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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    He is.

    The real problem is that Superman is just a shit character. The actor is doing a fine job with what he's given.
    if that clip of them all fighting superman from justice league is anything to go by, cavil is the only decent actor they've got.

    momoa was also decent, but even his face looked like he wasn't in the moment.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    He is.

    The real problem is that Superman is just a shit character. The actor is doing a fine job with what he's given.
    Depends who is given the reigns when it comes to portraying characters, especially overpowered ones. Even back when they were going to make the Reeves version of Superman, there were huge doubts about if/how the franchise could be successful, the reasons then echoing what we tend to hear now when it comes to Superman. What was done very well there was that they didn't try to make Superman relatable or cool, they tried to make him inspirational. From his farm days to his city days, his base character doesn't change to where he always believes in the good of people, naively so in many cases, despite being an insanely powerful being. Instead of just going the more nihilist route, the portrayal is meant to have the viewer actually think how Superman views the world in these movies is how the world should be, even if it isn't.

    There are actually some parallels in Synder's Superman, however it had issues of everything feeling rushed, especially in character development with the movies we were given. Everything during and through Man of Steel and BvS didn't have enough development to where things felt shoe-horned or the audience didn't even have enough time to connect to the characters in a meaningful way. If anything, there should've been another movie between MoS and BvS to further develop and evolve Superman.

    Expanding this to other franchises, including Wonder Woman and heroes not of the DC persuasion, the name of the game is character development and finding a way to make the audience connect to the characters. The first WW movie spent a decent amount of time developing Diane kind of in a similar fashion to the older Superman movies, which is why it likely resonated more with people. Then we get other franchises where you'd think they were resting on their laurels of franchise/character name recognition versus crafting a narrative and scenario in which audiences would seek out and make a connection with the films.
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  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    cavil looks exactly like superman is supposed to look. how is he not fucking perfect for it?
    "Look" not including facial expressions other than constipation? Maybe a smile or any sort of emotion? I guess the scream as he killed Zod was something. I assume that stoic look is what they wanted and he did what they wanted, but it was very bland.
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  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    He is.

    The real problem is that Superman is just a shit character. The actor is doing a fine job with what he's given.
    Exactly, though even that is not much of a problem if done right. A smallville growing into the powers or an exploration of how carefull you have to be with such powers can also work, the Superman movies were shit because DC tried to write an elseworld story and forgot to hire a writer that makes them a good script or at least fully commit to the grim dark. The justice league stuff was just awfull because non-stop CGI, bad cinematography (that red filter..) and because they reworked it in editing. This has been analized to death, but nothing about these movies failed inherently because of the actors involved, they all could work given the right script/director.
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  5. #65
    I can't stop watching the trailer, because of the soundtrack. I just love that music they set it to.

  6. #66
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    I hold Wonder Woman at the bottom of every possible super hero movie as it had absolutely nothing I liked about it. Shazam gave me back a bit of faith in dc though so Mabye I’ll see this but it will likely depend on if I can even find any one to go with me as every one I know hated wonder woman as well.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    He is.

    The real problem is that Superman is just a shit character. The actor is doing a fine job with what he's given.
    I agree. Superman is the most generic gary sue character you can have
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  8. #68
    Being more of a Marvel guy, I feel like it's just another attempt at trying to get the same vibe a Marvel movie had. Thor mixed with 80's was pretty surprising but seeing DC being one step behind once again makes me think they didn't learn to do their own thing.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    Being more of a Marvel guy, I feel like it's just another attempt at trying to get the same vibe a Marvel movie had. Thor mixed with 80's was pretty surprising but seeing DC being one step behind once again makes me think they didn't learn to do their own thing.
    They tried "doing their own thing." It failed. Miserably.

    In part because Snyder's a shit storyteller and in part because they didn't fully commit to jumping straight into the Justice League, and instead chose to make a pseudo-JL movie out of what should have just been a Batman v Superman movie in...you know...Batman v Superman. But then again, we get the Waynes' death scene in literally every fucking movie that Batman shows up in, so it's no surprise that they were unwilling to trust audiences to just accept that these characters exist.
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    If he dies it'll actually contradict Justice League in which she says, "I lost someone I loved once." This would be twice, although that could be a bit of a quibble.
    Aquaman already contradicted Justice League I think (I can't even know if that's supposed to happen before or after with all the continuity problems, sigh)

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    Looks fun. I just hope they don't go all-in with Pedro Pascal's character being an obvious stand-in for Trump. That level of cringe would both instantly date it and ruin it.
    Quote Originally Posted by jimboa24 View Post
    Steve is brought back via magic. Pedro Pascal's character talks about getting "what you always wanted" like three or four times in the trailer, and him holding an artifact of some kind then doing something magic-like. So guarantee he's monkeying around with something that grants wishes or brings someone's desires to life.

    And the theme will be about being content with what you have/dealing with and accepting loss.
    I don't know shit about DC, but according to IMDB, Pedro Pascal is Max Lord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_Lord). With "Telepathic persuasion" as ability, guess Steve is still dead and Wonder Woman is manipulated or whatever.
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  11. #71
    New Order - Blue Monday came out in 1986.

    Fun trailer for the movie but i will wait for the bluray of it.

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  12. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    Being more of a Marvel guy, I feel like it's just another attempt at trying to get the same vibe a Marvel movie had. Thor mixed with 80's was pretty surprising but seeing DC being one step behind once again makes me think they didn't learn to do their own thing.
    Yeah because Marvel is the only company that does 80's movies right
    /s

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    No need to cross the streams, let's stick to DC. I certainly think she is better than Cavill's Superman. I'm okay with Batfleck, and Mamoa's Aquaman is great fun, if a little unconventional, but Cavill's Superman, bleh, such a bland boring role-fill.
    I would say that Cavill´s portrayal as a more serious and "stiff" Clark Kent/Superman is just on spot. Best Superman ever if you ask me.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Msi View Post
    Yeah because Marvel is the only company that does 80's movies right
    /s
    Not really my point.

    I'm just pointing at some things :

    -This WW movie comes really after Ragnarok
    -WW is often associated to Thor, because they are both tying ancient mythology to the comic universe.
    -The association of Thor and 80's vibe seemed off but it was handled nicely. The goofy side of Thor never really worked because of all the serious and epic atmosphere of the previous movies. But with this more comedic take it worked out.

    Problem is. I don't see WW go goofy. Some things like thunder lasso-ing seem goofy-cool, but if it tries to play too serious, that will just be DC once again playing a Marvel card and doing it badly.

  15. #75
    Loved the first one, it was funny and sweet. Had very good messages to say without beating your head over with them. Im expecting this one to be even better. Gadot is an endearing wonder women, one of the few good things DC had going for it in a while. Pablo Pascal as Maxwell lord, hes on fire right now. Gal Gadot is just a loveable sweet heart and Pine is pretty much good in anything, hes just charming on screen and can be as dramatic or funny as he needs to be. Good chemistry made the first one better then it really was imo. The better women lead super hero movie by far right now. However next year we get two of them. I do not think Black Widow solo movie can be as good, it seems to be generic marvel movie without taking any chances. Marvel movies are good when they bring up something new to their own table. Like civil war or doctor strange.
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  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Aquaman already contradicted Justice League I think (I can't even know if that's supposed to happen before or after with all the continuity problems, sigh)
    Aquaman didn't really contradict JL I think. It's clearly after, since Mira and Aquaman met in JL (though he didn't learn her name and she clearly knew who he was) and referenced the meeting.

    I don't see "I lost someone once" as a contradiction for WW really, but then I assume he's raised from dead (temporarily) or a mind trick or magic of some sort and not really back. The main thing that's a "contradiction" for me is that Wonder Woman was not known in BvS, so whatever happens in 84 needs to be so low-key/ hidden as to be unknown to the world? The 100 years thing too, which worked well enough after a WW1 movie, seems off if she actually WAS wandering around the entire time helping people. (Though uninvolved in WW2?) I guess we'll see how the movie handles it.
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  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Aquaman already contradicted Justice League I think (I can't even know if that's supposed to happen before or after with all the continuity problems, sigh)





    I don't know shit about DC, but according to IMDB, Pedro Pascal is Max Lord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_Lord). With "Telepathic persuasion" as ability, guess Steve is still dead and Wonder Woman is manipulated or whatever.
    Nah, the theme of the movie according to the director is "be careful what you wish for" and it explores the magical negative consequences of wish fulfillment. Even in the trailer, every line from Maxwell is about getting what you want. So it has something to do with Maxwell using a magical artifact that he procures with Wonder Woman's help (she's an art historian/procuror) that grants wishes to an ultimately negative effect.

  18. #78
    the trailer is fantastic. visuals, music, theme are all on point with good timing, ramping and cuts. hopefully the movie will be good as well
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  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Or why every western made Jackie Chan movie since Rush Hour 1 was terrible.
    You will have to pull my love of Rush Hour 2 from my cold dead corpse. Shame on you!

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    Unless they change up the formula and makes WW less of a Hollywood's Idea of a "Stronk Woman", I'm sensing this won't trump Shazam! and Man of Steel in my top DC movies.

    They've already undone the BS reason for her "finding her true powers" in the first one to boot. I am a sucker for Pablo Pascal though, unlike the villain they had in the first one. Don't get me wrong, that man's a great actor, but not believable as a muscular God of War.
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