View Poll Results: Where do you stand?

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  • I don't support Andrew Yang's UBI

    33 34.74%
  • I support Andrew Yang's UBI

    62 65.26%
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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    Well the ramifications of it can be seen everyday, since all developed economies base their banking this way to disseminate to the public at large, and the federal funds rate (US) is set by the Federal Reserve, similar to the Central Banks in Europe.

    The hypothesis of UBI is that a monthly payment of some number to all adults in the US would be less of a cost than the bureaucratic burdens the myriad of social programs all developed countries have. That is a wildly unknown number, but I guarantee you the stimulative effect on the economy would be incredible. Think of the tens of millions of US working class consumers. That may account for two maybe three percent annualized GDP growth on its own.
    Here's the problem with implementing new forms of welfare (which is exactly what this is). The old welfare doesn't go away. People would still demand food stamps, housing assistance, farm aid, veterans' benefits, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and a host of other programs. If this would go through, that's $12k a year for just over 200 million people (in theory). How much of those programs would be able to be fully discarded to make room for the new welfare. Sure, if you get rid of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, you just might be able to pay for it. Of course, that may piss off a few people.

    So, whatever shortfall in revenue will have to be gained in some other manner. Either that, or just print off a shit ton of money every year, which we already know will be an utter disaster.

  2. #122
    No, stealing from people and giving it to other people somehow feels wrong.
    "Our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."
    "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans" - Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And how the hell does one plan on peaceful wealth redistribution. Whenever someone posts bullshit like that, I have but one question:

    What if they resist?
    Through this thing called taxes. If they don't pay then arrest, due process, etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    How will it lower unemployment?

    Incentivizing people to not work is not going to make them want to work harder.

    I look forward to him providing evidence to back up all of his absurd claims.
    You can't live well on just 1k.

  5. #125
    I have no problems with "stealing" from the wealthy.
    And they won't miss what will keep me alive for the rest of my life.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I have no problems with "stealing" from the wealthy.
    And they won't miss what will keep me alive for the rest of my life.
    I dont either but I'd feel better about it if it was done with armed mobs than the government doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moadar View Post
    I dont either but I'd feel better about it if it was done with armed mobs than the government doing it.
    So armed violence is okay if it's done to people you don't like. If it's done to you then I'm sure you'd see a problem with it.
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  8. #128
    The tiny population wouldn't be the concern.
    The majority population in the tens of millions however would be terrifying. (Something the 1% still can't quite grasp)
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    So armed violence is okay if it's done to people you don't like. If it's done to you then I'm sure you'd see a problem with it.
    Well ya that's usually how things work.

  10. #130
    This is a real tweet and it's fucking hilarious. It's basically like saying why don't we just print more money?


  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    This is a real tweet and it's fucking hilarious. It's basically like saying why don't we just print more money?
    Apparently English isn't your first language.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moadar View Post
    Well ya that's usually how things work.
    Armed mob violence is wrong, stop trying to make excuses for criminal behavior...
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  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Armed mob violence is wrong, stop trying to make excuses for criminal behavior...
    Depends on who the violence is against.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    No, stealing from people and giving it to other people somehow feels wrong.
    As opposed to stealing from people and giving it to billionaires/corporate friends/Israel/military industrial complex/etc...
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    I'd rather lose with Biden then try with Bernard.

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    Why is there so many violence lovers online today... It's 2019 and some people still don't know it's bad.

  16. #136
    It's just a matter of time before people realize why the guillotine was such a hit in France.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    As opposed to stealing from people and giving it to billionaires/corporate friends/Israel/military industrial complex/etc...
    Taxation is theft. More taxes is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It's just a matter of time before people realize why the guillotine was such a hit in France.
    Do you remember what was fate of most radical guillotine supporters ?
    "Our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."
    "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans" - Donald Trump

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  18. #138
    I think 1,000 is too high.

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    Taxation is theft.
    Neither the US Constitution nor the Supreme Court agree with you.
    Let me guess; you're the libertarian of the anti-government flavor?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    Do you remember what was fate of most radical guillotine supporters ?
    "S'okay.
    This is America.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Through this thing called taxes. If they don't pay then arrest, due process, etc, etc.
    There's one issue, that's not really peaceful, it's subdued force. And, as history has shown, people will only bend so far, and take so much shit... before they resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saninicus View Post
    You can't live well on just 1k.
    You cannot live well, but you can live.

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