View Poll Results: Where do you stand?

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  • I don't support Andrew Yang's UBI

    33 34.74%
  • I support Andrew Yang's UBI

    62 65.26%
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  1. #501
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Everyone does.

    The wealthy.

    This has literally never been a secret; it's the entire point of the proposal.
    If people actually bought that, we would expect everyone to be voting for free money.
    But i don't think people believe that the wealthy will pay for it. Which is why they don't vote for him
    and the geek shall inherit the earth

  2. #502
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeHongKong View Post
    No it’s more poor lifestyle choices.
    Okay, quantify that.
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    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
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    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

  3. #503
    Quote Originally Posted by d00mGuArD View Post
    If people actually bought that, we would expect everyone to be voting for free money.
    But i don't think people believe that the wealthy will pay for it. Which is why they don't vote for him
    Voters want leaders to spearhead an ideological movement. Voters are angry and they want someone who can match their passion. Andrew isn't doing that. It's not enough to simply push a popular policy (which it just isn't that popular), you have to go on anti-corporate rants. His opponents are sharpening their axes and in comparison he looks like he's just goofing off.

    Why do you think the Nixon administration's basic income program (the Family Assistance Plan) failed to pass? Why was Nixon re-elected even after proposing it? Because he was lying about taxing the wealthy? Pretty much every liberal program being proposed requires more government spending: where do you think they plan to get the revenue? Universal Basic Income is definitely a different beast, but everyone has a different opinion on welfare reform. What if someone just wants their student loans forgiven? These questions all assume that voters are deciding on a candidate solely on issues like welfare reform, which we know isn't true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d00mGuArD View Post
    It's like those UK guys (labour) on last elections that were promising everything and still lost the election big time.
    Most people will simply not believe such blatant lies.... They probably know who will actually pay for it!
    I seem to recall a recent candidate who promised literally everything while campaigning. Something about someone paying for something...

  4. #504
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    I mean I'd means test it and then it'd basically be regular welfare.



    LOL, I think the poor's current money situation is not having enough money.

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    He is right about gender though, it is a far stronger predictor of the categories of violent crime he mentioned than wealth.
    Player Eleven doesn't seem to understand his systemic poverty works and seems to one of these pull yourself up by the bootstraps guys that misses the point that these por people's lack the boots or access to them in the first place to pull them selves up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d00mGuArD View Post
    If people actually bought that, we would expect everyone to be voting for free money.
    But i don't think people believe that the wealthy will pay for it. Which is why they don't vote for him
    I the rich constantly vote for that in republicans that give them tax breaks they don't even need.

  5. #505
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Okay, quantify that.
    Living outside their means
    Buying shit to impress people
    Going out and partying instead of investing.
    Eating shit food and not taking care of their bodies.

    I can go on.

  6. #506
    It's easy to just say "The rich will pay for it!" and assume it doesn't include you and call it a day. "Man that was easy!". What defines "rich"? 1 billion+? 100 million+? 100k+? What tax rate do you need to levy on the "rich" in order to raise $2.5 trillion a year?

  7. #507
    pfft...just hit Wall Street up.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


  8. #508
    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    Just going to chip in here because you're comparing to my country.

    Some of the stats that people use for comparing are usually highly embellished. Take sex crimes, many don't even bother to report it here because Korean society is pretty misogynist. So, it looks good on paper because not many report them because it's futile and in some cases even outright harmful to you. This is quite misleading if you're trying to make comparisons because you only look at the reported crimes.
    Also, different counties/states/countries define crime differently or have different thresholds for what defines a "violent crime" as an example. It's hard to just compare directly. And then let's not even mention Sanctuary cities and how they try to hide crime statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    It's easy to just say "The rich will pay for it!" and assume it doesn't include you and call it a day. "Man that was easy!". What defines "rich"? 1 billion+? 100 million+? 100k+? What tax rate do you need to levy on the "rich" in order to raise $2.5 trillion a year?
    I think Warren wants a 2 cents tax on anything above 50 million? Bernie wants to tax at 32 million and escalates higher as your wealth gets higher. I tend to agree with Bernie's wealth tax. You can also stop giving the wealthy tax breaks and subsidies. If you want to keep this capitalism system going then you need to redistribute wealth. At some point capitalism will break down and automation will displace jobs, so something must be done.


  10. #510
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeHongKong View Post
    Living outside their means
    Buying shit to impress people
    Going out and partying instead of investing.
    Eating shit food and not taking care of their bodies.

    I can go on.
    That's qualitative, not quantitative. If you're going to outdo the statistics on gender we're going to have to have some measurable attribute, not just your backwards conservative moralising.
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    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

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