How do you feel about Andrew Yang's UBI of 1,000 a month for every US Adult

[Theodarzna]

it seems like the better way to help people would be to forgive student loan debt and maybe credit card debt.

We could also do that. Going back to my earlier post; a very good justification for all of that is that most of those loans had no basis in reality to begin with. The Bank created money from nothing and expects to get real money at interest back.

[Machismo]

You aren't supporting individual liberty you are a gimp sucking corporate dick. You want freemarket discipline for the poor and socialism for the rich. Fuck you, I'm sick of listening to you two-faced cunts. You lost any credibility you had a decade ago, now fuck off.

How would you know? You are a brand new account.

I am supporting liberty. I don't want anyone overburdened with taxation. I want people to be free to work where they want, hire whomever they want, screw whomever they want, marry whomever they want, own whatever guns they want, and so on... and so forth.

I accept your apology.

[Shadowferal]

The wealthy were already given billions if not trillions from taxes that politicians demanded.
Time to pay it all back.

[MoanaLisa]

It would require a full restructuring of the American economy so it's going nowhere. He's never been able to explain how even a small percentage of it would be paid for. The proposal as is is a non-starter but if it starts a real conversation about it then that's fine. U.S. does the same for most corporations as it is in the form of tax rules. It's a form of corporate socialism.

[Shadowferal]

Firts thing that needs to be done to make it real, abolish the idiocy that is "corporate personhood."
Every billionaire will take it as the first notice that their time of freeloading is done.

[PC2]

Firts thing that needs to be done to make it real, abolish the idiocy that is "corporate personhood."
Every billionaire will take it as the first notice that their time of freeloading is done.

But there has to be corporate personhood in order for an organization to grow beyond a small-business. Because you can't scale up a business to have many investors if they are all held liable in the same manner as a sole proprietor.

[Somewhatconcerned]

it seems like the better way to help people would be to forgive student loan debt and maybe credit card debt.

Or at least eliminate the interest on federal student aid.

[Moadar]

There's one problem, not all the super wealthy have been screwing everyone over. That's like saying all white people should have their money taken from them, because slavery was a thing 155 years ago.

I had no idea you were such a fan of reparations.

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Anyone that has ever used a tax haven or loophole or bought politicians has screwed everyone else over.

I have African American in my family tree. I'm sure most people here do. Bring on the reparations since the super wealthy will be paying that too.

[Shadowferal]

". . . corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires. Corporations help structure and facilitate the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their 'personhood' often serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of “We the People” by whom and for whom our Constitution was established."
~Supreme Court Justice Stevens, January 2010

[Machismo]

Anyone that has ever used a tax haven or loophole or bought politicians has screwed everyone else over.

I have African American in my family tree. I'm sure most people here do. Bring on the reparations since the super wealthy will be paying that too.

The same can be said for anyone who has kids, or deducted their mortgage interest.

On that note, not every wealthy person has done that, so you would be willingly screwing over innocent people.

[Moadar]

The same can be said for anyone who has kids, or deducted their mortgage interest.

On that note, not every wealthy person has done that, so you would be willingly screwing over innocent people.

Ya I'm taking a page from the wealthy handbook screw everyone and take everything you can.

[Machismo]

Ya I'm taking a page from the wealthy handbook screw everyone and take everything you can.

Great, so you are as terrible as you think they are.

That's some pretty crappy logic you have going on right there.

[breadisfunny]

12000 a year.....that's below poverty in every single state.

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There are already programs in place to help people actually get jobs. A UBI isn't about getting a job, it's about free money.

This isn't stimulus, it's welfare for everyone. Someone has to pay for it, and in the United States, at $1k a month, that would be $128 billion a month, if you give $1k to each household. If it's to every single adult, that number climbs to $209 billion a month.

Where do you plan on getting that money from?

thats easy the overbloated defense budget.

[PC2]

12000 a year.....that's below poverty in every single state.

Maybe that's why it's called universal basic income and not universal luxury income. $12k a year is a massive amount since that would take up the entire budget by itself.

[Shadowferal]

12000 a year.....that's below poverty in every single state.

Be that as it may, 12k/yr is a big help for most of the US population.

Hell, just have the government undo that shitty tax that the wealthy got at everyone else's expense would be helpful.

[breadisfunny]

Maybe that's why it's called universal basic income and not universal luxury income. $12k a year is a massive amount since that would take up the entire budget by itself.

who said anything about luxury?

[Moadar]

Great, so you are as terrible as you think they are.

That's some pretty crappy logic you have going on right there.

No one got there without being scummy.

Difference is I'm punching up at people that have been punching down for generations.

[Machismo]

12000 a year.....that's below poverty in every single state.

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thats easy the overbloated defense budget.

And yet, that still wouldn't come close to covering it.

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No one got there without being scummy.

Difference is I'm punching up at people that have been punching down for generations.

Well, that would be a claim that I'd love for you to back up, but you and I both know you couldn't possibly do it.

The Bolsheviks and Stalin would be so proud.

[Moadar]

Well, that would be a claim that I'd love for you to back up, but you and I both know you couldn't possibly do it.

The Bolsheviks and Stalin would be so proud.

I have a spot for you in my antifa cell.

[Machismo]

I have a spot for you in my antifa cell.

Yes, we get it... you are so edgy it's cool.

Let me know when you can back up your ridiculous claim.