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    Say goodbye to Indians coming to your jobs.

    Say hello to your jobs going to India...

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    I am Murloc! Nobleshield's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Great, that's how freedom and capitalism should work.

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    Who gives a shit if you d8int think they are skilled. If a company wants to hire them, then they should be able to hire them. Instead of embracing freedom and capitalism, you are opting for national socialism.

    There has to be a reason for this, and none of the obvious answers make you look very good.
    So companies should be allowed to discriminate against American workers to hire often cheaper visa holders? I don't think so. The system is being abused, and has been abuses for a very long time. It's about time that the fact this visa is used for BS reasons comes to light, and it's long overdue.

    Can I go to India and easily get a work visa there? No. So why is it the other way around in America? The system is broken, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    So companies should be allowed to discriminate against American workers to hire often cheaper visa holders? I don't think so. The system is being abused, and has been abuses for a very long time. It's about time that the fact this visa is used for BS reasons comes to light, and it's long overdue.

    Can I go to India and easily get a work visa there? No. So why is it the other way around in America? The system is broken, dude.
    They should be allowed to hire whom they want. You are the one that wants to use the go ernment to force discrimination.

    So, it's either because you hate Indians, of you don't think you can compete, so you want the government to take care of you.

    Racism/Xenophobia, or hatred of freedom and capitalism. There really is no other option.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    So companies should be allowed to discriminate against American workers to hire often cheaper visa holders? I don't think so. The system is being abused, and has been abuses for a very long time. It's about time that the fact this visa is used for BS reasons comes to light, and it's long overdue.

    Can I go to India and easily get a work visa there? No. So why is it the other way around in America? The system is broken, dude.
    Yes, yes you can. If you speak Hindi.


    Ironically, if the immigration system was fixed to not abuse and cycle immigrant visa workers, and pay them standard wages, the American worker would be MORE competitive. Because if all things are equal (paywise) and companies couldn't exploit immigrant workers who fear losing their visas, then the American worker who is truly competitive with foreign workers would be the better hire every time.

    The same applies for illegal immigration. The literal only advantage an illegal worker has over a legal one is pay and the ability to be exploited by employers, which they do happily and gleefully. If an illegal worker can become legal, join a union, be required to be paid minimum wage, isn't afraid to go to the cops or authorities when labor abuses happen, etc.......then the American worker is more competitive overall, because theoretically they know the language and culture better.

    The thing with the H-1B visa, which I have high familiarity with, at least in the financial field, is that the workers *ARE* highly skilled, but often culturally and linguistically can't communicate as well. If the abuses in that system were ironed out, theoretically those workers are less appealing.

    And then, if you can't beat out an Indian immigrant for a job who is being paid the same as you and has the same rights as you, because he is willing to work longer and harder hours on a salaried position than you.....that's on you, not on the Indian immigrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Yes, yes you can. If you speak Hindi.


    Ironically, if the immigration system was fixed to not abuse and cycle immigrant visa workers, and pay them standard wages, the American worker would be MORE competitive. Because if all things are equal (paywise) and companies couldn't exploit immigrant workers who fear losing their visas, then the American worker who is truly competitive with foreign workers would be the better hire every time.

    The same applies for illegal immigration. The literal only advantage an illegal worker has over a legal one is pay and the ability to be exploited by employers, which they do happily and gleefully. If an illegal worker can become legal, join a union, be required to be paid minimum wage, isn't afraid to go to the cops or authorities when labor abuses happen, etc.......then the American worker is more competitive overall, because theoretically they know the language and culture better.

    The thing with the H-1B visa, which I have high familiarity with, at least in the financial field, is that the workers *ARE* highly skilled, but often culturally and linguistically can't communicate as well. If the abuses in that system were ironed out, theoretically those workers are less appealing.

    And then, if you can't beat out an Indian immigrant for a job who is being paid the same as you and has the same rights as you, because he is willing to work longer and harder hours on a salaried position than you.....that's on you, not on the Indian immigrant.
    It's so stupid. I wanted to move to the US but https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/employment-based doesn't offer ways for me. Some people suggested I cheat the system by fake marriage but if that is found out then I don't think I would get to stay.

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    I'm a huge proponent of more open immigration in the U.S. We're losing the innovation race badly because it is not only less and less attractive to come to the U.S., but harder and harder to get in. Honestly, I think the American worker has gotten fairly lazy and entitled.

    The movement of labor is a basic right, imo, if you believe in capitalism. Otherwise, countries can dumpster dive to autocratic or poorly developed third world countries (see: SE Asia, Mexico), and make profit off a labor force who has no other choice than to take the shitty job being offered to them because we believe in archaic borders preventing them from coming to where the workforce has rights. If the labor force can freely move (like in the EU), and a Mexican who can barely speak English, but is paid the same and has the same rights, beats you out for a job in your English-speaking community and your American culture, because he's willing to work harder than you - well then, that's competition for you, and he should get that job over you.

    It's only when an illegal worker is exploited and paid below legal wages that they become competitive with American workers.
    @Katie N I wish I could say I know the struggle. We came to the U.S. in the 80s, under Reagan, which was thought of as a fairly strict time for immigration, but in no way compares to now.

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