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  1. #261
    These names are so confusing.
    Before Xbox One, I always call the original Xbox, Xbox 1.

    All xboxes are just PCs with a few exclusive games.
    The only reason I bought the original Xbox was because of the online games.
    PC was flooded with cheaters.

    Xbox One and its games are cheaper than PC games now.
    That was not like that before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormspark View Post
    Tflops is like Mips was back in the day. Meaningless number. The "tflop" ratings of the PS4 Pro and XB1X are BS, because there are cards out there with lower "tflop" numbers that absolutely stomp them. The 2080 and 2080ti will definitely demolish whatever they're putting in the new consoles, and it doesn't even matter because Nvidia will have a new generation out by then. AMD has not been able to touch Nvidia on the high end since the launch of the 780ti. They're competitive in midrange and low end GPU's. Would I like to see AMD make a GPU that's competitive with the 2080ti? Sure. Competition is good. But it probably won't happen.
    Consoles have fudged numbers before for marketing, and I think there's a little of that going on here as well. My belief is that both Sony and Microsoft are going to have RDNA1.0 based consoles in 2020, but maybe also RDNA2.0 released later on or in 2020 for a higher price. The name "Xbox Series X" suggests that Microsoft maybe using the "X" nomenclature to show that's the high end model, and of course Microsoft showed off some $600 or $700 high end console before showing what's the mainstream console. Sony maybe doing the same thing with a PS5 Pro to be eventually released.

    AMD can definitely release a high end GPU that'll out do a 2080Ti, but by then Nvidia will have a 3080Ti. Having the fastest most expensive GPU in the market is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win, I'm still not buying into that. Nobody in their right mind is buying a RTX 2080Ti for over $1k. Nvidia has certainly had their butt cheeks slammed shut when they heard what these new consoles are able to do, and claimed their RTX 2080 and 2080Ti is faster. That's not something to be proud of when your overpriced GPU's are faster than a console that's probably cheaper. If Nvidia doesn't drastically lower prices then the PC gaming market could go back to the dark ages like in 2006 when the drastically cheaper consoles made sense over PC. AMD has no reason to lower prices because nothing they do will ever take market share away from Nvidia, plus they have a conflict of interest with their investment in both next generation game consoles. This is why I hope Intel shakes things up because there's a rumor now that suggests GPU prices are going up in 2020.

  3. #263
    The Xbox Series S got leaked so MS came out and confirmed the specs and pricing: £249/$299, 120FPS at 1440p, 4K upscaling for games, 4K media playback, support for DirectX raytracing, a custom NVME 512GB SSD, and it's 60 per cent smaller than the X https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-priced-usd299

    That's a nice price. But a 512GB drive for a digital-only next gen console? That's going to hurt. Still, I expect that price is going to attract a lot of new people to the ecosystem.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    The Xbox Series S got leaked so MS came out and confirmed the specs and pricing: £249/$299, 120FPS at 1440p, 4K upscaling for games, 4K media playback, support for DirectX raytracing, a custom NVME 512GB SSD, and it's 60 per cent smaller than the X https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-priced-usd299

    That's a nice price. But a 512GB drive for a digital-only next gen console? That's going to hurt. Still, I expect that price is going to attract a lot of new people to the ecosystem.
    If it had a disk drive I would buy one but it doesn't. I care about Backwards compatibility and it seems that MS is the only ones doing it so ill wait for a Series X to get a price cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    The Xbox Series S got leaked so MS came out and confirmed the specs and pricing: £249/$299, 120FPS at 1440p, 4K upscaling for games, 4K media playback, support for DirectX raytracing, a custom NVME 512GB SSD, and it's 60 per cent smaller than the X https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-priced-usd299

    That's a nice price. But a 512GB drive for a digital-only next gen console? That's going to hurt. Still, I expect that price is going to attract a lot of new people to the ecosystem.
    Seriously, but fuckin why? I don't get this high refresh rate shit. Most folks have their consoles hooked up to TV's, not higher performance monitors. HDR and 4K may be more common now, but high refresh rate fuckin ain't, nor is an abnormal 2K resolution. What's the point of outputting twice the framerate most TV's can actually pump out?

    And I guess it's nice that it's got a 512GB SSD is damned small for modern games. That's like, maybe 2 CoD's if you're lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And I guess it's nice that it's got a 512GB SSD is damned small for modern games. That's like, maybe 2 CoD's if you're lucky.
    The BR is over 200GB now, You can't fit two of them on the SSD cause I bet after system its around 440GB.

    SSD or not anything short of 1TB is a joke.
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  7. #267
    Considering the size of patches on the current gen xbone can hit 60gb+ quite often thats going to be a 4 game hard drive tops if next gen file bloat is as big as predicted. With no disc drive either this feels like its just for people with high speed internet to churn through gamepass fodder and not much else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    If it had a disk drive I would buy one but it doesn't. I care about Backwards compatibility and it seems that MS is the only ones doing it so ill wait for a Series X to get a price cut.
    Haven't Sony said that the PS5 would play all PS4 and PS3 games?
    I might just be misremembering

  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    Considering the size of patches on the current gen xbone can hit 60gb+ quite often thats going to be a 4 game hard drive tops if next gen file bloat is as big as predicted. With no disc drive either this feels like its just for people with high speed internet to churn through gamepass fodder and not much else.
    They have a memory expansion slot so they can sell you additional storage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Haven't Sony said that the PS5 would play all PS4 and PS3 games?
    I might just be misremembering
    Most PS4 games, word is nothing before that.

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Haven't Sony said that the PS5 would play all PS4 and PS3 games?
    I might just be misremembering
    Most PS4 and nothing before that.

    How they are handling BC is shit, But that's all ill say on it don't want to derail.
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  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    If it had a disk drive I would buy one but it doesn't. I care about Backwards compatibility and it seems that MS is the only ones doing it so ill wait for a Series X to get a price cut.
    Its a good thing MS focuses on BC because they sure as hell don't have modern games worth a shit.

  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Its a good thing MS focuses on BC because they sure as hell don't have modern games worth a shit.
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  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    They have a memory expansion slot so they can sell you additional storage.
    Ah yes "buy more shit to tac on to be able to store digital games on the all digital console" thats really keeping the price down, worked great for the Vita
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  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Seriously, but fuckin why? I don't get this high refresh rate shit. Most folks have their consoles hooked up to TV's, not higher performance monitors. HDR and 4K may be more common now, but high refresh rate fuckin ain't, nor is an abnormal 2K resolution. What's the point of outputting twice the framerate most TV's can actually pump out?

    And I guess it's nice that it's got a 512GB SSD is damned small for modern games. That's like, maybe 2 CoD's if you're lucky.
    that would only happen if you had a tv that could do it. almost all LG OLEDs 2018 or 2019 and up have HDMI 2.1 and 4k120 support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    Ah yes "buy more shit to tac on to be able to store digital games on the all digital console" thats really keeping the price down, worked great for the Vita
    you only have to use the expansion slot if you want more available storage for games but you can use a hard drive as cold storage and move the games back into fast storage when you want to play

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Fully agree.
    thats just wrong lol they have plenty of upcoming games that look like they'll be great plus a new high budget studio they're dubbing "AAAA" so expect more things. Xbox isnt just doing nothing and people that dont see that are morons lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Consoles have fudged numbers before for marketing, and I think there's a little of that going on here as well. My belief is that both Sony and Microsoft are going to have RDNA1.0 based consoles in 2020, but maybe also RDNA2.0 released later on or in 2020 for a higher price. The name "Xbox Series X" suggests that Microsoft maybe using the "X" nomenclature to show that's the high end model, and of course Microsoft showed off some $600 or $700 high end console before showing what's the mainstream console. Sony maybe doing the same thing with a PS5 Pro to be eventually released.

    AMD can definitely release a high end GPU that'll out do a 2080Ti, but by then Nvidia will have a 3080Ti. Having the fastest most expensive GPU in the market is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win, I'm still not buying into that. Nobody in their right mind is buying a RTX 2080Ti for over $1k. Nvidia has certainly had their butt cheeks slammed shut when they heard what these new consoles are able to do, and claimed their RTX 2080 and 2080Ti is faster. That's not something to be proud of when your overpriced GPU's are faster than a console that's probably cheaper. If Nvidia doesn't drastically lower prices then the PC gaming market could go back to the dark ages like in 2006 when the drastically cheaper consoles made sense over PC. AMD has no reason to lower prices because nothing they do will ever take market share away from Nvidia, plus they have a conflict of interest with their investment in both next generation game consoles. This is why I hope Intel shakes things up because there's a rumor now that suggests GPU prices are going up in 2020.
    ....both consoles will be RDNA2 idk where you got that its RDNA 1

  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    thats just wrong lol they have plenty of upcoming games that look like they'll be great plus a new high budget studio they're dubbing "AAAA" so expect more things. Xbox isnt just doing nothing and people that dont see that are morons lol
    And what games mite those be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    that would only happen if you had a tv that could do it. almost all LG OLEDs 2018 or 2019 and up have HDMI 2.1 and 4k120 support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    that would only happen if you had a tv that could do it. almost all LG OLEDs 2018 or 2019 and up have HDMI 2.1 and 4k120 support.
    Not everyone has a 1-2 year old TV, and many who buy 4K TV's are likely to spring for older, much cheaper models that still come with HDR. Even for those that support 2.1, not all use the full bandwidth it affords. Realistically it makes no sense. Between a huge chunk of TV's not being able to support it at all and the fact that we're still apparently looking at 4K/30 or 4K/60 gaming for the most part, I just don't see the niche for super high refresh rates.

    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    you only have to use the expansion slot if you want more available storage for games but you can use a hard drive as cold storage and move the games back into fast storage when you want to play
    True, but it'll be a massive pain in the ass if you have any meaningful digital library. Needing to move a 180GB game from an external HDD to the internal SSD is still limited by the HDD read speeds, and with a SSD that small you'll need to do a lot of it if you play more than a few games at a time. 512GB is absolutely tiny, and even the OG Xbox One was criticized for its small 500GB HDD when it launched.

    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    thats just wrong lol they have plenty of upcoming games that look like they'll be great plus a new high budget studio they're dubbing "AAAA" so expect more things. Xbox isnt just doing nothing and people that dont see that are morons lol
    Halo and...? Halo is delayed and is a huge gut-punch for Microsoft. What else is coming on the horizon? I know we've got some titles from studios they acquired like Hellblade 2, but the heavy hitting IP's and the desired wave of first party titles to support a hardware launch aren't really here.

    As for the "AAAA" nonsense...that's garbage marketing bullshit, nothing more. Microsoft don't have the track record to earn blind trust on that, this past generation has been a pretty big failure overall for them with multiple significant misses (sup Crackdown 3!). I'm still surprised they don't have a stronger first party launch lineup, to be honest. They knew they needed to come out swinging this generation after faceplanting at the start of the current generation and never regaining their footing, but while they've got the raw hardware power to have some incredible games on the Series X they're really lacking corresponding software to make people actually want to buy it.

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    but while they've got the raw hardware power to have some incredible games on the Series X they're really lacking corresponding software to make people actually want to buy it.
    I'm all for competition but Microsoft is going to learn raw power doesn't mean shit when it comes to console gaming. Hell look at the Switch and how well its doing and its the weakest of the current systems by miles. Each time "Strong Hardware" has been a selling point it has flopped (Sega,N64, OG Xbox, PSP/Vita) in comparison to its competition.

    120FPS is pointless on a console when the vast majority (99%) only go to 60FPS. Its PR numbers and they hope they will get someone to buy a TV that says (120 Clear Motion Index) or some other false advertising shit and its actually just 60FPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Not everyone has a 1-2 year old TV, and many who buy 4K TV's are likely to spring for older, much cheaper models that still come with HDR. Even for those that support 2.1, not all use the full bandwidth it affords. Realistically it makes no sense. Between a huge chunk of TV's not being able to support it at all and the fact that we're still apparently looking at 4K/30 or 4K/60 gaming for the most part, I just don't see the niche for super high refresh rates.



    True, but it'll be a massive pain in the ass if you have any meaningful digital library. Needing to move a 180GB game from an external HDD to the internal SSD is still limited by the HDD read speeds, and with a SSD that small you'll need to do a lot of it if you play more than a few games at a time. 512GB is absolutely tiny, and even the OG Xbox One was criticized for its small 500GB HDD when it launched.



    Halo and...? Halo is delayed and is a huge gut-punch for Microsoft. What else is coming on the horizon? I know we've got some titles from studios they acquired like Hellblade 2, but the heavy hitting IP's and the desired wave of first party titles to support a hardware launch aren't really here.

    As for the "AAAA" nonsense...that's garbage marketing bullshit, nothing more. Microsoft don't have the track record to earn blind trust on that, this past generation has been a pretty big failure overall for them with multiple significant misses (sup Crackdown 3!). I'm still surprised they don't have a stronger first party launch lineup, to be honest. They knew they needed to come out swinging this generation after faceplanting at the start of the current generation and never regaining their footing, but while they've got the raw hardware power to have some incredible games on the Series X they're really lacking corresponding software to make people actually want to buy it.
    who cares what TVs people have now, the consoles are setup for the future so thats a limited view in your eyes. people that dont have it can just run in lower res and get the perf they want.

    Who cares if its a massive pain. if you want it to not be a pain get an NVME expansion that multiple vendors will sell. NVME isnt cheap, never was. At least they still gave you the option to use HDD as cold storage instead of not at all. You can also get a standard SATA external SSD which would move files much quick than a shit ass 5400rpm external

    One, sony has basically nothing at launch as well so that shouldnt be something you compare it to to. They have basically only the Miles Morales game which isn't a full game. its basically a stand alone DLC to spiderman with only a 10hr campaign if that.

    Xbox has these titles in the works and i expect great things. Remember theyve only had all these studios for like 2 years so projects are still in the works
    Halo Infinite
    Avowed
    Everwild
    Forza
    Fable
    Hellblade2
    Scorn

    I honestly think all these titles will end up being great as theyre not really pulling any punches this gen. Sony of course has titles in the works as well but theyre 1-3 years out still

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    AAAA
    Ah the mythical AAAA game. Can't wait.

  20. #280
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And I guess it's nice that it's got a 512GB SSD is damned small for modern games. That's like, maybe 2 CoD's if you're lucky.
    Well CoD is from ActiShit so the install size makes no sense, I mean a game like red dead 2 is 103GB and a CoD themed BR is over 200GB so yeah shit.
    Also wasn't there some new tech coming to next gen to try and get the file sizes down a bit ? dunno i vaguely remember reading something about it months back.

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