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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Mm so there can be bias in hiring you’re saying?
    Absolutely. Which isn't a Indian thing, it's a shit manager thing, but a very likely thing to find when an Indian manager gets to a high position.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    Absolutely. Which isn't a Indian thing, it's a shit manager thing, but a very likely thing to find when an Indian manager gets to a high position.
    Look at Google high rank management.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I'm Indian, I came to this country when I was 3. My father came tot he U.S. when he was 28, on a student visa, and then on an H-1B once he graduated, which led to his green card and eventually citizenship. He could think corners around anyone in his bank, and was eventually promoted to upper management. It's not his fault he was smarter than the white guys in the room.

    Chinese have baidu.com and HongMeng. By now India should have Indian search engine and operating system when 70% H-1B visas go to Indian IT/Tech workers.

    From what I have read Giant Indian IT/Tech companies Infosys, TCS etc.. open office buildings in USA and 70% employees are Indians. Their family life is disturbed. Their wives come to USA. Then green card and U.S citizenship. Indian companies must open office buildings in India when they want 70% Indian workers.

    Vodafone India (300 million subscribers) has $7 billion loss in 3 months of 2019. Big player Reliance Jio has increased tariffs by +40%. Whole Indian telecom industry is shaken and scared. Indian parliament is running here and there. That shows how good Indian managers are.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by LiasMeh View Post
    Look at Google high rank management.


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    Chinese have baidu.com and HongMeng. By now India should have Indian search engine and operating system when 70% H-1B visas go to Indian IT/Tech workers.

    From what I have read Giant Indian IT/Tech companies Infosys, TCS etc.. open office buildings in USA and 70% employees are Indians. Their family life is disturbed. Their wives come to USA. Then green card and U.S citizenship. Indian companies must open office buildings in India when they want 70% Indian workers.

    Vodafone India (300 million subscribers) has $7 billion loss in 3 months of 2019. Big player Reliance Jio has increased tariffs by +40%. Whole Indian telecom industry is shaken and scared. Indian parliament is running here and there. That shows how good Indian managers are.
    Careful, you may get called a xenophobic racist for pointing these facts out... been that way for years with the pro-H1B shills.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    Careful, you may get called a xenophobic racist for pointing these facts out... been that way for years with the pro-H1B shills.
    Vodafone India (300 million subscribers) has $7 billion loss in 3 months of 2019 will shut up the pros.

    Billionaire K Birla said "Vodafone may shut down" at the Business summit in India. All those high profile MBAs were there.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by LiasMeh View Post
    If I get to live in USA for 10 years, I will happily go to South America or Africa when the stay expires. The problem is these H1-B visas come for jobs and then they want green card or U.S citizenship or 20 years stay.
    Great, that's how freedom and capitalism should work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    Most H1B aren't high skilled. Not compared to American workers at any rate. They are just average at best or complete fraudsters at worst. There's a different visa (O-1 I think) for real geniuses and things.

    This is good. Too many corporations use the visa to displace American workers. It's ruined IT between visas and unrealistic job requirements with low pay. For years there has been this bullshit peddled about the H1B visa being "highly skilled" and anyone pointing out that was a blatant lie was called a racist or xenophobe by the shills. There were and still are people who go around speaking of the visa with this "best and brightest" horseshit every time it comes up when the majority of visas are for regular grunt work that an American workers could do just as easily as an Indian on a visa. It's about control and often pay. The visa holder is basically a hostage of their employer.

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    Yes. Indian managers are known for keeping their departments mostly Indian when they can and "cleansing" it of Americans.
    Who gives a shit if you d8int think they are skilled. If a company wants to hire them, then they should be able to hire them. Instead of embracing freedom and capitalism, you are opting for national socialism.

    There has to be a reason for this, and none of the obvious answers make you look very good.
    Last edited by Machismo; 2019-12-12 at 03:23 PM.

  6. #66
    Say goodbye to Indians coming to your jobs.

    Say hello to your jobs going to India...

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Great, that's how freedom and capitalism should work.

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    Who gives a shit if you d8int think they are skilled. If a company wants to hire them, then they should be able to hire them. Instead of embracing freedom and capitalism, you are opting for national socialism.

    There has to be a reason for this, and none of the obvious answers make you look very good.
    So companies should be allowed to discriminate against American workers to hire often cheaper visa holders? I don't think so. The system is being abused, and has been abuses for a very long time. It's about time that the fact this visa is used for BS reasons comes to light, and it's long overdue.

    Can I go to India and easily get a work visa there? No. So why is it the other way around in America? The system is broken, dude.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    So companies should be allowed to discriminate against American workers to hire often cheaper visa holders? I don't think so. The system is being abused, and has been abuses for a very long time. It's about time that the fact this visa is used for BS reasons comes to light, and it's long overdue.

    Can I go to India and easily get a work visa there? No. So why is it the other way around in America? The system is broken, dude.
    They should be allowed to hire whom they want. You are the one that wants to use the go ernment to force discrimination.

    So, it's either because you hate Indians, of you don't think you can compete, so you want the government to take care of you.

    Racism/Xenophobia, or hatred of freedom and capitalism. There really is no other option.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    So companies should be allowed to discriminate against American workers to hire often cheaper visa holders? I don't think so. The system is being abused, and has been abuses for a very long time. It's about time that the fact this visa is used for BS reasons comes to light, and it's long overdue.

    Can I go to India and easily get a work visa there? No. So why is it the other way around in America? The system is broken, dude.
    Yes, yes you can. If you speak Hindi.


    Ironically, if the immigration system was fixed to not abuse and cycle immigrant visa workers, and pay them standard wages, the American worker would be MORE competitive. Because if all things are equal (paywise) and companies couldn't exploit immigrant workers who fear losing their visas, then the American worker who is truly competitive with foreign workers would be the better hire every time.

    The same applies for illegal immigration. The literal only advantage an illegal worker has over a legal one is pay and the ability to be exploited by employers, which they do happily and gleefully. If an illegal worker can become legal, join a union, be required to be paid minimum wage, isn't afraid to go to the cops or authorities when labor abuses happen, etc.......then the American worker is more competitive overall, because theoretically they know the language and culture better.

    The thing with the H-1B visa, which I have high familiarity with, at least in the financial field, is that the workers *ARE* highly skilled, but often culturally and linguistically can't communicate as well. If the abuses in that system were ironed out, theoretically those workers are less appealing.

    And then, if you can't beat out an Indian immigrant for a job who is being paid the same as you and has the same rights as you, because he is willing to work longer and harder hours on a salaried position than you.....that's on you, not on the Indian immigrant.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Yes, yes you can. If you speak Hindi.


    Ironically, if the immigration system was fixed to not abuse and cycle immigrant visa workers, and pay them standard wages, the American worker would be MORE competitive. Because if all things are equal (paywise) and companies couldn't exploit immigrant workers who fear losing their visas, then the American worker who is truly competitive with foreign workers would be the better hire every time.

    The same applies for illegal immigration. The literal only advantage an illegal worker has over a legal one is pay and the ability to be exploited by employers, which they do happily and gleefully. If an illegal worker can become legal, join a union, be required to be paid minimum wage, isn't afraid to go to the cops or authorities when labor abuses happen, etc.......then the American worker is more competitive overall, because theoretically they know the language and culture better.

    The thing with the H-1B visa, which I have high familiarity with, at least in the financial field, is that the workers *ARE* highly skilled, but often culturally and linguistically can't communicate as well. If the abuses in that system were ironed out, theoretically those workers are less appealing.

    And then, if you can't beat out an Indian immigrant for a job who is being paid the same as you and has the same rights as you, because he is willing to work longer and harder hours on a salaried position than you.....that's on you, not on the Indian immigrant.
    It's so stupid. I wanted to move to the US but https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/employment-based doesn't offer ways for me. Some people suggested I cheat the system by fake marriage but if that is found out then I don't think I would get to stay.

  11. #71
    I'm a huge proponent of more open immigration in the U.S. We're losing the innovation race badly because it is not only less and less attractive to come to the U.S., but harder and harder to get in. Honestly, I think the American worker has gotten fairly lazy and entitled.

    The movement of labor is a basic right, imo, if you believe in capitalism. Otherwise, countries can dumpster dive to autocratic or poorly developed third world countries (see: SE Asia, Mexico), and make profit off a labor force who has no other choice than to take the shitty job being offered to them because we believe in archaic borders preventing them from coming to where the workforce has rights. If the labor force can freely move (like in the EU), and a Mexican who can barely speak English, but is paid the same and has the same rights, beats you out for a job in your English-speaking community and your American culture, because he's willing to work harder than you - well then, that's competition for you, and he should get that job over you.

    It's only when an illegal worker is exploited and paid below legal wages that they become competitive with American workers.
    @Katie N I wish I could say I know the struggle. We came to the U.S. in the 80s, under Reagan, which was thought of as a fairly strict time for immigration, but in no way compares to now.

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