Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst
1
2
3
LastLast
  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by WanderingWarrior View Post
    When Scourge did it in an afternoon?
    How did the gnolls fail to destroy Stormwind for centuries when Horde did it in an afternoon?
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lopment-thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

  2. #22
    The Amani did not have the player's hand in the sky guiding them.

    More seriously, Silvermoon was betrayed from within, once Arthas could make it past the magical outer defenses the Scourge's military might was just too much for the Elves. At that point most of Lordaeron was probably dead or converted into soldiers, Arthas had access to numbers that the Trolls could only dream about.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Nnyco View Post
    Betrayal from within basically.
    And the Scourge was more powerful.
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lopment-thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    And the Scourge was more powerful.
    yeah... but the entire event was laid out the way it was because of the betrayal first. subverting the barrier and opening the gate was the main reason.

  5. #25
    The Patient Bwonsamdi the Dead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2019
    Location
    Vancouver Island, Canada
    Posts
    251
    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    Amani tribe does not worship him though.
    Trolls have to go somewhere/to someone when they die

    Ahmanét, daughter of Bwonsamdi
    Bwonsamdi is my future husband

  6. #26
    All the inbreeding didn’t help the trolls

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    Trolls have to go somewhere/to someone when they die
    Mueh'zala or Hakkar could get them.
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lopment-thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    It makes me wonder if Bwonsamdi wasn't 'born yet' when the Troll wars happened. He might not be as old as we think he is
    Shadow Hunter Kajassa reveres a Loa known as Samedi, loa of the Grave (cemeteries, and restful sleep of the dead). Both Samedi and Bwonsamdi take on the same real world inspirational influences, and share a similar philosophy regarding their seeing the undead as abominations. Because of all the crossover, it's not entirely unclear if they're the same loa or if they just share similar inspirations and philosophies. It could be possible that Samedi is an older, more forgotten loa, considering that only Shadow Hunters seem to remember the name. Or, perhaps, this could just be a true name that Bwonsamdi only gives to very few. It would make a degree of sense that Bwonsamdi also wouldn't give this name to Princess Talanji or that she would have even had the opportunity to know it at all, with her not being a Shadow Hunter and as well, given their history.

    So, if Samedi was around before the moniker of Bwonsamdi was being revered, the question from there would be what happened to cause Samedi to fall out of favor of general troll favoritism (if they were revered by anyone other than Shadow Hunters at all), and whether Bwonsamdi, if separate, was anything to do with why Samedi's name was only being used by Shadow Hunters. Considering Shadow Hunters were once the highest form of authority among the Trolls, even Forest Trolls like the Amani, it may have something to do with leadership. And in regards to Amani specifically, the elves and humans culling so many of the Amani, and possibly their leadership over the millennia, may also be why we don't see the name Samedi being revered outside Shadow Hunters.

  9. #29
    Scourge is infectious while trolls are not, everyone who falls adds to the scourge ranks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy
    People just want to be bullies without facing any sort of consequences or social fallout for being a bully. If you declare X as a racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. person you can say or do whatever you want to them, ignoring the fact that they are a human.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    The whole troll attitude in wow is questionable in that regard. They where the dominant species once, yes. But they spend the millennia waiting for the world to be handed on a silver plate instead of working to rule it again. They just sat in their cities bathing in past glories and watching their society and power crumble to ruins.
    Pretty much. Troll imperial cities (Even on Zandalar!) just are let crumble to ruin, and never rebuilt. The Trolls are just content to feel like they're important and ignore the fact that their people have generally degraded to a barely civilized state. Rastakhan was only special because his country was the only one that wasn't a rotted pile of stones.

  11. #31
    The Patient Bwonsamdi the Dead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2019
    Location
    Vancouver Island, Canada
    Posts
    251
    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    So, if Samedi was around before the moniker of Bwonsamdi was being revered, the question from there would be what happened to cause Samedi to fall out of favor of general troll favoritism (if they were revered by anyone other than Shadow Hunters at all), and whether Bwonsamdi, if separate, was anything to do with why Samedi's name was only being used by Shadow Hunters. Considering Shadow Hunters were once the highest form of authority among the Trolls, even Forest Trolls like the Amani, it may have something to do with leadership. And in regards to Amani specifically, the elves and humans culling so many of the Amani, and possibly their leadership over the millennia, may also be why we don't see the name Samedi being revered outside Shadow Hunters.
    According to a friend on here, Samedi is the WoW RPG version of Bwonsamdi. It could be that Bwonsamdi was 'forgotten about' when WoD was being developed. He could also be Bwonsamdi's little brother, and he's not really talked about because he's not as powerful

    Ahmanét, daughter of Bwonsamdi
    Bwonsamdi is my future husband

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    According to a friend on here, Samedi is the WoW RPG version of Bwonsamdi. It could be that Bwonsamdi was 'forgotten about' when WoD was being developed. He could also be Bwonsamdi's little brother, and he's not really talked about because he's not as powerful
    Considering Bwonsamdi's power grows the more spirits are in his care, perhaps we can infer that Samedi's power grows the more graves are in their care. Perhaps to avoid the kind of scenario where a loa would give the Amani access to the power of death from the Shadowlands to break through the Sunwell barrier a'la Arthas, the elves could have used their reverse engineering of the Amani's shamanism and priesthood magics to infer that destroying or defiling graves of the Amani would result in diminishing the power of not only their priests, but their loa as well. This has a bit of precedence even, as in the Burning Crusade, players questing through the Ghostlands are sent into the Amani Catacombs to burn mummified Amani troll remains.

  13. #33
    Over 9000! Syegfryed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Darkshore, Killing Living and Dead elves
    Posts
    9,762
    The amani were not a force to be reckoning after the troll wars, they were scattered and an easy target, they also had the shield.


    The scourge get stronger after every battle with new corpses

  14. #34
    Scourge had Arthas, and insider knowledge on how to destroy their magical defense system. "Dar'khan Drakthir" I think was his name.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daevelian View Post
    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    And just like the thread before it, let's back away from sexualizing Azshara and return to the original topic at hand.

  15. #35
    The Undying Gehco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    FEEL THE WRATH OF MY SPANNER!!
    Posts
    31,958
    Quote Originally Posted by WanderingWarrior View Post
    When Scourge did it in an afternoon?
    Though, the Amani never went for the Sunwell. Even more so, they - just like the Scourge, didn't manage to destroy Quel'thalas but Scourge indeed brought the most destruction.
    Stuff can be fixed, just get enough glue or duct tape!
    Roses are red, mana is blue. Suramar Guards, Will always find you!

  16. #36
    Though the insider info was kinda a retcon, they based it on the one elf brought before Arthas in W3 who told him he could never get in thanks to the barriers. Good chance when reforged comes out, that will be Dar'khan in stead.
    I'm an altoholic since 2005.

  17. #37
    Bloodsail Admiral Evaddon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Location
    Shadowlands
    Posts
    1,151
    Because Quel'thalas wasn't betrayed and had allies, and the most profound understanding of magics at that time? Plus Sunwell amped with arcane energies and magical elf runes that created barriers to protect the city...

    Plus you know...we didn't get ravaged by the scourge yet, so all the knowledge, all the teachings, all the fighters were still intact
    Last edited by Evaddon; 2019-12-07 at 06:00 PM.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by WanderingWarrior View Post
    When Scourge did it in an afternoon?
    magic shield

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Betrayal from within, as said above. The Quel'dorei were a united front against the Amani, but the Lich King seduced Dar'khan to his service with promises of power and he betrayed the Magisters and allowed them access to the city. The Scourge was also a greater force by far than the Amani once the Troll Wars had broken their ranks - though they kept up with the occasional offensive against Silvermoon, the Amani didn't have the power anymore to be a true threat after their original defeat.
    I think a lot of people misconceive the Quel'Dorei to be inferior in lore to the Nelf and they're the same people technically. So yea defeating the elves is a tough chore.

  20. #40
    I’m sure the previous answers are plausible, but the real answer is because the writers didn’t make them win.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •