Suspects seem more relevant to me than arrests since you're not going to catch everyone. I linked the data source and provided the page, people can look at further data if they're interested. You can disagree with which stat is better to use, that's fine.
I bring up shootings because I'm personally more concerned about whether someone might shoot me than whether someone might spray rude graffiti on my house. The lack of shootings by whites in New York City pretty significantly undercuts the thread premise that New Yorkers should be worried about white supremacist violence. People shouldn't generally have much worry that they're going to be randomly attacked by roving bands of neo-Nazis.
Last edited by Spectral; 2019-12-13 at 07:36 PM.
Suspects are irrelevant unless arrested as you can be a suspect but then be found to be not involved.
And it’s obvious why you left out the relevant data when discussing hate crimes as you know it doesn't line up with what your trying to say and it’s easier to move the goal post to shootings or suspects instead of the concrete numbers. You know many people won’t look at the data so you use dishonest tactics to try and pretend it fits your point.
Last edited by Lorgar Aurelian; 2019-12-13 at 08:08 PM.
I don't know what concert numbers are.
Anyway, I think focusing on "hate crimes" is generally silly when I personally wouldn't much prefer being shot by someone that doesn't hate me. The point is that the hysteria about Nazis in New York City is ridiculous - you might get murdered in New York, but Nazis are pretty unlikely to be the people that kill you there.
Not really. I've had two core points that I stand by:
1. You're probably not going to be a victim of Nazi violence.
2. The linked article misleads people about Nazi violence by providing an example that wasn't done by Nazis.
I apologize if I haven't been sufficiently clear about what my central claims are.
The framing in the OP article doesn't outright say "Nazis did this", but it opens with discussion of "far-right groups", discusses the Jersey murders, then moves onto discussing the Proud Boys. A reader that's unfamiliar with the Jersey murders would certainly be inclined to believe that they're an example of neo-Nazis violence. I realize that now that this has been pointed out people will insist that this definitely isn't what the NYT is trying to do though.
It absolutely is a conflict to bring up a hate crime and then sayOnly to in the next breath say they shouldn’t focus on hate crimes because people get shot from non hate crimes.So anyway, yes, New York City should track anti-Semites closely because they do have an anti-Semitism problem, but it's mostly not coming from the people that the New York Times wants you to picture when you think "anti-Semite".
"When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown
" A reader that's unfamiliar with the Jersey murders would certainly be inclined to believe that they're an example of neo-Nazis violence", ........is what you said.
There's nothing in the article at all, that says the Jersey murders were an example of Neo-Nazi violence. Doesn't say it, doesn't imply it, doesn't misdirect to it. It bothered you so much, you've had to argue about it and tout it like it actually happened.
So either you got the wrong impression about it OR you made it up.
"When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown
There's absolutely no way that this is how you usually read articles. You'd have to have some bizarre dissociative disorder to not see any implication by that paragraph being sandwiched between sections about neo-Nazis if that's not the underlying implication. Articles have central themes that they support via the fact pattern therein, they're not just random strings of facts.
To be blunt, I think you've degenerated this into a deliberately retarded argument, so you can have the last word on it. Either you actually can't accomplish the basics of reading comprehension or you're denying obvious reality to try to score points.
"When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown
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