Lich King Bolvar vs Mannoroth

[darkoms]

None of the original wild gods is the strongest or the weakest. There are no sources where it would be written directly. Everything else is the speculation and fiction of the little fans.

That is, you did not read the War of the Ancients and do not see the huge difference in strength between Malorne and others?

[Sunderella]

Mannoroth was punked by a single Orc with no powers twice. Hes never fought anyone of notable power.
Her arrows can destroy multi ton ice spears yet she couldn't kill Bolvar after hitting him several times that says a lot for Bolvar's durability and power.

I woulnt say that she intended to kill Bolvar. In fact all she does is to disable him and then pick and destroy the helmet. If she had wanted him dead, he would be dead looking at how badly she roflstomped him.

[Chonar]

BUT BUT YOU GUYS
Mannoroth got killed by Grom Hellscream SO GROM HELLSCREAM IS MORE POWERFUL
Wait but
GROM GOT CAPTURED BY FEL LORD ZAKUUN

So OBVIOUSLY Fel Lord Zakuun has the HIGHEST POWER LEVELLLL


These VS threads are silly.

[funcik]

That is, you did not read the War of the Ancients and do not see the huge difference in strength between Malorne and others?

Bring me the words from the book "War of the Ancients" which says "Malorne - the strongest Wild God"

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BUT BUT YOU GUYS
Mannoroth got killed by Grom Hellscream SO GROM HELLSCREAM IS MORE POWERFUL
Wait but
GROM GOT CAPTURED BY FEL LORD ZAKUUN

So OBVIOUSLY Fel Lord Zakuun has the HIGHEST POWER LEVELLLL


These VS threads are silly.

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[Terongor]

Is it really so hard for you to understand that this is not a separate regime with a separate phase in which the Yogg-Saron knocks out the Keepers or something? This is a completely different case.
But in any case, yes, it doesn’t matter, because it all started with your stupid comparison with the fact that the heroes defeated Yogg-Saron, could not defeat the Lich King. Both Ancient Gods were far from full strength, much further from their peak than the Lich King.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

He lost to Arthas only because of his self-confidence and desire to play. He could have burned Arthas alive, and he also simply did not expect Arthas to have the strength to strike. And it was not the same Arthas, as in Ashenvale. The Lich King gave Arthas all his remaining strength, Arthas was stronger than ever before. Read the Chronicles.
This does not negate the fact that he was holding back Mannorot alone, go into the dungeon. He did not almost lose, although he was the pit lord and was able to strike him. And I advise you to read a book about Illidan, where he alone and very easily defeated Magtheridon. He needed the help of others only to bind him, but if he wanted to kill him, he would do it.

That is, Nzot specially does not give Azshara enough strength so that she can free him? Cool. Especially considering that he knew that after he received his freedom, it would not be a threat to him. The WC3 manual is no longer a canon, and it doesn’t matter. It also was not that she could not defeat him, we generally have no idea what the duel was. It only says that they began to fight, but Azshara could not stop him from destroying the portal. This does not mean that he was stronger, it means that he directed his forces to the portal and Azshara did not have time to do anything.

Deathwing would not have met him willingly, but this does not mean that he would have run away from him in horror. Also do not forget that we have no idea how strong Medivh is without Sargeras inside.

Well true overall and it means that aspects or wild gods could have easily taken care of both C'thun in vanilla and Yogg-saron in wotlk.

As N'zoth is weakest of the old gods and he was most likely more imprisoned than Yogg sas Yogg physical chains were broken in the room and at the end of azshara fight the chains broke and all others meaning at the moment he should have being weaker than Yogg was in wotlk so ofc avatar was stronger.

It never stated arthas became stronger than he was ever was just that LK infused some of his energies to arthas and if we take to account how arthas kept on growing weaker during whole TFT campaign. Given that a single strike from a pit lord threw illidan so much for no reason when he in his metamorphis state and how little damage his eye beams did to the pit lord and how long it took for illidan to recover from a single strike of annihilan who was weaker than mannoroth or the in the illidan book Illidan had load out a massive attack to fight against just an doomguard commander and not face him openly. Also later in WotA we have illidan became just toy when malfurions vines just imprisoned him after illidan made the second well and malf wasn't even an archdruid at that point showing just how inconsistent illidan has being in his writing.

Given how Azshara nearly succeded on her plans with the black blade of the empire and she would have if it wasn't for us so yeah with sealing n'zoth inside blade of the black empire was a threat to n'zoth. How its not canon? has blizz stated its not canon do we have thing which contradict it? Given how strong azshara was and that she bathed in the well and knew about it more than malf and that we have no knowledge of the duel more and there wasn't stated who won or lost it was mostly likely a draw meaning appretince druid held his own and closed the portal against azshara.

From that quote we still don't know if he meant sargeras medivh and the powers of sargeras or just the guardian powers and given how DW talks to creatures who should be far more powerful that they are "nothing" and how DW went to face Alex pretty willingly in cataclysm as 1v1(twilight highlands) calling medivhs power "unbeliaveble" and wouldn't face him willingly would place Medivh higher than anyone DW would face willingly.

[darkoms]

Bring me the words from the book "War of the Ancients" which says "Malorne - the strongest Wild God"

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This is the most stupid argument and the most stupid position possible if you are concerned only with direct statements and not with power
Give me a quote that says, ''Kil'jaeden and Archimonde are the most powerful demons in the Burning Legion''

[funcik]

This is the most stupid argument and the most stupid position possible if you are concerned only with direct statements and not with power
Give me a quote that says, ''Kil'jaeden and Archimonde are the most powerful demons in the Burning Legion''

To get started, start by saying that ARCH and KILJ are not demons.

[Trassk]

On reflection, something I find funny. From a lore perspective, these threats we face each expansion should be a cake walk at this stage. As characters, we have faced off against the lich king, deathwing, demon lords of the legion, titans and old god's. Putting game mechanics aside, shouldn't we just be able to walk up to whatever we face and one punch man end these things without any bother?

[Aucald]

On reflection, something I find funny. From a lore perspective, these threats we face each expansion should be a cake walk at this stage. As characters, we have faced off against the lich king, deathwing, demon lords of the legion, titans and old god's. Putting game mechanics aside, shouldn't we just be able to walk up to whatever we face and one punch man end these things without any bother?

From a lore perspective, that's not really how it works and we don't gain power in a linear and/or quadratic sense from engagement to engagement. When we take individuals like the Lich King or Deathwing or the Burning Legion, it's always with aid in some form and all of these powers are pretty much in a tier by themselves, far and away beyond the likes of us (the player characters). We defeated the Lich King only by direct intervention from the Light, and with the aid of the spirits released by Frostmourne (e.g. Terenas resurrecting us). We defeated Deathwing with the aid of the Aspects and Thrall, who were actually the ones to defeat him at the expense of their own essences. We killed Kil'jaeden and contended with Aggramar with the help of the Artifact weapons we found to aid us in that, and it took both the Artifacts as well as the direct aid of the Pantheon to contend with Argus (as Sargeras was simply beyond us in every way). Ditto for the Old Gods, where aside from C'Thun (himself not yet at full strength) we needed the help of the Keepers and now the help of the Speaker, the Keepers, and the Titan installations of Azeroth focused through the Chamber of Heart by MOTHER.

Even now, from a lore perspective, you couldn't stride up to Lich Arthas and swat him down like nothing - we don't have that kind of power. If a PC tried that the Lich King would pop them like a tick and then enslave their soul to the Scourge.

[darkoms]

To get started, start by saying that ARCH and KILJ are not demons.

Realy? Not demons? You are funny

[funcik]

Realy? Not demons? You are funny

And you are stupid

Infracted.

[darkoms]

And you are stupid

Infracted.

Will you give me the proof that Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden are not demons?

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

To get started, start by saying that ARCH and KILJ are not demons.

What? Man'ari Eredar are 100% considered demons in WoW.

[ZenmasterStar]

Considering Gorehowl was enough to bust Mannoroth both in the main universe and in alternate Draenor, i am pretty sure that Bolvar would only need to hit the pit lord once with sufficient strength and it would be over.
Not only that but Bolvar has flawless Telekinesis. He could just grab hald a hill and smash it into Mannoroth, completely obliterating him.

[ArenaDk]

I would say that depends. For example Legion deathknighs should have been able to match arthas, since the artifact page clearly said ,that the new twin blades are stronger then frostmourne. Meaning in a direct battle, the PC could overpower arthas. Since we cant measure which can use stronger magic, since arthas doesnt really use much at atll, I would go with the PC because of stronger armor, weapon and more combat expirience

[funcik]

What? Man'ari Eredar are 100% considered demons in WoW.

They are not the original demons, but a race that fell under the influence of the Legion, and one can also say about the "Fel Orcs." The original demons were the race of Mannoroth and race of Malganis.

[Kyphael]

Mannoroth. After that cinematic, I can never take Bolvar serious again. She turned him into a chump.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

They are not the original demons, but a race that fell under the influence of the Legion, and one can also say about the "Fel Orcs." The original demons were the race of Mannoroth and race of Malganis.

Okay? Never said they were originally demons. Any race can become a demon.

[funcik]

Okay? Never said they were originally demons. Any race can become a demon.

Name at least one demon from the orc race, nerd.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Name at least one demon from the orc race, nerd.

Did you forget the Fel Orcs of Outland/AU Draenor? Also Gorefiend was originally a Orc.