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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    I level a character to max and it's a fun time, and when I hit max level I'm met with some world quest chores to meet my goals of unlocking flying, allied races, better gear, etc. Cool. But then I start doing those chores, and the game is like "that's all the progress/WoW you can play for today, come back tomorrow". Why doesn't Blizzard trust me to play their game more? Why do they put these weird parental control time gated progress walls everywhere? I feel like I'm playing a mobile phone game and I'm about to be asked to pay real money to bypass these time gated progress walls.

    I'm a grown adult Blizzard, I can play your game for as long as I feel like it/have the time and still attend to my IRL responsibilities, you don't need to restrict my play time like this by putting everything behind a time gate. I'm not going to stop playing your game either because I've met my goals faster than you've intended me to, that's crazy. You still have so much more for me to do once I've unlocked flying, allied races, etc like making alts, collecting mounts/pets/transmogs and so much else, you do not need to heavily time gate everything like this to try to keep me playing for longer. All it does is just burn me out on the game and make me NOT want to play the game at all anymore because I'm so sick and frustrated with all these time gates everywhere.

    Why do they do this?
    Blizzard has already made a game that completely lacks time-gating for you. It is called Diablo 3. You can create a level 1 char right now in Diablo and play without restriction nor time gating of any sort, and constantly work to improve your gear for hours on end until you pass out.
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    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Muajin76 View Post
    hmm..what does flower milk even taste like?
    Tea!

    /10characters

    Last edited by Flower Milk; 2019-12-10 at 02:18 AM.

  3. #103
    It's called time gating, it's a method used for the "LONG" outdated MMO business model time syncing. This is the perfect example of the first baby step where Blizzard fails.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    Yea, I miss the days when you could farm heroic dungeons and raids all day without lockout.

    I miss the days when I had to do a limited amount of daily quests for repu grinds every day.

    I miss the days when I had to log in daily to get that few tokens from hc lfg runs or I'd miss out.

    I am so glad nothing was ever gated before BfA. Everything was free for you to grind in 1 day and that was it. Fun times.


    The topic seems to be the generic whining about flying because its time gated and fair comparisons to the game past have no weight here.

    The whole discussion is funny, because the pathfinder in BfA took zero extra steps and just the completition of the story mode. It was never this easy and still it gets the most heated discussion. Blizzard should just take notes and make some painfull attunement for pathfinder in shadowlands.

    Re-subing only for pathfinder, noticing its made for regular players and its basicly passively earned, just to complain about it on MMO-C and quit the game again. This threads are pure comedy gold.
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  5. #105
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    How about try not to do everything so fast and just do it while you play and do other things? That's how I did the bee mount. I didn't need to be the first person with it, I just casually did it as I played, the only time I would farm for stuff for it was when I was doing a stormsong emissary or just going through the zone.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Kanegasi View Post
    They want you to keep paying. Most timegates are timed to be longer than a month total.
    this is truly amazing to witness,how people can have such oposing views on the game,so many complain about having infinite progression to do like in the case of AP farm,and cry for the days of capped valor etc,and then there are people like you who are in the complete side of wanting infinity and beyond lol,personaly i find this amusing

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Luxeley View Post
    It's called time gating, it's a method used for the "LONG" outdated MMO business model time syncing. This is the perfect example of the first baby step where Blizzard fails.
    Time gating existed in Vanilla in the form of attunements and rep grinds. So unless you mean to say that WoW has been failing since it launched, there has been no "baby step," just ridiculous players who would rather their time gating not be so obviously labeled.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    I level a character to max and it's a fun time, and when I hit max level I'm met with some world quest chores to meet my goals of unlocking flying, allied races, better gear, etc. Cool. But then I start doing those chores, and the game is like "that's all the progress/WoW you can play for today, come back tomorrow". Why doesn't Blizzard trust me to play their game more? Why do they put these weird parental control time gated progress walls everywhere? I feel like I'm playing a mobile phone game and I'm about to be asked to pay real money to bypass these time gated progress walls.

    I'm a grown adult Blizzard, I can play your game for as long as I feel like it/have the time and still attend to my IRL responsibilities, you don't need to restrict my play time like this by putting everything behind a time gate. I'm not going to stop playing your game either because I've met my goals faster than you've intended me to, that's crazy. You still have so much more for me to do once I've unlocked flying, allied races, etc like making alts, collecting mounts/pets/transmogs and so much else, you do not need to heavily time gate everything like this to try to keep me playing for longer. All it does is just burn me out on the game and make me NOT want to play the game at all anymore because I'm so sick and frustrated with all these time gates everywhere.

    Why do they do this?
    They don't trust that you will pay for a subscription long enough if they do not restrict how you play.
    It's as simple as that.

    Now, that might not be true for you or for a lot of other people but having gated content obviously works on the average player. Thats why they have it. The main goal of a company of Blizzards size is it make the shareholders happy and if a system will do that it's going in the game.

    If you want games with more passion and less focus on the business side you'll have to look at smaller, newer developers. The overall quality might not be the same of course. Money usually helps and all that.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    ...yet you don't realize that this is not their official forum, so why do you address them personally as if it is?

    Basically you come across as somebody ranting on a street corner on his soapbox towards the government. Also if timegating of things like flying is NOW your problem, you are kinda behind everything anyhow...at this point it isn't even a timegate anymore as you should have unlocked it weeks ago, even with their restrictions that annoy you so much.

    But yeah...they don't do it to "protect" you from overindulging, they do it so you stay subbed and keep coming back. Stretch that time that you stay a customer.

    As an adult, you surely figured that out yourself even before you wrote the thread.
    They read these forums...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Because if they arent locked people will endlessly bitch about being "forced" to do endless dailies, islands, etc.
    Islands yes but daily quest gonna have to say nay. Once you reach exalted the vast majority of players have no reason to continue.
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  10. #110
    OP is 100 % correct. This is some of the worst bullshit Blizzard has pulled ever. It's so frustrating and shitty.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Sad and true, but also, should Blizzard be listening to those people when it comes to game design decisions? You've said that's their reason for time gating stuff. Do you not now see why they shouldn't be listening to people like that and time gating everything?
    So basically you are saying they shoiuld listen to you and nobody else. Sorry, they shouldln't be listening to you either. They should do what they feel is best for the game and not listen to entitled players which includes you.

  12. #112
    They originally timegated stuff because people cried about having to "grind 24/7" to "stay competitive"

    Then they noticed how much timegating boosted MAU's and tripled down on it.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    Now, that might not be true for you or for a lot of other people but having gated content obviously works on the average player. Thats why they have it. The main goal of a company of Blizzards size is it make the shareholders happy and if a system will do that it's going in the game.

    If you want games with more passion and less focus on the business side you'll have to look at smaller, newer developers. The overall quality might not be the same of course. Money usually helps and all that.
    This nonsense needs to stop. The game developers do not care one iota about the shareholders and shareholders don't care about game design decisions about a specific game. All shareholders care about is the health of the company as a whole. WOW is not the whole company. Not by a long shot. Also, WOW developers have just as much passion making their games as anyone. You insult theem by accusing them of having no passion.
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  14. #114
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    Simple answer. To keep you playing/paying for just another month.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyvax View Post
    They originally timegated stuff because people cried about having to "grind 24/7" to "stay competitive"

    Then they noticed how much timegating boosted MAU's and tripled down on it.
    There is no evidence that time gates in any way boost MAU's because the great majority of players were going to play the game regardless of time gated grinds or not. As it is, most of these time gated grinds can still be done within a month, so it would be paid for whether it took 2 days or 2 wqeeks. This player false narrative must also stop.

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    I level a character to max and it's a fun time, and when I hit max level I'm met with some world quest chores to meet my goals of unlocking flying, allied races, better gear, etc. Cool. But then I start doing those chores, and the game is like "that's all the progress/WoW you can play for today, come back tomorrow". Why doesn't Blizzard trust me to play their game more? Why do they put these weird parental control time gated progress walls everywhere? I feel like I'm playing a mobile phone game and I'm about to be asked to pay real money to bypass these time gated progress walls.

    I'm a grown adult Blizzard, I can play your game for as long as I feel like it/have the time and still attend to my IRL responsibilities, you don't need to restrict my play time like this by putting everything behind a time gate. I'm not going to stop playing your game either because I've met my goals faster than you've intended me to, that's crazy. You still have so much more for me to do once I've unlocked flying, allied races, etc like making alts, collecting mounts/pets/transmogs and so much else, you do not need to heavily time gate everything like this to try to keep me playing for longer. All it does is just burn me out on the game and make me NOT want to play the game at all anymore because I'm so sick and frustrated with all these time gates everywhere.

    Why do they do this?
    Don't take it personally Blizzard aren't targetting you specifically, they're barely aware that you exist. Blizz put in these systems to best serve their vision of the game and the majority of the player-base.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    This nonsense needsd to stop. The game developeres do not care one iota about the shareholders and shareholders don't care about game design decisions about a specifici game. All shareholders care about is the health of hte company as a whole. WOW is not the whole company. Not by a long shot. Also, WOW developers have just as much passion making their games as anyone. You insult theem by accusing them of having no passion.
    This is actually what old devs said themsleves.
    But as a developer or at least the managers do care or rather have to care. You bow down to your stakeholders or they will make you or rather remove you.
    Keeping players subscribed for longer is most likely one of Blizzards KPI's and gating makes that happen. Nice green bars keep your main stakeholders happy. Thats the main goal of a WoW dev.

    Now, customer satisfaction is most likely important as well but not as important as making sure you pay.

    You'll learn, in time.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Time gating existed in Vanilla in the form of attunements and rep grinds. So unless you mean to say that WoW has been failing since it launched, there has been no "baby step," just ridiculous players who would rather their time gating not be so obviously labeled.
    Time gating worked back during Vanilla and probably even up and until Cata. But then, the MMO genre changed and WOW didn't.

  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    You're not gated though, you can go run some mythic dungeons, m+, raid, organized PvP, random PvP. You can level another alt.

    WQ's are some of the most boring end game content this game has to offer IMO, yet here you are complaining about not having enough of them. You are unique.
    It's an opinion, not a fact.
    I like them actually, they admirably replace dailies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eupriestlol View Post
    OP is 100 % correct. This is some of the worst bullshit Blizzard has pulled ever. It's so frustrating and shitty.
    It was more or less the same with dailies.
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  20. #120
    Nope. You are supposed to play the game the way Papa Blizzard wants you to.

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