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    Quote Originally Posted by Tietoso View Post
    We all get it, you liked this below than average movie. And that is fine. I also really like terrible movies like pearl harbor.
    But don't try to make it seem as it is any good. The movie as I mentioned is average at best especially since its mostly an action movie and Natasha is a human but it seems like she has superpowers, surviving most of the hits she takes which is ridiculous, especially with movies like mission impossible or John wick out there.

    On the subject. Very horrible how they keep genderbending or just mutilating characters for the sake of the woke bible. They did Taskmaster horrible, they might just invent a new character instead of butchering others, they basically deadpooled taskmaster, and its the Wolvering version of deadpool (ugh)
    Relax dude. Characters diet from each continuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Because I don't have to cherry pick the MCU apart. It's silly shitty treatment speaks for itself. And what's your excuse for all that Disney love you have? Are you such a child in that they can't do anything wrong in your eyes no matter how ridiculous or stupid?
    I happily criticize stuff Disney/Marvel produces that deserves the criticism. Weird for you to make a sweeping claim that I don't. Do you need a list from me as evidence or can we agree that you're just writing from behind your weird MCU rage?

    Maybe just calm down and stop watching MCU stuff if you hate it so much. Why do that to yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tietoso View Post

    On the subject. Very horrible how they keep genderbending or just mutilating characters for the sake of the woke bible. They did Taskmaster horrible, they might just invent a new character instead of butchering others, they basically deadpooled taskmaster, and its the Wolvering version of deadpool (ugh)
    Genderswapping Taskmaster was not the issue. Taskmaster could have been fine as a woman. The issue was turning her into a mindless drone. So yeah, giving the Wolverine Origins Deadpool treatment to Taskmaster was a huge problem...but that has nothing to do with being "woke"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Genderswapping Taskmaster was not the issue. Taskmaster could have been fine as a woman. The issue was turning her into a mindless drone. So yeah, giving the Wolverine Origins Deadpool treatment to Taskmaster was a huge problem...but that has nothing to do with being "woke"
    I liked what they did with Taskmaster, but I like it less now that you point this out. She could've been WAAAY better with some actual dialog other than the one final line. I think silent while fighting may make for a cool effect by making Taskmaster feel more dangerous/frightening, but imagine if she came after Natasha in that first fight scene and made it verbally clear she was chock full of rage towards BW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    I liked what they did with Taskmaster, but I like it less now that you point this out. She could've been WAAAY better with some actual dialog other than the one final line. I think silent while fighting may make for a cool effect by making Taskmaster feel more dangerous/frightening, but imagine if she came after Natasha in that first fight scene and made it verbally clear she was chock full of rage towards BW?
    The problem is that she just came across like a watered-down Winter Soldier. Like, we've done the silent and unstoppable killing machine bit already. Taskmaster is like Deadpool and Spider-Man...constantly chattering away during a fight. Bragging, mocking, etc.

    Rage wouldn't be the thing I would want from Taskmaster. I would want mocking contempt. Effortlessly blocking/avoiding everything Nat can throw at her while boasting about how much better she is than BW. Pulling out moves that we've seen from BP, Cap, Hawkeye, Spider-Man, etc. It's too bad we won't see Black Knight until the Eternals comes out...because mixing some of that kind of swordplay in with the shield moves she got from watching Cap would have been awesome. That's the Taskmaster I wanted to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    The problem is that she just came across like a watered-down Winter Soldier. Like, we've done the silent and unstoppable killing machine bit already. Taskmaster is like Deadpool and Spider-Man...constantly chattering away during a fight. Bragging, mocking, etc.

    Rage wouldn't be the thing I would want from Taskmaster. I would want mocking contempt. Effortlessly blocking/avoiding everything Nat can throw at her while boasting about how much better she is than BW. Pulling out moves that we've seen from BP, Cap, Hawkeye, Spider-Man, etc. It's too bad we won't see Black Knight until the Eternals comes out...because mixing some of that kind of swordplay in with the shield moves she got from watching Cap would have been awesome. That's the Taskmaster I wanted to see.
    Well, I went with rage to be consistent with the incarnation of Taskmaster they went with for this movie, which personality-wise is very much not the comic version of Taskmaster.

    I get wanting a more comic faithful version though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    Well, I went with rage to be consistent with the incarnation of Taskmaster they went with for this movie, which personality-wise is very much not the comic version of Taskmaster.

    I get wanting a more comic faithful version though.
    There's just better characters that fit with the concept they had for this movie. That's my issue. They promised Taskmaster and they delivered something else. It was just the wrong fir for this movie. Probably would have been better to save Taskmaster for the Hawkeye series....considering Clint is more of a weapons master than Natasha is. They could have had some cool duels.

    But those are my issues. Doesn't mean other people can't have their own thoughts and feelings about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Did you end up doing any stunt work?
    No. I wasn't in the southwest for long. That was the only call that came in for the short time I was there and that sounded like a good way to get road rash and have a really bad time training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    Marvel movies range from Logan to Deadpool.
    Neither of those were produced by Marvel Studios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    Definitely agree. I didn't realize it was a male stunt double until the snarky poster (can't remember the name) mentioned it. Maybe it was obvious to some people, but I definitely didn't notice it.
    What? You actually figured out that Taskmaster was female before the actual reveal of her identity?

    Because till that point, the character looked like a man, moved like a man, fought like a man. It was obviously intended, in order to have a huge impact on BW when the revelation happened.

    And don't tell me they hired Kurylenko for her actual acting skills, since we just got one scene with her face on screen. They definitely casted her because of her height (and status, they wouldn't hire a tall nobody), so that when the revelation happened, we could accept that "so, it was a woman after all, and a tall one at that".

    I'm not advocating for the silly "trans" poster, but unless you already knew who was playing the role, you couldn't discern that the character on screen was a woman. Even a tall one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    I liked what they did with Taskmaster, but I like it less now that you point this out. She could've been WAAAY better with some actual dialog other than the one final line. I think silent while fighting may make for a cool effect by making Taskmaster feel more dangerous/frightening, but imagine if she came after Natasha in that first fight scene and made it verbally clear she was chock full of rage towards BW?
    Wouldn't happen. The character was after the vials, not Natasha.
    /spit@Blizzard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Neither of those were produced by Marvel Studios.
    Where did Ro9ue say they were? Please point it out.
    Marvel movies range from Logan to Deadpool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    What? You actually figured out that Taskmaster was female before the actual reveal of her identity?

    Because till that point, the character looked like a man, moved like a man, fought like a man. It was obviously intended, in order to have a huge impact on BW when the revelation happened.

    And don't tell me they hired Kurylenko for her actual acting skills, since we just got one scene with her face on screen. They definitely casted her because of her height (and status, they wouldn't hire a tall nobody), so that when the revelation happened, we could accept that "so, it was a woman after all, and a tall one at that".

    I'm not advocating for the silly "trans" poster, but unless you already knew who was playing the role, you couldn't discern that the character on screen was a woman. Even a tall one.
    I suspected from the first trailer, but I honestly couldn't tell you why. The only "tell" I got from how Taskmaster moved is that I was wondering if they were going to reveal it was a robot and not even human.

    For me I just don't feel I automatically assume gender based on outfit and gait. I'd quibble with the concept of "fought like a man", but ultimately you're not arguing in favor of the original point I was knocking down so I'm not terribly interested in debating it with you

    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    Wouldn't happen. The character was after the vials, not Natasha.
    Not in the movie as presented, no. But if they had decided Taskmaster was helping Dreykov of her own free will rather than controlled, it could have happened, which I think is more along the lines of the thought exercise I was responding to when I wrote that. But yeah, she was basically a zombie in the film.

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    I liked this film, I thought that the acting and directing was very good, shame about the bad writing being riddled with continuity errors and plot holes.

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    It was set in the mid-90s, hence why they used a computer running Windows 2000 :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    And don't tell me they hired Kurylenko for her actual acting skills, since we just got one scene with her face on screen.
    Actually they pretty much did. Kurylenko is very good at doing the silent stuff. If you wanted an actress to just give to stare at you with fucked up eyes she's pretty much at the top of the list (shared with Marion Cotillard). Go watch Centurion if you want 90+ minutes of Kurylenko giving the stink eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tietoso View Post
    On the subject. Very horrible how they keep genderbending or just mutilating characters for the sake of the woke bible. They did Taskmaster horrible, they might just invent a new character instead of butchering others, they basically deadpooled taskmaster, and its the Wolvering version of deadpool (ugh)
    They did make an entirely new character: Antonia Dreykov, the Red Room's taskmaster. Notice the small "t".

    She's not even Tony Masters. Or even Toni Masters (a theoretical female version). Seriously did you honestly think the Red Room would use some American dude to be their ultimate enforcer? Hell my only issue with the change is that she's horribly under-utilized. You really don't get to see her fight all that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Actually they pretty much did. Kurylenko is very good at doing the silent stuff. If you wanted an actress to just give to stare at you with fucked up eyes she's pretty much at the top of the list (shared with Marion Cotillard). Go watch Centurion if you want 90+ minutes of Kurylenko giving the stink eye.
    Quite a stretch to make such a claim. They know the reason, we just speculate.
    /spit@Blizzard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    Quite a stretch to make such a claim. They know the reason, we just speculate.
    Considering she’s still running around I suspect this won’t be her only appearance in the MCU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    They did make an entirely new character: Antonia Dreykov, the Red Room's taskmaster. Notice the small "t".

    She's not even Tony Masters. Or even Toni Masters (a theoretical female version). Seriously did you honestly think the Red Room would use some American dude to be their ultimate enforcer? Hell my only issue with the change is that she's horribly under-utilized. You really don't get to see her fight all that much.
    Yeah, the actual powers of Taskmaster as we know it are mentioned as a throwaway line in Black Widow... and that's it. Are they used? Only part that I noticed on my first viewing was at the very beginning with the bridge fight scene when they disengage to make space: they used the same spin move. However, there's a good case that this isn't even an ability usage as every bloody Widow uses similar fighting styles and techniques (as is show when they're doing movement training in the Red Room).

    However, I'm not going to say it's an entirely new character on purpose, as the baiting was very obvious, right down to the outfit and the Taskmaster Protocol. The hints were all there, but the execution is terrible to where it's only Taskmaster by reference. What are the powers of Taskmaster in Black Widow based upon what we she and what she does? She's basically just another Widow with a chip grafted on her neck, nothing more, nothing less... heck, even the magic red stuff works on her despite being hardwired. There is nothing exceptional about the character at all beyond slightly better plot armor and a slightly better ability to *poof* to where she needs to be for a scene to happen compared to other Widows.

    One part that bugged me was trying to figure out how much Kurylenko was actually playing Taskmaster in the scenes we saw. When Natasha and Taskmaster are squaring off in the Red Room and Taskmaster's mask comes off, we get a hard cut to wide-angle shot where it's just both of them in the shot staring at each other... and it's insanely obvious that Kurylenko's head and neck are CGI'd onto the body (because it's very bad CGI and doesn't line up properly). I'm starting to think they only did shoulder shots with her, and that 99% of the time she literally isn't there, even for non-action scenes. Makes me wonder if the scenes were shot with a different actor and fixed in post to be replaced with Kurylenko and maybe a couple late reshoots... and I could think of several reasons why they would (none of them are good though). Conspiracy theorist in me would say that Taskmaster was originally a guy, but that didn't mesh well with the diversity mantra and messaging the film was going for, especially in light of commentary by the creators that was going around prior to and after the movie's release. I mean even the scenes at the end with the Widows and the 'evil plot' completely don't work if Taskmaster is a man, so you would have to do CGI and reshoots if that message changed partway through production.

    I suppose the worst part about everything is that this could have been relatively easy win, even with its current release window. However, it's holding up Marvel's current writing streak of... well, terrible writing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exochaft View Post
    Yeah, the actual powers of Taskmaster as we know it are mentioned as a throwaway line in Black Widow... and that's it. Are they used?
    Yes. She specifically fights like the other Widows, Hawkeye and Captain America. Do they do a good job of representing that? Not really.

    Its a bit baffling that they can do a pretty decent job of a skybase disintegrating mid-air, some good vehicular work but most of the melee combat scenes are kinda lame. The only one I enjoyed was the Nat-Yelena fight in the safe house.

    Quote Originally Posted by exochaft View Post
    She's basically just another Widow with a chip grafted on her neck, nothing more, nothing less... heck, even the magic red stuff works on her despite being hardwired. There is nothing exceptional about the character at all beyond slightly better plot armor and a slightly better ability to *poof* to where she needs to be for a scene to happen compared to other Widows.
    She's strong enough to give a trained, superhumanly strong individual a very hard fight. She's not just another Widow. That's not to say that the TM/Guardian fight was interesting but I imagine that most people would get splatted by the Girthy Guardian.

    Quote Originally Posted by exochaft View Post
    Conspiracy theorist in me would say that Taskmaster was originally a guy, but that didn't mesh well with the diversity mantra and messaging the film was going for, especially in light of commentary by the creators that was going around prior to and after the movie's release. I mean even the scenes at the end with the Widows and the 'evil plot' completely don't work if Taskmaster is a man, so you would have to do CGI and reshoots if that message changed partway through production.
    Its not unknown for action set pieces to be filmed before even a real script is in place (*cough*X3*cough*). I don't really expect a body-armoured character to have its stunts done by the actor.

    There's no diversity mantra. I figured out that TM was Antonia well before the reveal. To me she's another Widow, just substantially more dangerous. It works within in the context of the movie. Its not well executed but at least the character has some potential.

    People really need to get over their persona hang ups. The way I see it the personality known as Tony Masters is still unutilized. He's a completely different person than Antonia. This isn't like Deadpool in Wolverine Origins. They took Wade, made us think we were getting the smart ass we like and then just did something stupid with him.

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    Honestly I liked it. It wasnt the best marvel film, but it was still fun to watch.

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/scarlet...se-11627579278

    Wasn't this known for a very long time? Several months in fact?

    I guess the lawsuit came a bit after release to see actual numbers from the initial release?
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