What's next after impeachment?

[Xyonai]

I'd still honestly say it's too far to tell. As we saw in the week of the formal inquiry so much crap was unearthed within such a short amount of time, giving the public new insights into the breadth of the Ukraine Scandal (which I can assure the Slav-Swastika having fella above me isn't just a conspiracy theory ) and was enough to sway public opinion to majority in favor of impeachment.

So, a lot of shit can still happen from now to then, but my best guesses is that the GOP controlled senate will do absolutely everything in their power to stonewall it, ignore their constitutional duties to be impartial on the procedures, and use their shady victory as a vindicated rallying cry in hopes of spinning the narrative into 'TOTAL EXONERATION' like they did with the released Mueller report.

From there, Democrats should focus on running that into the ground with their advertising moving forward. Highlight how little the GOP seems to care about the Presidential Abuses of Power, proclaim from the highest peaks how much of an absolute sniveling Coward Trump is for never even showing up to his own impeachment, and take the previous point along with his Tax Returns about how little Trump actually thinks about the laws and rules of the land.

Move the narrative into his Lawlessness, and run it with the same blind confidence the GOP puts into their own failed conspiracy theory bullshit.

[Moggott]

Well everyone is hoping for Trump and his ilk to get jailed, nothing new there.

Everyone? You seem confused.

However he doesnt seem able to break the 40%ish approval rating

Hillary was a 90% chance of winning don't you remember?

Key is (as always) swing voters, which Trump won't win over again, their vote in 2016 was more a rejection of Hillary than a approval of Trump.

Trump will win comprehensibly due to the corrupt nature of the 3 years long reeing against him by deluded leftists. What will be your excuse then?

[Wyrt]

Trump will win comprehensibly due to the corrupt nature of the 3 years long reeing against him by deluded leftists. What will be your excuse then?

Then why didn't Hillary win after the decade of Republicans reeing against her?

[Flarelaine]

You can be an "honest" person; or a person that lies through the teeth and be honest about who he/she is... a lier...

Sometimes people appreciate that there is no pretense. That, to people that say he is honest, is what they usually mean... they know he is a lier, exaggerator, etc, etc... he makes it obvious.

This makes no sense. Lying is pretense.

[Waniou]

Since we know that dems were trying to impeach him since 2017 and talks about impeachment of Trump in case he wins started in 2016 it will most likely continue even in his second term.

They will also come up with more conspiracy theories just like their failed Russian collusion or Ukraine quid pro quo conspiracy theory.

You mean the Russian collusion that had several people sent to jail as a result and the Ukraine quid pro quo that Trump admitted on TV?

[Xyonai]

You mean the Russian collusion that had several people sent to jail as a result and the Ukraine quid pro quo that Trump admitted on TV?

Just let it go man, he's been parroting this same thing for the last year and will keep on sliding it in whenever he can to get a rise out of people.

[Cizr]

You mean the Russian collusion that had several people sent to jail as a result and the Ukraine quid pro quo that Trump admitted on TV?

Russia collusion was supposed to end of Trump but it ended up being big nothing and noone could prove that Trump colluded with Russians, so yeah failed conspiracy theory.

Funny how Trump and Ukraine president both denied quid pro quo and pressure/bribery/blackmail

Zelensky told reporters: "We had I think good phone call. It was normal. We spoke about many things. So, I think, and you read it, that nobody pushed me."

"The next day, Zelensky said President Trump had not pressured anyone nor made any promises"

Subsequently, at an all-day press conference on October 10, Zelensky said he had learned about the blockage of the military aid only after the July 25 phone call. "We didn't speak about this. There was no blackmail

[Xyonai]

Trump will win comprehensibly due to the corrupt nature of the 3 years long reeing against him by deluded leftists. What will be your excuse then?

Assuming that you're even here for an honest discussion about the complex nature of American Geopolitics and aren't just saying stuff to say stuff: This point really stands out to me. What does Trump's opposition have to do with his own popularity? And, as Wyrt pointed out, how did the same thing not work in Hillary's favor for how much resistance she met against the GOP?

His favorability hasn't breached 45% since he was sworn in, he still lost the popular vote, and he's honestly done very little to actually address the issues that carried him in the swing states that golf-carted him into the White House. The Economy hasn't really gotten better or worse - yet - since he took over, and all he's really done as far as outreach goes is further alienate the general public with his attitude and personality.

So the Democrats 'Reeing' at him seems to be a very poor metric to measure his future successes, though I guess a point could be made he could still win despite a majority of voters not wanting him in the first place

[Gestopft]

Funny how Trump and Ukraine president both denied quid pro quo and pressure/bribery/blackmail

Just as funny as the husband and wife both telling the police that she got the black eye from falling down. And as believable.

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Since we know that dems were trying to impeach him since 2017 and talks about impeachment of Trump in case he wins started in 2016 it will most likely continue even in his second term.

This is the most prescient thing you've said: given his flagrant disregard for Democratic norms and values and the high likelihood that he will continue to engage in impeachable conduct, this very well might not be the end of impeachment talk.

[Kiri]

Funny how Trump and Ukraine president both denied quid pro quo and pressure/bribery/blackmail

If that's funny to you, then the justice system must be pretty hilarious, to be honest. In most cases, the people involved in an bribery incident will deny it, especially when they aren't actually testifying under oath.
Not really making any point about the case one way or another - a proper trial with investigation would have to be had for that - but just saying that bribery didn't happen because those involved, i.e. those who have the most to lose if it is proven, say it didn't happen is....not a convincing argument. Those accused of involvement in a crime tend to deny it, especially if they have any expectation to be acquitted by the system anyway.

Edit: Also, why do we even have this thread? Feels to me like this could just as well be discussed in the megathread, especially since that will soon fall into a lull of not much new information.

[Draco-Onis]

Um... you realize, of course that the idea of Messiah and end of the World is a Jewish concept, yeah?

What Will Happen When Moshiach Comes?
https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...iach-Comes.htm

The end, however, is a happy time in Judaism... not a bad/sad one... and indeed to many Orthodox Jews Moshiach is imminent... the times we are living in are seen as messianic.

We want Moshiach now
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ar...cle.aspx/20652

His approval among Secular Jews in the US is abysmal... not religious ones. His support in Israel is high all around.

Asylum? Top job? What a friend Trump has in Israel, should impeachment get real
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/4298605002/

Do Jews believe that Trump will bring the end of the world? no your polls on secular Jews is no different then your conservative Jews comment. The end of the world is part and parcel to most religions but they don't think Trump will bring it for them.

As for his approval ratings on Israel who cares? you realize that Jews are divided on the subject of Israel especially the action of the government? they also don't vote on US elections you seem desperate to make Trump look good in the Jewish community where his overall approval rating is between 25-30%.

[Mayhem]

It's rather odd watching people radicalized into alt-righters in real time.

He would willingly give his life for society if they deem him unworthy. It's past the point of getting radicalized.

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I don’t look down on anyone here. I do however think people are wrong to attack whole groups of people because they don’t vote like they do.

That is not the reason, you would know that if you'd actually read the responses instead of imagining stuff between the lines that's not there.

[Draco-Onis]

Some Jews think Trump is being used by G-d to atone for the West.

Thank you for defeating your own point some not the same amount as evangelicals that support him because they think he will end the world.

[Draco-Onis]

That’s a given... as there are more people in Cufi(https://www.cufi.org/) than Jews in the world.

But it’s enough for Trump to go ask for money and votes...

Trump tries to raise money from everyone even Hispanics the only color he isn't scared of is green, he only got 23% of the Jewish vote against Clinton so it is doubtful he thinks he is going to win the plurality of them. On topic though it is rather sad the future of the republican party during Bush they got 44% of the Hispanic vote with all indication that it would be rising. I do not wish for a one party system but we will see what the future hold.

[Trunksee]

All this malcontent. And what if by chance Trump wins again and the house flips. Now its slim both happen but if one at least does then what? Does it stay the same or do the Dems finally start to cave. The dems do not have a great challenge for him. They need a more moderate to defeat him in my opinion and its just not there. How will the reaction be percieved? Right now to me it a turning point and could go either way.

[Draco-Onis]

We will see if in 2020 his number goes up, or down with Jews. Should be an interesting election.

I doubt it will change the republican party's support among minority groups is only going in one direction thanks to Trump. The main reason is especially with Jews there is more to winning their votes than Israel, Israelis are not Jews.

[Machismo]

All this malcontent. And what if by chance Trump wins again and the house flips. Now its slim both happen but if one at least does then what? Does it stay the same or do the Dems finally start to cave. The dems do not have a great challenge for him. They need a more moderate to defeat him in my opinion and its just not there. How will the reaction be percieved? Right now to me it a turning point and could go either way.

Nah, you don't cave to racist authoritarians. You don't pander to corrupt assholes and peeping Toms.

National socialism is not going to take over this country, no matter how much you Trumpsters want it to.

[Adam Jensen]

Hillary was a 90% chance of winning don't you remember?

Yay! Another low post alt. Anyways, [Citation Needed]

Most polls had her ahead of Trump, or slightly behind Trump, by small margins.

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Funny how Trump and Ukraine president both denied quid pro quo and pressure/bribery/blackmail

What? Trump denying he did wrong doing? No way! Wrap it up boys, it's over.

[Cizr]

Yay! Another low post alt. Anyways, [Citation Needed]

Most polls had her ahead of Trump, or slightly behind Trump, by small margins.

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What? Trump denying he did wrong doing? No way! Wrap it up boys, it's over.

New York Times
Clinton 85 percent chance of winning

Hypermind: Clinton 74 percent chance of winning

PredictWise: Clinton 89 percent chance of winning

Reuters/Ipsos States of the Nation: Clinton 90 percent chance of winning

ABC News Political Analyst Matthew Dowd: Clinton 95 percent chance of winning

https://www.thewrap.com/every-poll-t...-donald-trump/


Well its mostly important that Ukraine president denied it too lol but ofcourse that does not fit your narrative.

[Adam Jensen]

Well its mostly important that Ukraine president denied it too lol but ofcourse that does not fit your narrative.

Actually it doesn't, because it can still be blackmail if the person being blackmailed believes it wasn't.