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    So what happened to the entire night elf immortality thing

    Did Blizzard forget about it or? At the end of Reign of Chaos after they defeated Archimonde and malfurion just like «The victory came at a great cost, we lost our immortality» soooo why havent anyone died of old age yet then? Shouldnt like Illidan, Malfurion and Tyrande have died since they are more than 10K years old?
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    they don't rapidly age when they lost immortality (in other words, 10,000 years won't come for them).

    Illidan already became immortal because he became a demon before they nuked the tree and was already demonic enough before he even got the Skull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indres View Post
    Did Blizzard forget about it or? At the end of Reign of Chaos after they defeated Archimonde and malfurion just like «The victory came at a great cost, we lost our immortality» soooo why havent anyone died of old age yet then? Shouldnt like Illidan, Malfurion and Tyrande have died since they are more than 10K years old?
    Elves live for thousands of years without a world tree boosting them, they were more or less stuck in time for the period they had the tree. It will take thousands of years for them to reach the point of dying of old age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Elves live for thousands of years without a world tree boosting them, they were more or less stuck in time for the period they had the tree. It will take thousands of years for them to reach the point of dying of old age.
    So in other words, not really a sacrifice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indres View Post
    So in other words, not really a sacrifice?
    going from eternity to a couple thousand years is a big loss,relatively

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indres View Post
    So in other words, not really a sacrifice?
    If you could live until the sun dies out, but now can just live for the blink of an eye in comparison, it is still a huge sacrifice.

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    There are signs of aging in some of the short stories/novels, but the elves are a long lived race. The immortality 'paused' their aging so they're not suddenly going to age 10,000 years. For example Jarod Shadowsong's wife he eloped with after WOtA died sometime between WC3 and Wolfheart.

    Imagine that you were 20 years old and got immortality. 10,000 years later you lost it, and so you started aging again from 20. You'd still have decades of life left without the immortality.

    Just because the consequences aren't immediate doesn't mean it wasn't a sacrifice.

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    Elves still have long lives even without immortality. It's only been, what, a decade if that.... since Nordrassil was lost. Elves without their power source managed to live varying amounts of time covering thousands of years. Some night elves ARE experiencing old age now and suffering from that effect while no longer continuing as if in their prime.

    OP were you expecting some mass die out like a bunch of liches that had their phylacteries snapped? I personally thought it was more like they reached their prime of their life and aging got put on pause while time passed. A few years prior to current story? Aging was unpaused so now a bunch of "middle aged" people are starting to age again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indres View Post
    Did Blizzard forget about it or? At the end of Reign of Chaos after they defeated Archimonde and malfurion just like «The victory came at a great cost, we lost our immortality» soooo why havent anyone died of old age yet then? Shouldnt like Illidan, Malfurion and Tyrande have died since they are more than 10K years old?
    The theory is that, aging just continues now they are mortal in it's normal direction. as an immortal, you grow to maturity which is late teens/early twenties, and you are basically like that for the rest of your life. When you become mortal, you then start what you will discover is called aging and your races natural lifespan. For night elves the devs I think said or it was somewhere that this might be just over 10,000 years, so you shouldn't expect any deaths from old age soon. Except someone gets old.

    At least that's how I interpret it.

    As for the night elves regaining immortality with arcane magic used again and both the Well of Eternity and 2 world trees Nordrassil/Shaladrassil existing giving them accesss to 3 routes to immortality yet no development on that.. my conclusion is the fate of their immortality got lost in space, or rather lost in Azeroth.

    It took me so long to realise this, cos I was slow and retarded, but night elves are not a priority nor are they relevant, they are a device to fuel the story of humans and orcs.

    The night elves ceased to be relevant after Chris Metzen stopped doing hands on quests and story directing. From TBC onwards. Or maybe it was once the blood elves became the new thing, all the love transfered back to them.

    So many aspects of the nighte lves i don't expect to see or even bother to care nowadays to see happen, it will just be left in limbo and unexplained. Or eventually gotten to long after most people that really cared have stopped playing and moved on from Warcraft
    Last edited by ravenmoon; 2019-12-08 at 04:20 PM.

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    Elves were already a very long-lived race, and that comes from the Well of Eternity. Now instead of being immune to disease and aging altogether they now just age at the rate they did before, which is still considerably impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indres View Post
    So in other words, not really a sacrifice?
    I have to ask what you're thinking here... they lost something very important. The fact that they aren't dying out left and right within 5-10 years of the event doesn't mean it wasn't a loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    As for the night elves regaining immortality with arcane magic used again and both the Well of Eternity and 2 world trees Nordrassil/Shaladrassil existing giving them accesss to 3 routes to immortality yet no development on that.. my conclusion is the fate of their immortality got lost in space, or rather lost in Azeroth.
    eh.. Nordrassil granted immortality largely due to Nozdormu's blessing... a power that was lost due to the destruction of the tree. that wasn't exactly "world tree" power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Imagine that you were 20 years old and got immortality. 10,000 years later you lost it, and so you started aging again from 20. You'd still have decades of life left without the immortality.
    This is a bad example, because then the Night Elves would just remain being NE toddlers until they lost the immortality.

    The thing is, we don't know at what "age" did an average NE stop "ageing". So it's hard to tell if the current NE are young or old. By the BE standards of ageing, most of current NE's should be dead in a few hundred years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    Elves were already a very long-lived race, and that comes from the Well of Eternity. Now instead of being immune to disease and aging altogether they now just age at the rate they did before, which is still considerably impressive.
    If I remember correctly, the pre-sundering night elves due to their creation from the Well of eternity have super long lives, near immortal, added to that, their natural affinity and mastery of arcane magic allowed them to gain immortality.

    This was lost when the Well imploded, and all night elves went into withdrawal with various groups coping with it in different ways (Suramar lot had created the nightwell, Hyjal lot got a nature infusion to add to the natural arcane connection when the second well came up, this helped counter any pull to addiction (banning arcane practice helped), without using the arcane for spells, the old way of achieving immortality was not permissible, but the dragons were smart, by connecting the night elves to the tree, and then blessing it with those blessings passing on to the Hyjal group, they got immortality and at the same time removed perhaps one of the biggest draws to their society moving back towards the arcane, I reckon most night elves would not have pushed for immorality after the sundering anyway, seeing how much their soceities reckless use of magic had done, they'd have accepted the outcome as some sort of deserved punishment. (not all, but most, judging by the character blizzard gives them) , and the Eldre'thalas lot got a demon's arcane power to power their city, the arcane power sufficient enough to prolong their lives indefinitely (i.e. immortality)

    Remember the arcane prolongs life, the reason why with night elves it leads to immorality and not with other races including the high elves, has to do with the make up of the night elves from the well of eternity, it is this essence the high elves lost when they were exiled and the druids/cenarius did something to them and every night elv exiled for pracitivng arcane magic udirn ghte long vigil

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    Are you asking how the Night Elves lost their immortality, or why they haven't all died off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post

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    eh.. Nordrassil granted immortality largely due to Nozdormu's blessing... a power that was lost due to the destruction of the tree. that wasn't exactly "world tree" power.
    Lost? It was just drained, and required time to rebuild.. isn't that what it said in WC3/classic, that it would take years to recover, and they would regain their immortality and other stuff when it did.

    The question though is, did growing Teldrassil and linking the nighte lves to that instead in order ot fast track immortality's return cancel out the Nordarssil connection? No idea

    Did the Aspects losing their power affect the protection on Nordrassil which had a significant boost/speed up to healing in Cataclysm storyline when Thrall gets his major mojo? No idea, b/c if not that may mean that the Darnassian night elves would have immortality return when the tree recovers, if it does however, does that return when/should the aspects get their powers back?

    There is also the matter of arcane usage, with its return, all it takes is a sufficiently powerful enough source to be accessible and their lives will be indefinitely prolonged again, just like the Shen'dralar and nightborne and all the night elves in the pre-sundering era were able to (regardless of whether they were mages or not). That source exists in both the Well of Eternity and the Sunwell to name 2. The nightwell can also be kickstarted, and there is still another vial of the original well around, throw a falling star full of arcane power into it, or an azurite node and voila, they can have a source of power, and should be able to easily indefinitely prolong their lives.

    in theory anyway, blizzard often change things for various reasons. I use to think that their immiortality returning would be one of the major boosts for the night elves, because it is one of their original defining qualities -- I say use to, cos I no longer care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Lost? It was just drained, and required time to rebuild.. isn't that what it said in WC3/classic, that it would take years to recover, and they would regain their immortality and other stuff when it did.
    No, it wasn't said. The blessing of Nozdormu that granted their immortality is gone, and after cataclysm, cannot be restored anymore.

    But more importantly, it's only been about a decade since that happened for a people with natural lifespans exceeding a millenium. Most NE aren't going to die of age any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keymil View Post
    This is a bad example, because then the Night Elves would just remain being NE toddlers until they lost the immortality.

    The thing is, we don't know at what "age" did an average NE stop "ageing". So it's hard to tell if the current NE are young or old. By the BE standards of ageing, most of current NE's should be dead in a few hundred years.
    The point is whatever age they stopped aging, they DID stop aging, and the 10,000 years isn't all piled atop them at once once it ended and depending on when they stopped aging, they could still have decades or even centuries left since elves are long lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keymil View Post
    This is a bad example, because then the Night Elves would just remain being NE toddlers until they lost the immortality.

    The thing is, we don't know at what "age" did an average NE stop "ageing". So it's hard to tell if the current NE are young or old. By the BE standards of ageing, most of current NE's should be dead in a few hundred years.
    And don't expect b lizzard to define that anytime soon, and if they do, it won't be good news for the night elves, as they get more ordaniry and less unique with every visitation from devs who really don't carea bout protecting the originality of their initial conception that much, or often don'teven seem to understand it , but that may be an doverstatement on my part. It is their work after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    And don't expect b lizzard to define that anytime soon, and if they do, it won't be good news for the night elves, as they get more ordaniry and less unique with every visitation from devs who really don't carea bout protecting the originality of their initial conception that much, or often don'teven seem to understand it , but that may be an doverstatement on my part. It is their work after all.
    Well unless there's WoW2 (highly unlikely), then there's no reason to. It's not like WoW lore is going to span hundreads of years, so might as well leave it at "they will all die sometime in the future".

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    Blizzard would never have the balls to make 10,000 years of aging hit all of those night elves in the face at once. It would make one hell of a cinematic though.
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