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  1. #21
    Investment you nubs.

    The only issue is that the return on investment are taxes takes out of those future employees and subcontractors of Amazon, not the corporation itself.

    PS: There is Political gain also.

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    What can you say. Some people expect that if we throw billions at a huge business, a tiny fraction will trickle down onto them, so we have to kowtow to them and throw our taxpayer dollars at them. And they're always wrong.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Amazon doesn't have a zero tax rate they have a negative tax rate that's right they get tax payer money at the end of the year now thanks to Trump's tax cuts.
    Wait...so you're saying that all of us collectively pay taxes and they give it to Amazon. Well that can't be right...Trump is a Republican and Republicans hate that evil Socialism.
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Wait...so you're saying that all of us collectively pay taxes and they give it to Amazon. Well that can't be right...Trump is a Republican and Republicans hate that evil Socialism.
    The number of companies with zero to negative tax rates doubled thanks to Trump socialism for the rich and corporations capitalism for the rest.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    AOC was wrong, yes amazon pays zero corporate taxes, but its hundreds of thousands of employees all pay payroll taxes, and amazon even went out of its way to give them 15$ an hour, also they plan to add 1500 jobs not the 24500
    $15/hr is the minimum wage in NYC...
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    100:1 odds that he wont
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    Okay. I'll stop sharing my views.

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    AOC math: 1500 > 25,000

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by daytonbrown View Post
    AOC math: 1500 > 25,000
    Wrong. Y1 jobs estimate from Amazon before AOC shut them down? 700. Y1 estimates after they caved? 1500. The 25k was a number Amazon pulled from their ass for the first 10 year. There's no evidence that they ever would have hit that number and they made no commitment to do so.
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    100:1 odds that he wont
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    Okay. I'll stop sharing my views.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    $15/hr is the minimum wage in NYC...
    those are corporate jobs your lookin at 65-100k+ a year, anyways, but im saying overall amazon does a good job, if you work in a distribution center in missouri for example your making lots of money

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    those are corporate jobs your lookin at 65-100k+ a year, anyways, but im saying overall amazon does a good job, if you work in a distribution center in missouri for example your making lots of money
    https://nypost.com/2019/07/13/inside...ouse-employee/ If you think $15/hr is "making lots of money" you need to educate yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    100:1 odds that he wont
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    Okay. I'll stop sharing my views.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by daytonbrown View Post
    AOC math: 1500 > 25,000
    Ask Wisconsin about those promises of thousands of jobs in exchange for giant tax cuts.

  10. #30
    I wish I could get conservatives as excited about citizen welfare as they are about corporate welfare.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    https://nypost.com/2019/07/13/inside...ouse-employee/ If you think $15/hr is "making lots of money" you need to educate yourself.
    Pretty much. I really don't understand people who think that $31,500/year pre-tax is some excellent wage. I was making close to that as a department head in a box store back in 1992.
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  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Pretty much. I really don't understand people who think that $31,500/year pre-tax is some excellent wage. I was making close to that as a department head in a box store back in 1992.
    My first corporate job back in 2001-3 paid 35K.

  13. #33
    She never deserved the hate. At the same time, I'd have to be pretty desperate to work at amazon, by all accounts I've seen, it's a terrible place to work. Not that there aren't a lot of other places that are terrible places to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Wrong. Y1 jobs estimate from Amazon before AOC shut them down? 700. Y1 estimates after they caved? 1500. The 25k was a number Amazon pulled from their ass for the first 10 year. There's no evidence that they ever would have hit that number and they made no commitment to do so.
    The tax incentives everyone bitched about were contingent on those jobs being created.

    Their deal wasn't getting free money from the government based on an empty promise that would never be realized like every other idiot portrayed it to be... They were promised a reduced tax burden in the future if they fulfilled their obligation to create 25,000 jobs at their new campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Hell, realistically speaking if NYC actually charged money to Amazon for the privilege of allowing them to have their HQ there, Amazon would realistically probably end up paying up.

    It's fucking simple, it's just an extension of the "Gravity model of trade" (it's the same reason why Brexit is breathtakingly stupid). Due to its economic mass NYC will attract businesses and trade, you literally don't have a choice if you want a chunk of the money pie. The further you are from NYC the smaller that chunk becomes.
    Exactly. There's a reason many powerful businesses are located in economically powerful locations (NYC, LA, San Fran, London, Tokyo, etc..) and it's not just because these cities and their respective nations threw money at them. It's because if you want a piece of the economic action, THATS WHERE YOU GO. It's just as true for the individual as it is for the company. If you want the big opportunities, you go to where the big opportunities are. Once a city or state or nation gets the ball rolling on this kind of economic power, companies will want to move there.

    A city that wants to become an economic powerhouse (like say, Cheyenne Wyoming) may indeed have to offer subsidies to entice businesses to locate there. But that's because Chyenne, WY sucks economically and NYC doesn't. NYC could easily say "If you want a piece of our action, it'll cost you XYZ." and Amazon would likely pay.

    But nooo we're Americans we have this weird idea that if a company wants to come to your city and get in on all the stuff you've spent billions of dollars to establish (roads, seaports, airports, safety, other infrastructure, previous economic incentives) WE should pay them. Fucking weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    The tax incentives everyone bitched about were contingent on those jobs being created.

    Their deal wasn't getting free money from the government based on an empty promise that would never be realized like every other idiot portrayed it to be... They were promised a reduced tax burden in the future if they fulfilled their obligation to create 25,000 jobs at their new campus.
    Again companies are not obligated to create X amount of jobs there is no contractual agreements it's a pinky swear most of the time you only get a fraction of those jobs. The system sucks not sure why they can't sign a legally binding document to force them to meet those quotas but apparently they can't.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    So, uh, Amazon's jobs wouldn't have been in her district to begin with.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    The 25k is a random bs number, originally year one was projected 700 jobs before they got denied the socialism

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by daytonbrown View Post
    AOC math: 1500 > 25,000
    It's cute you think Amazon was going to have 25k jobs at that one location.

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