[TV] Disney+ Star Wars: Cassian Andor

[Biomega]

Of course they lost all charity during their botched sting, but even at the beginning of it they tried to do it without harming anyone else in the town. Imperials would have shot up the entire town and not even seen their target.

Of course the guy standing in for his boss/the overzealous boy scout, is probably going to start to adopt Imperial tendencies as the show progresses, completely losing his original more noble intentions.

I read it as a sort of allegory for why the Empire is bad. The megalomania of the Sith at the top aside, the Empire's main shtick is its self-congratulatory arrogance. They think they are the best version of what the Galaxy can be, and everyone else is just an inferior rabble that should either step aside and be subservient, or be ground into the dust where they belong. They're racist totalitarians, but they're not Sith. And by and large, they DO bring order to the Galaxy without the psychopathic insanity of the stereotypical Sith. They're what you could call the embodiment of the banality of evil: self-important bureaucrats more interested in everything working just so than they are in respecting people or their ways of life.

That's why Mr. Babyface Officer Dude is so obsessed with the Andor case. Not because he's some major-league criminal threatening the Empire, but because he's a cog that stuck out and scratched the perfect paint. And that needs correcting AT ALL COST, even far beyond the reasonableness someone with actual perspective could employ. Mr. Babyface Officer Dude is incapable of that precisely because he's nothing but a cog himself - some mid-level functionary who is dismissed by his superiors as too stupid to see the big picture, and served by his underlings because that's the hierarchy. They don't like him, he can't relate to them, but that's the way things work. And he's stuck riding out the mess he created.

Very well done, so far.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Watched the 3 existing episodes so far.
Definitely not bad. Definitely heads above the Pamphlet of Biba Fett.
My fiancee even suggested we re-watch Rogue One after we've finished with the show.

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I read it as a sort of allegory for why the Empire is bad.

I cannot see for the life of me.
Why IS Empire bad?
What makes Empire worse than Republic?

[Biomega]

I cannot see for the life of me.
Why IS Empire bad?
What makes Empire worse than Republic?

There's considerable overlap, especially during the late Republic. Bureaucrats and profiteers.

We'll undoubtedly see more detail as the show goes on, but in principle the Empire is a state of totalitarian racists obsessed with bringing THEIR order to the Galaxy - not for some grand purpose or personal gratification like the Sith, but just because it's their own narcissistic circle jerk to see everyone in their place, i.e. beneath them. The Empire's ideology is entirely self-congratulatory: they're the best, the optimal, the only way to PROPERLY run things. Everyone else needs to fall in line or be cut down to size. They're ultimately trapped in a small-minded functionary mindset - not surprising considering that's what the Sith have always instilled in them. The Sith are the big thinkers, the Great Lords of the Universe - the Empire at-large just exists to ensure everything runs smoothly. And they've elevated that to a way of life.

They're every vindictive DMV clerk, every mid-level government bureaucrat, every shift manager you've ever met, turned into a state machinery. Full of themselves to the brim and coated in a thick layer of racial superiority complex, but ultimately they're just the guys who fetch coffee for the real boss (the Sith) and then turn around and terrorize the rest of the office when the boss isn't looking.

It's a very particular kind of evil. Not the maniacal megalomania of the Sith, and not the ruthless sadism of the Hutt and other criminals - just snide, well-dressed maliciousness masquerading as entitled manifest destiny.

[Ihavewaffles]

but in principle the Empire is a state of totalitarian racists

They are human supremacists, which is direct opposite of racism. It's about human dominance over aliens, not division amongst humankind.

[MCMLXXXII]

They are human supremacists, which is direct opposite of racism. It's about human dominance over aliens, not division amongst humankind.

That's literal racism, except that it's not about color of skin but actual race.

[s_bushido]

They are human supremacists, which is direct opposite of racism. It's about human dominance over aliens, not division amongst humankind.

Today in Bizarro World, this post:

[Ihavewaffles]

That's literal racism, except that it's not about color of skin but actual race.

Not seeing color of skin of humans is racism?

I think ur using the wrong word n were looking for Speciesism, which considers non-humans inferior.

Gamoreans, Wookies, are different species
Black, White people are different races, of one species.

Human species originated on Coruscant along eith another different intelligent species, these fought n humans won n the loosers fled.
Galaxy far far away humies have been too concerned with aliens to have the issues earth-humies have.

[Darththeo]

Not seeing color of skin of humans is racism?

I think ur using the wrong word n were looking for Speciesism, which considers non-humans inferior.

Gamoreans, Wookies, are different species
Black, White people are different races, of one species.

Human species originated on Coruscant along eith another different intelligent species, these fought n humans won n the loosers fled.
Galaxy far far away humies have been too concerned with aliens to have the issues earth-humies have.

Some much wrong with this post, I am having trouble to picking where to start.

First, neither in Legends nor current Canon are humans confirmed to Originate on Coruscant, it is merely a "belief."

Second, black and white are not actually races of a species. Race in humans is a societal distinction, saying it is a of a species is just wrong because it implies the difference is biological, when it isn't.

Thirdly, you are taking it literally. Saying it is racism isn't wrong, because that is exactly what it is meant to represent.

[MCMLXXXII]

Sigh, I know I shouldn't engage because that first post was the most stupid take I've seen on here for a while but those examples you gave are indeed different species, also called different races of humanoids. All supremacists are racists, not all racists are supremacists.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Second, black and white are not actually races of a species. Race in humans is a societal distinction, saying it is a of a species is just wrong because it implies the difference is biological, when it isn't.

The what, now?
The bolded part, I mean.
Do you say that racial differences have nothing to do with biology?

[Darththeo]

The what, now?
The bolded part, I mean.
Do you say that racial differences have nothing to do with biology?

Biologically, there is one human race. The differences that exist are not significant enough to qualify as a race.

Races as you see them are not defined by biology anyway.

[s_bushido]

Do you say that racial differences have nothing to do with biology?

There is nothing fundamentally different about members of the same species who have differing hair, skin, eye, etc color. Those traits are obviously biologically derived, but the significance ascribed to those differences is entirely cultural...not scientific.

[Ihavewaffles]

Sigh, I know I shouldn't engage because that first post was the most stupid take I've seen on here for a while but those examples you gave are indeed different species, also called different races of humanoids. All supremacists are racists, not all racists are supremacists.

Nonsense, so if ur the kid that tortures the neighborhoods cats, are u a racist?

Are cows n chickens races?

I think its an american thing? To over-use the word race, also in the context of star wars it would most likeky make someone reading it think its about how humans relate to each other, when sw humans acting out of supremacist beliefs its agsinst other species instead. So its misleading. Also it sounds weird af

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There is nothing fundamentally different about members of the same species who have differing hair, skin, eye, etc color. Those traits are obviously biologically derived, but the significance ascribed to those differences is entirely cultural...not scientific.

Dude, a species of birds that gets seperated, one that is locked away by say a mountain gets say red color instead of yellow, its now a different species. There can be other tiny variations, but yes they get different latin names for a reason, n its not about bird "culture"..

I think this is getting off-topic..

[MCMLXXXII]

Nonsense, so if ur the kid that tortures the neighborhoods cats, are u a racist?

Are cows n chickens races?

I think its an american thing? To over-use the word race, also in the context of star wars it would most likeky make someone reading it think its about how humans relate to each other, when sw humans acting out of supremacist beliefs its agsinst other species instead. So its misleading. Also it sounds weird af

First of all, I'm not American.
To all your other questions: cats, cows and chickens aren't humanoid.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Biologically, there is one human race. The differences that exist are not significant enough to qualify as a race.

Races as you see them are not defined by biology anyway.

Species, then. Different species of human race. I think it goes without saying that a member of negroid "species" is quite different to a member of "mongoloid" species.
Tarantuls and Black Widows are both spider species, but they are quite different, aren't they?

There is nothing fundamentally different about members of the same species who have differing hair, skin, eye, etc color. Those traits are obviously biologically derived, but the significance ascribed to those differences is entirely cultural...not scientific.

I'd say the sum of differences between certain ethnicities/groups might well amount to a significant differences.
A man from the Syberian wastes and a man from Zimbabwe are both from the human race, there is no doubting that, but their biological differences surely make a clear distinction between both, not even factoring social differences in.

[s_bushido]

in the context of star wars it would most likeky make someone reading it think its about how humans relate to each other

lol. Yet another trip into opposite land.

No, dear. In the context of Star Wars specifically (and especially the Empire and its attitude towards non-humans), when someone says "racist" they will be talking about prejudice between the actual different races of people.

You can say it should technically be "xenophobia" or "speciesism" but colloquially it's the same shit.

[MCMLXXXII]

Species, then. Different species of human race. I think it goes without saying that a member of negroid "species" is quite different to a member of "mongoloid" species.
Tarantuls and Black Widows are both spider species, but they are quite different, aren't they?

I'd say the sum of differences between certain ethnicities/groups might well amount to a significant differences.
A man from the Syberian wastes and a man from Zimbabwe are both from the human race, there is no doubting that, but their biological differences surely make a clear distinction between both, not even factoring social differences in.

Nope species is above race. Humans are a species of primates.
Both the spiders you mentioned are from the same order, which in itself is above genus and species.

[Ihavewaffles]

All I'm saying the word racism doesn't fit this franchise, I remember people calling Din Djarin racist in seaon one cuz he didn't like robots, that is so stupid my head hurts..honestly I think choice of word is due to just being lazy n un-interested, how many could name the term of human dislike of robots (without googling it)?

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Nope species is above race. Humans are a species of primates. They are from a different genus.
Come on, this is middle school biology.

I may have used term "species" wrong, as English is not my native language, I have to admit.
Anyway, if we're going by the narrative of "race is an old social construct that is meaningless in modern era", then I assume we'd be using a term like "species" , are we not?

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how many could name the term of human dislike of robots (without googling it)?

common sense?

[MCMLXXXII]

All I'm saying the word racism doesn't fit this franchise, I remember people calling Din Djarin racist in seaon one cuz he didn't like robots, that is so stupid my head hurts..honestly I think choice of word is due to just being lazy n un-interested, how many could name the term of human dislike of robots (without googling it)?

All we are saying is that it is racism, literally.
Someone not liking robots, I would call him a robophobe