it. I just think the Alliance needs something new and unexplored rather than the endless human brigade, and WoW's first reptilian race would check that box in my opinion.
    I do agree that they are, in the end, just another flavor of humans, but unlike Kultiran, Vrykul is a heavy requested race and is quite popular, so i don't think is fair to compare them.

    Also they are the third reptilian race in wow, Naga and Sliths exists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilian View Post
    @Zalendra, why do you think the Sethrak are more likely to go with the Horde? i mean... the Alliance also does the quest where you save the "head" of the "Good" Sethrak.

    The Horde spend a lot of time hunting down the Evil ones with the Vulpera, and the Vulpera really dislike the Sethrak (for good reason).

    The Sethrak relation with the Zandalari empire was mostly lost after the Sethrak loa died, the only other Zandalari that worked with the Sethrak or still share their believes, are those that are exiled to Voldun, though if i remember correctly, we do see the head of the exiled in Zandalar after Talanji coronation, and with the revival of the Sethrak loa, we may see more trolls worshiping her, so that could make both groups rejoin. but if i'm not wrong, during Talanji coronation, we do not see the Sethrak anywhere

    Note: When you make the Alliance outpost in Voldun, the commander mentions that they may look for allies in the locals, so that's a soft hint there for the Sethrak on the Alliance
    First alliance saved the leader of the good setrhaks ok while horde did what?
    1 Save the leader of the good sethrkas
    2 Kill the leader of the bad sethraks
    3 Restore their loa Sethralis (they are the only one with the quest alliance dotn have quest in dungeon)
    4 Kill Mythrax since horde again have quest in uldir while alliance dont have any

    About the relaitonship between the vulperas and the sethrak they were bad between the vulperas and the bad sethrak but are good bewteen the vulperas and the good sethrak

    The relaiton bewteen the sethrak empire and the zandalari empire are also healed due to the fact the zandalari ckilled their corrupted leader aned restored sethralis

    In the zandalari recruitement questline you have sethrak being part of the ceremony to make talanji queen of the zandalari empire and when gonk talk about the allies they made you have sethrak showing up

    Then again as horde during children week you bring your little zandalari kid to see the avatar of sethralis and the leader of the good sethraks

    Plus one interessting thing is that the reputaiton in vol'dun is called voldunai its not vulperas or the sethraks its voldunai meaning the ppl that live here "atal'ai devoted ones, dazar'ai devoted to dazar" so voldunai might mean the ones from vol'dun

    You have all of thoses points that drag them closer to the horde and im sure i missed some other points while on the alliance side what you have? 5 quests and a potential hints thats a bit too little no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    They seem more civilized to me, and more faith-based. Similar to the Zandalari in many ways, but with less of a focus on conquest (at least, the friendly ones anyways). I could see Vorrik and Velen getting along famously. And they're undeniably a good counter to Vulpera with the whole "Snakes and Foxes" thing (any WoT fans out there?).
    Ho because the zandalari arent more "civilized"? and the zandalari are totally fath based yes so ttally like zandalari and if sethrak would join we are taking about the good sethraks and they have no problmes with the ulperas so the arguements that vulperas are agaisnt sethrak dont make sense

    As for Vrykuls here we are =) i would totally let the vrykuls be in the alliance they are so close to the humans in my sense i would love to see vrykuls in the alliance and mogu in the horde =)

    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    Vrykul are fine I guess, but when you get down to it they're just humans but bigger. We just got a race that was just humans but fatter and hardly anybody likes or plays it. I just think the Alliance needs something new and unexplored rather than the endless human brigade, and WoW's first reptilian race would check that box in my opinion.
    This part of yotur message sound like you totally bring up sethrak in the alliance just "to have the first repitlian race and avoid the human brigade" totally regardless of the any lore or logicial reasons ><
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zalendra View Post
    Actually they didnt say 9.0 but they said "we are slowing down on ar but if they make sense in shadowlands we might add more there" so it mean not much actually =p
    they always say thing like that, like, "we don't plan vulpera" and "we only add if make sense" and they put later

    And we are not talking abotu shadowlands here
    its impossible to not talk about it too

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    There will undoubtedly be more Allied Races past the final BFA pair in Shadowlands and beyond just not at the 9.0 patch(probably) they're happy with the reception the AR's have gotten overall, which honestly was one of the few good things to come of BFA. But it is still likely that the empty slots on the character select screen will be filled during the 8.3.5 pre patch for shadowlands. The two races will most likely have some tie in to the upcoming expansion or the scourge incursions happening all over azeroth. I'm guessing a heavy death theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilian View Post
    Also they are the third reptilian race in wow, Naga and Sliths exists
    I meant the first playable one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zalendra View Post
    This part of yotur message sound like you totally bring up sethrak in the alliance just "to have the first repitlian race and avoid the human brigade" totally regardless of the any lore or logicial reasons ><
    I mean obviously the main reason I want to play them is because I think they look cool and would diversify the Alliance.

    I'm not arguing that they make more sense from a lore point of view to go Horde as the current lore stands. But the story can go sideways real quick, as we've all seen, so I don't think it disqualifies them at all and I would rather see them on the Alliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    High Elf + Night Elf undead
    The setup is there in 8.3, it fits the next xpack aswell.
    How does high elf fit into the next expansion?

    If we get another pair in the next coming months, it will Most likely going to be either hozen/jinyu since that area plays directly into the next patch. Could also do a gilgoblin/ankoan pair as well though I wouldn't really be that big of a fan of it because I'm just not a fan of gilgoblins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zalendra View Post
    In the zandalari recruitement questline you have sethrak being part of the ceremony to make talanji queen of the zandalari empire and when gonk talk about the allies they made you have sethrak showing up
    This is false, they do not appear in Talanji coronation questline, nor they are mentioned by Gonk (He mention both the Vulpera and the Tortollan and then the Horde) , that's my main reason to believe that they may end up allied with others, as it felt weird that they were excluded for no reason. (though by the time Talanji is being given the title queen, the Zandalari does not have relationship with the Sethrak, maybe after the coronation, things change)


    Then again as horde during children week you bring your little zandalari kid to see the avatar of sethralis and the leader of the good sethraks

    Plus one interessting thing is that the reputaiton in vol'dun is called voldunai its not vulperas or the sethraks its voldunai meaning the ppl that live here "atal'ai devoted ones, dazar'ai devoted to dazar" so voldunai might mean the ones from vol'dun
    Didn't know the children's week stuff, quite interesting, and you do have a point with the voldunai stuff, but in the other hand, we do use that reputation to get the Vulpera in the Horde and we don't see any Sethrak involved in the whole questline.

    Either way, i do agree that the Sethrak are more likely to be Horde based on who did all the stuff for them
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostSinclair View Post
    There will undoubtedly be more Allied Races past the final BFA pair in Shadowlands and beyond just not at the 9.0 patch(probably) they're happy with the reception the AR's have gotten overall, which honestly was one of the few good things to come of BFA. But it is still likely that the empty slots on the character select screen will be filled during the 8.3.5 pre patch for shadowlands. The two races will most likely have some tie in to the upcoming expansion or the scourge incursions happening all over azeroth. I'm guessing a heavy death theme.
    Well not necessarily i mean the mech gnomes and the vulperas have no tie with the 8.3 patche, for me it make more sense that we unlock ar after the main content they have been added into the game as reputaiton regardless of the future events or the event happenning (outside of the unlockment quest)

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilian View Post
    This is false, they do not appear in Talanji coronation questline, nor they are mentioned by Gonk (He mention both the Vulpera and the Tortollan and then the Horde) , that's my main reason to believe that they may end up allied with others, as it felt weird that they were excluded for no reason. (though by the time Talanji is being given the title queen, the Zandalari does not have relationship with the Sethrak, maybe after the coronation, things change)


    Didn't know the children's week stuff, quite interesting, and you do have a point with the voldunai stuff, but in the other hand, we do use that reputation to get the Vulpera in the Horde and we don't see any Sethrak involved in the whole questline.

    Either way, i do agree that the Sethrak are more likely to be Horde based on who did all the stuff for them
    Well, i didnt ment the sethraks were part of the questline as main characters but if you look around in all the ppl gathering in the ceremony you can see the sethraks are here, and the crowning of talanji happen after the event in vol'dun since they happen after the battle of dazar'alor and you do see when talanji ascend the tower with all the loas that you have sethralis and a sethrak priest chilling around thats what i was pointing out plus you have after you finished the quest in vol'dun 2 sethrak npc in dazar'alor one in the room wiuth the loas who is a follower and sethralis and one namec Aliya in the market
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