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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashiraya View Post
    I like this suggestion, because it would benefit me as well. If it disabled flying, it might actually become inconvenient enough to use WM that the 25% bonus isn't worth it.

    Meaning I can turn on peacemode again without feeling like missing out, which sounds trivial but actually brings a bit of peace of mind.
    You actually bring up a pretty good point.

    Having War Mode disable flight, but provide a bonus in gold/exp/rep/whatever, but having normal PVE mode provide flight would make a real choice with more parity.

    It's not a perfect solution, but it is a pretty good starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightstalker View Post
    To get alliance players to turn on Warmode for 25 kills per week, teleport to the next hub and turn it off again. This behaviour is downright pathetic.
    So what, we should leave it on so we're constantly rolled over by groups of Horde at any decent WQ in newer zones and basically can't get anything done?

  3. #103
    Watch a video by a Youtuber that actually enjoys world pvp: https://www.youtube.com/user/Soullscape/videos

    I think you'll get it. It's not about ganking all the time, it's about going out there and getting into some trouble and having fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzhands View Post
    So what, we should leave it on so we're constantly rolled over by groups of Horde at any decent WQ in newer zones and basically can't get anything done?
    Speak for yourself. I would recommend finding friends in the MMO you're playing. You'll find you will start doing the rolling, not be rolled.

    Crazy suggestion, I know.

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    So stop people having to pay $25 every time people want to change from PvE to PvP server.

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  5. #105
    Removing PvP servers.
    They always told me I would miss my family... but I never miss from close range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didly View Post
    Watch a video by a Youtuber that actually enjoys world pvp: https://www.youtube.com/user/Soullscape/videos

    I think you'll get it. It's not about ganking all the time, it's about going out there and getting into some trouble and having fun.

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    Speak for yourself. I would recommend finding friends in the MMO you're playing. You'll find you will start doing the rolling, not be rolled.

    Crazy suggestion, I know.
    I have plenty of friends, many of which I've been playing this game with for years. None of us enjoy PVP very much, let alone world PVP, but we'd be dumb to pass up a more or less free 415 on newer toons.

    The fact that Blizzard has to basically bribe people into wPVP says a lot. It's not a thing most people enjoy, because 95% of the time it's completely unbalanced which makes it either super shitty or super boring depending on the side you're on. There's nothing fun about rolling over people with a 2-1 advantage unless you're sadistic, and there's nothing fun about getting rolled over by a squad with twice your numbers. The rare semi-equal brawls can be fun, I've been in a few when I do AOO, but they are far in few between, no where near frequent enough to make Warmode interesting enough to warrant the massive amount of time I'd generally waste trying to get WQs done, and on top of that whenever they do happen I typically just think "Huh, this is kinda fun, good thing there's Arena so I can constantly have battles like this when I want".

    And, pretty funny. I actually checked out the channel you linked, first video of him in IF, went about 4 mins in. It was him, getting his ass handed to him by two random people so hard he had to kite and run into the Tram, where they apparently couldn't follow him due to sharding. Yeah, real good stuff. Good for him if he enjoys having to run away all the time from being outnumbered, but it's not for most people, and Warmode participation clearly shows that.

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    Remove PvP from Retail, except the BG's. Give them a PvP-Version of World of Warcracft with no flying, no safe zones and no item progress.
    Where every Char starts at max level and every player has the same item level.
    Then let them compete against each other until they rot.

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    Warmode is a toggle between playing on PvE and PvP server with PvP giving you more rewards to offset the time loss that may occur due to opposite faction killing you and delaying the completion of your quests/tasks.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    If you had listened to Blizzard, the intention was to give everybody the option to PvE or PvP server without having to change servers and leave friends behind. The bonus was intended to allow for situations where a player may be out matched or over powered by the opposite faction.

    Just like the ML issue, the real intention was for Blizzard to mitigate the damage the player base was doing to itself. Massive amounts of ninjaing and loot denial forced blizzards hand for ML. Rivers of tears about world PvP flowed constantly. People made the choice to go to these servers and eventually found themselves unable to compete out in the world because they chose the wrong server.

    As we see now with Classic, people are massive dickbags. They choose a PvP server and then are essentially stomped to the ground. Then they blame blizzard. Warmode stopped this. The only problem is that bonuses should have been XP only and people should have been convinced by fun gameplay and appropiate rewards for participating.
    This x 1000

    I don't know why people can't grasp this. Blizzard provided a better option than having to PAY to change server. And yet playerbase still complains WTF is wrong with you people.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Didly View Post
    it's about going out there and getting into some trouble and having fun.
    Then remove bonuses from warmode, then people will actually turn it on "for fun" instead of only to exploit the bonuses.

    The bonuses exist because Blizzard tries to bribe people who have no business doing pvp into pvp, for no other reason than to up the participation rates in world pvp.

    Remove the bonuses and I'd swear all the world pvpers will never have to worry about pve carebears runing their fun. Maybe the pvp shards will be more empty, maybe you'll have fewer of them, but you'll know 100% the only people who are in warmode are people who find world pvp fun and not people who just want extra xp, ap or item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kendro1200 View Post
    Really hate how people think flying killed wpvp. Flying didn't kill anything, queues and instanced pvp offering better rewards did. When queues were really long, people would use the long queues to go and do stuff. Short queues put all of the people that want to pvp into instanced pvp, isolated from the rest of the world. Which is a shame, because world pvp is certainly the best pvp, it breaks up the monotony for everyone, and is very fluid and natural. I'm sure some weird wpvp moment is some of the top pvp moments for most people. My favorite was a SS vs TM fight that migrated into Arathi Highlands. The Horde trapping the Alliance in Refuge Pointe, and the Alliance eventually pushing out.
    Fights like that happened only because people who wanted to pvp, and people who were somewhat inclined to pvp, had no better way to pvp than to pick a fight with others in the world.

    But hey, it's hard to gank people with flying mounts, so let's hate on those because it's the cool thing to do. The real enemy to wpvp is arenas and battlegrounds and their short queues, as well as the lack of the worthwhile pvp rewards in warmode. If people could quickly get their conquest and honor and get their weekly chest through Warmode, then we'd see a lot more people in Warmode. If that happened then, Blizzard would have troubles getting metrics of how much fun people are having, and they can't have that, as well as a lack of a competition to advertise at Blizzcon. Arenas are simple spectator sports, in comparison to battlegrounds, and battlegrounds are infinitely easier to advertise and make entertaining, than a forced SS vs TM conflict on a Blizzcon server between some random Alliance and Horde population. Certainly more fun for players, but harder for Blizzard to make money off of.
    I'll admit you bring up some very good points that I agree with.
    But would you agree flying played some part? Ever since it was introduced, yes, back in TBC, world PVP became less prominent. It was still there, just less often. When people can just up and fly away... it makes stuff moot.
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  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashiraya View Post
    And what it all makes me wonder is, what is the point of warmode? Some people tell me that it is crucial, that it is there to compensate WPvPers for their time lost WPvPing - but that is not what I am seeing,
    It is primary to remove PvP being bounded to servers and instead allow people to choose PvP if they want it.

    One of the problem in the past was that some friends wants to play together but some do not mind PvP and others does not want it. This created issues of friends either persist with PvP or change to PvE.

    Warmode is their solution. Player choose PvP rather than the server.

    Personally, PvP was relatively rare and even then a significant portion were ganking. So when people claim they want WPvP, i rarely belief it. If they truly want WPvP, they can raid faction cities but that rarely happens.

    So the fact you do not really encounter opposition suggest that not that many people actually want PvP and currently sees warmode as a bonus. Infact, there has been other posts complaining about how unfair when they cannot uses warmode due to numeric imbalance. Well, PvP has never been a fair fight and never will.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Xi Jinping View Post
    Listeen you got gangked and now you're complaining on forums, fair enought. But warmode saved world pvp for me, I have had endless fun and unexptected situtations unfold and I'm never gonna turn Warmode off again.

    Why can't you see the point about warmode? It's because we have too factions at war with each other. It's a feature that reflects that

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    And what is the reason that you don't engage in real, instanced ranked pvp? From what I've seen so far, wpvpers tend to be the equivalent of lfr raiders.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiza View Post
    And what is the reason that you don't engage in real, instanced ranked pvp? From what I've seen so far, wpvpers tend to be the equivalent of lfr raiders.
    I can agree with this, but it's still much more interesting than having wmode off. Every alliance I spontaneously come across is some backpedalling mouthbreather.

    The only ones that manage to kill me are literally outnumbering me 5:1 (I can usually cope with 2 or 3), or gladiators joining a LFG premade to clear my bounty. I see so many clowns who go tank spec and still can't win a fight. Tank spec =/= I.W.I.N.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie081 View Post
    I can agree with this, but it's still much more interesting than having wmode off. Every alliance I spontaneously come across is some backpedalling mouthbreather.

    The only ones that manage to kill me are literally outnumbering me 5:1 (I can usually cope with 2 or 3), or gladiators joining a LFG premade to clear my bounty. I see so many clowns who go tank spec and still can't win a fight. Tank spec =/= I.W.I.N.
    Because they are not pvp players and have not the slightest interest in pvping with you. They are literally bribed by Blizzard to play with you. So yeah, do you seriously feel good about beating people who have not the slightest interest in engaging in any shape or form in pvp and are simply bribed to do so?

    This is why wpvp is even worse than lfr. LFR at least doesn't gives bad players illusion of grandeur. LFR Raiders know, they do the tourist mode and have nothing to brag about when they defeat Azshara on LFR. Wpvp encourages bad players to feel and behave like some kind of elite gladiators because they can defeat players basically bribed into being their prey despite no intents on playing this game mode.

    Players who predominantly engage in world pvp should know, they are the lfr raiders of pvp and have nothing to feel proud about. Just like pvp players can only feel like they are actually archieving something if they at least beat the content in heroic, pvp players should acknowledge that nothing below a somewhere decent rank in actual pvp content matters.
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  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiza View Post
    Because they are not pvp players and have not the slightest interest in pvping with you. They are literally bribed by Blizzard to play with you. So yeah, do you seriously feel good about beating people who have not the slightest interest in engaging in any shape or form in pvp and are simply bribed to do so?

    This is why wpvp is even worse than lfr. LFR at least doesn't gives bad players illusion of grandeur. LFR Raiders know, they do the tourist mode and have nothing to brag about when they defeat Azshara on LFR. Wpvp encourages bad players to feel and behave like some kind of elite because they can defeat players basically bribed into their prey despite no intents on playing this game mode.
    I mean 80% of the time they come and attack me first so obviously they're interested in pvp lol. It's always while I'm killing mobs. Shock at them thinking it's an easy kill.

    Just because they don't win against me doesn't mean they're helpless LFR heroes who are bribed into something against their will. They just lost a fight despite picking it.

    No one forces them at all, it's their own decision to play with war mode on, and most people (especially alliance) don't.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    Warmode is a toggle between playing on PvE and PvP server with PvP giving you more rewards to offset the time loss that may occur due to opposite faction killing you and delaying the completion of your quests/tasks.
    Except that the extra reward is far greater than the time loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie081 View Post
    I can agree with this, but it's still much more interesting than having wmode off. Every alliance I spontaneously come across is some backpedalling mouthbreather.

    The only ones that manage to kill me are literally outnumbering me 5:1 (I can usually cope with 2 or 3), or gladiators joining a LFG premade to clear my bounty. I see so many clowns who go tank spec and still can't win a fight. Tank spec =/= I.W.I.N.
    When I'm in warmode (for the rewards) and I get attacked I literally lose on purpose. I would probably lose if I tried anyway because I'm not set up for pvp and 90% of the time it's a rogue that will stealth away anyway if I start to win (who's also often better geared than I am and is attacking me when I don't have full health), so why bother?

    If they are still there when I come back, I lose on purpose again. See who gets bored first. Just doing my part to hopefully make a ganker realize that he's just wasting his life on this bullshit.
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    I actually think Warmode is the best recent feature for retail. Sometimes I want world pvp, sometimes I don't. I don't like having to opt into either one permanently.

    What I don't like about it is the talent aspect. The talents themselves are mediocre depending on class. The way they're implemented is horrible. I'm not sure if they really listen to player feedback, so the PVP talents you get aren't necessarily fun. Some of them are just group utility that have no interaction. I dunno, I'm just not sure about the design on PVP talents or talents in general, on DK they are very weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    To bribe people into ganking world PvP by offering PvE bonuses, as well as a slightly more interesting toolkit for your class of choice.
    Locking abilities behind the PvP flag annoys the heck out of me. It's especially annoying with abilities that were once baseline or ordinary talents but are now only available in PvP.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    That's also a flawed premise. You really want people who are only there for the bonus, and who will likely actively avoid combat? Who have no interest in pvp, and will almost certainly leave the moment they get ganked.

    Basically you just asked for people to be griefed under the bait of a pve bonus. That's fucked, and quite honestly you should be ashamed for even suggesting it.

    This right here is the reason why wow wpvp is cancer.
    That person who actively avoided combat and just wanted extra sauce was me. I thought if I ever got ganked or ran into too many enemies I'd just turn it off.

    Then I played the game... got kills, made groups to tackle contested objectives, do the weeklies, seek out the optional PvP objectives and do assaults when they're up because I know other players will be there. I basically discovered something I had no interest in was tons of fun simply because Blizzard gave me a reason to try it, and I found out I was actually pretty good at something I assumed I'd be terrible at.

    I never turn Warmode off now. My AP is capped, my reps are done, War Resources are somewhere around 80k, I don't care about gold... yet it's still on. I never would've attempted it in the first place if it wasn't for the incentives though.

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