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  1. #301
    Watched half an hour into it off some streaming website... this was mediocre at best.

  2. #302
    The whole "rape" thing...I think needs more thought.
    I mean did anyone realize how corrupting the wish was? And Diana wasn't immune to that. How could she be? She got the person she's been lamenting/mourning for decades. Sure....she's an immortal in love with a mortal, and all the future heartbreaking hell that she knows she'll have to endure. But...for now she didn't see the other guy, and she didn't see anything wrong.

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The whole "rape" thing...I think needs more thought.
    I mean did anyone realize how corrupting the wish was? And Diana wasn't immune to that. How could she be? She got the person she's been lamenting/mourning for decades. Sure....she's an immortal in love with a mortal, and all the future heartbreaking hell that she knows she'll have to endure. But...for now she didn't see the other guy, and she didn't see anything wrong.
    Except she did, chris pine is only for the audience. They went ahead and made it clear what happened. But did not think such an evil act was worth have the hero even acknowledged this is wrong. Also give me a god damn break her one week boy friend from more then 60 years ago.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    I didn't get that vibe from the movie; I mean the main villain was a man or a rock, depending on your point of view but yeah didn't pick up on any anti men vibe
    There were two sequences in the movie where every single man in the scene was harassing a woman jogging/walking. Every scene with a man that wasnt Chris Pine was essentially a foaming at the mouth caricature of evil masculinity.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The whole "rape" thing...I think needs more thought.
    The issue is if you give this more thought then you have to give other parts of the movie more thought. Does a military jet have the fuel to run from the US to Egypt and back? How do they navigate? How do they assault the White House without many many important people not knowing who WW is? On and on and on. The thing is, a bit of clever writing and you can wash all of these concerns away. Instead of going after the US president you instead introduce and go after Lionel Luthor and establish a bit of a high tech baseline in-universe. You use the wish and his and his son’s interaction with WW to set up his son being after the super powered individuals, and the reason Luther has the picture of WW in BvS. It’s small background world building, ties into other movies in a rather innocuous way, and helps the current narrative make more sense. The fact one is to take wish granting at face value and yet the writers still make a mess of it is absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minteK917 View Post
    Also give me a god damn break her one week boy friend from more then 60 years ago.
    I think shoehorning in Steve Trevor (or perhaps Chris Pine) set this movie on a bad road to where you had to write in ridiculous nonsense to work him into the movie and play off that. Putting more time into Minerva and Diana, and having a betrayal of her friendship being the issue could have played out much better. This movie needed Steve Trevor about as much as every Batman movie needs Thomas and Martha.

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    The issue is if you give this more thought then you have to give other parts of the movie more thought. Does a military jet have the fuel to run from the US to Egypt and back? .
    The idea that Trevor...who piloted a single engine bi-plane could fly the plane at all was silly to begin with.

    Gotta agree that bringing Trevor back at all was a mistake. But I think that was Jenkins' idea. She seems to have a thing for Chris Pine imo.

  7. #307
    As a few reviews ive watched, i came to the conclusion that this film was a shit show behind the scenes. And i really hope someone leaks what really happened to this film.

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  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Gotta agree that bringing Trevor back at all was a mistake.
    That alone was enough to make not want to watch the film. I hate when they do things like that.

  9. #309
    Both WW and Capetian America both have something common.

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    The issue is if you give this more thought then you have to give other parts of the movie more thought. Does a military jet have the fuel to run from the US to Egypt and back? How do they navigate?
    Why would a museum have a fueled plan on a runway at all!



    I think shoehorning in Steve Trevor (or perhaps Chris Pine) set this movie on a bad road to where you had to write in ridiculous nonsense to work him into the movie and play off that. Putting more time into Minerva and Diana, and having a betrayal of her friendship being the issue could have played out much better. This movie needed Steve Trevor about as much as every Batman movie needs Thomas and Martha.
    But that's just it, the wish could have just brought Steve back to life as an independent lifeform and it would have encompassed everything they needed from the character. The fact that they introduced this "I'm in his body" thing only complicates things in ways that are not needed at all. Possessing another might fit the monkey paw wish, but again, it was done badly if that's the vantage.

    If you go the monkey paw route, you could have him look like Chris Pine, rather than us just seeing what Diana sees. Then as they explore where he woke up, they come to the horrorific realization that he's a body stealing undead monster and there ya go.
    Or, as I mentioned before, if he still looks like real guy, have people talk to him like he's that guy. Have actual consequences!

    But, it's the movie of no consequences. Almost destroy the world, but renounce your wish and run off to your kid, no problem. Consequences are bad, let's just ignore them.
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  11. #311
    It was out of character for Diana to let Steve take over a body. But to be fair though shes pretty caught up on him and cant seem to move on even after multiple decades and could easily have her pick of partners. But can you blame her? Chris Pine being so dreamy and all.
    Suri Cruise and Katie Holmes are SP's.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post

    It's a completely unforced error too. There was no plot reason why Steve had to possess another man's body. The Dreamstone could simply have re-created Steve in his original body...or, if they really wanted it, given him a brand new body created just for him.
    I haven't seen this movie yet, despite having HBO Max, but the point of movies with wishes in them is to teach the lesson "be careful what you wish for." And from the synopsis I've read, the conclusion where she has to let go of Steve (and everyone has to let go of their wish) kinda points to this lesson in a roundabout way - except it doesn't. Cause the motivation to stop the wish isn't internal, it's an externalized threat (the wishes are fueling Pascal's character into destroying the world with nukes) that she has to stop having her wish to stop. If that threat didn't exist, she'd have kept Steve-in-his-skinsuit forever, looking at some dude's random face while only seeing Steve. Which is bizarre, and well, downright villainous/criminal.

    The whole point of a wish movie is that you come to the self-realization that what you would wish for isn't better than what you have now, or something nonsensical like that.

    Seems like they missed the mark completely on that theme.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I haven't seen this movie yet, despite having HBO Max, but the point of movies with wishes in them is to teach the lesson "be careful what you wish for." And from the synopsis I've read, the conclusion where she has to let go of Steve (and everyone has to let go of their wish) kinda points to this lesson in a roundabout way - except it doesn't. Cause the motivation to stop the wish isn't internal, it's an externalized threat (the wishes are fueling Pascal's character into destroying the world with nukes) that she has to stop having her wish to stop. If that threat didn't exist, she'd have kept Steve-in-his-skinsuit forever, looking at some dude's random face while only seeing Steve. Which is bizarre, and well, downright villainous/criminal.

    The whole point of a wish movie is that you come to the self-realization that what you would wish for isn't better than what you have now, or something nonsensical like that.

    Seems like they missed the mark completely on that theme.
    Yeah...and it's just a completely avoidable situation.

    Instead of the whole "body horror" angle they went with...it could have been something as easy as her wish pulls Steve out of time instants before his death. He materializes in 1984 in his own body...confused as fuck...but with a very strong need to find Diana and the movie could proceed exactly as it does already without any of the morality issues of possessing another humans body.

    Also, as an added bonus, it makes it even more tragic when she has to give him up at the end...because she's not sending him back to "heaven" or wherever he was...she's sending him back to die again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    But that's just it, the wish could have just brought Steve back to life as an independent lifeform and it would have encompassed everything they needed from the character. The fact that they introduced this "I'm in his body" thing only complicates things in ways that are not needed at all. Possessing another might fit the monkey paw wish, but again, it was done badly if that's the vantage.
    Yeah, I feel as though it was originally supposed to be more of a thing but at some point they cut out the parts of the film that would have dealt with the morality of Steve possessing another man's body. I don't know why they wouldn't just do some reshoots and remove that angle all-together though.

    It really should have been the monkey's paw catch...that for Diana and Steve to be together...they would have to murder an innocent man.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Yeah, I feel as though it was originally supposed to be more of a thing but at some point they cut out the parts of the film that would have dealt with the morality of Steve possessing another man's body. I don't know why they wouldn't just do some reshoots and remove that angle all-together though.
    I guess they did do some reshoots at some point, but not sure why/when/what. They had plenty of extra work time with the movie, but couldn't seem to see the flaws that are obvious to many.
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    I guess they did do some reshoots at some point, but not sure why/when/what. They had plenty of extra work time with the movie, but couldn't seem to see the flaws that are obvious to many.
    Probably too close to it to see the flaws.

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    I Google "Ww84 is bad" just for shits and giggles. We all know what's bad about the movie but I wanted to see the overreactions. What I never considered where the valid accusations of the r-word against this movie, especially in terms of Gal Gadot's history. If you thought men came out of the movie looking bad, Arabs in general got it worse. Even the Soviets were painted as sympathetic but the Arabs are nothing more but sectarian gun slinging oil barrens. There's also mentions of a scene where Gadot saves 4 kids in the movie in comparison to some views she expressed and past as a IDF soldier. She can't help being an IDF soldier, the views she expressed were her own though. I don't really have any connections to what her critics were talking about but there concerns were valid.

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  17. #317
    wait, what is all the "rape" thing going on? Not sure what to read to get it accurate

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by notJoyful View Post
    wait, what is all the "rape" thing going on? Not sure what to read to get it accurate
    Wonder woman gets her old boyfriend back from last movie, but in another man's body that he takes over for a while...
    That other man, there's no explanation what happened to his personality and his body is used without permission.
    What about his life? Did he have a girlfriend? Wife? Family? Movie ignores it.

    One reason people talk about it, if it had happened to a woman, the woke mob would have been triggered, but since it was a man, it's ignored.. it's to bring up the hypocrisy n stuff..
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  19. #319
    im not a big fan of the first one, but it was still 10 times better than this hot garbage, the gci is like 2001

    dc have some really big problems
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  20. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by apelsinjuice View Post
    im not a big fan of the first one, but it was still 10 times better than this hot garbage, the gci is like 2001
    My thought is they probably didn't want to have good cat cgi, to have it blurry, cuz they were afraid the movie would be associated with that shit movie Cats...

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