Making a statement that is objectively false is not a 'perspective' though. How people choose to respond to it is, but a false statement is a false statement. If Trump says "If the wind isn't blowing you can't watch TV", it is not my 'perspective' that this statement is wrong, the statement is just wrong. That is not how wind energy works. If Trump says (repeatedly) the government has given $92 billion in aid to Puerto Rico for Hurricane Maria, that is just a lie. Not a perspective, a lie. It is not true. Again, my perspective of him, politics, party identity, whatever can differ revolving around my response to the lie, but it is still a lie.
A majority of Americans support impeachment and removal. The nation remains "unmoved" as you put it because Americans decided they knew everything they needed to know about Trump a long time ago, and it is not in Trump's favor. Nobody can change their opinion of him, either which way.
The bar for High Crimes and Misdemeanors is easily fulfilled by the House Impeachment indictment. We only have had hundreds of Constitutional Law experts attesting to that fact as well.
Yes Connal. That is part of the plan. Like are you fresh out of the womb or something? Part of the impeachment effort is to damage Trump going into 2020. We are succeeding in that effort. It is political. It is destructive.
What do you think this is? Fair? Impeachment is a political act. There is nothing fair about this. Especially with a Republican Senate that would defend Trump even if he raped their wives in front of him. The goal is inflict damage. To create a marker to weaponize down the road.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
And it's unacceptable and he will be held accountable, and by implication, so will they.
This line that people like you keep using "they knew that when they voted for him..." ... that doesn't excuse it, him or them. Especially when explicit wrong doing occurs like it did here. In fact, it makes them even more complicit.
Their choice was unacceptable and impeachment is the majority of Americans through Congress illustrating to Trump supporters that we condemn their their illegitimate choice and condemn their failure to uphold the Constitution, the rule of law and our traditions.
I'm honestly more mystified by the fact that you keep insisting you'll never change anyone's position when everyone makes it abundantly clear to you that the reason why they don't consider your viewpoints is that your arguments are not based in anything factual and are instead just apologia for political extremism.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Christ it's gotten a lot more treacherous knowing who and what kind of people we're talking to on the internet in the last few years.
I honestly don't get how people watch goddamn Youtube and watch people like Peterson, Shapiro or Crowder and get enraptured by that shit. Is their internal constitution that flimsy? How do people get snookered by these radical con artists so easily.
Is it just like them filling a hole made by absent parental figures, non-existence real life mentors and poor education or something? It's completely bonkers. Because as of late it really seems like I talk to some one, and then they mention "well Steve Crowder says..." and I just stop dead in my tracks and realize I've wasted 45 minutes of my life.
Apologising, making excuses for, etc. Call it what you will. You're making justifications for their viewpoints and trying to paint their viewpoints as having equal legitimacy to ones based in fact.
We're not buying the "impartial observer" act, bud. That lost its novelty a while ago.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
.... Yes? That's been my whole point. I fundamentally do not understand how anyone can support him, and I have previously not had a "you people" mindset to any major political affiliation but I have one now to diehard Trump supporters because of this, their hand-waving, ignoring, or denying his flat-out lying to their face. I don't get it. That part yes is my perspective. That Trump lies constantly is not.
The Trumphadis have abjectly failed to counter impeachment up to this point. If anything, what's been notable is their absence of talking points and their inability to push back on Democrat's narratives in a meaningful way.
Democrats have completely dominated the messaging of the Impeachement saga thusfar. It hasn't been close.
We're in a period of political and social transition and upheaval and people are looking for new answers to old questions, which opens the door for a lot of people selling ideological snake oil.
It's just radicalization, plain and simple. These folks are the West's equivalent of unemployed Syrian men who get conned into dying for Daesh.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi