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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Tbf the teen daughter was ten times more interesting than her weird "husband".
    Considering his guest list, No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Considering his guest list, No.
    Well, I surely care more about a teenage daughter of a senator that grows up during the clone wars / early days of the imperium and prolly isn't allowed to know anything about the rebellion (yet) than her unsupportive dad who likes to dine with some imperial weirdos although his wife is part of the alliance. On top of that he is just toxic. Mon Mothma needs a divorce, or hopefully this is all just a play they put up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Well, I surely care more about a teenage daughter of a senator that grows up during the clone wars / early days of the imperium and prolly isn't allowed to know anything about the rebellion (yet) than her unsupportive dad who likes to dine with some imperial weirdos although his wife is part of the alliance. On top of that he is just toxic. Mon Mothma needs a divorce, or hopefully this is all just a play they put up.
    So, ur saying he is more important. We still don't know what he does, n she doesn't open up to him about her rebel support.. hopefully we get the dinner scene next episode during the Andor heist.

    We don't have time to watch a teen angst show, besides we got that already with Reva in Kenobi..

    The teen might play a part if one her father's guests uncovers information about her mother by asking some questions, prob main reason they show up, not for the food.


    Hmmm...ur teen show sounds like an anime or something..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    We don't have time to watch a teen angst show, besides we got that already with Reva in Kenobi..
    Its not a teen angst show. The scene wasn't even about Lieda. It was about Mon Mothma's life unravelling. We knew her double life was hurting her marriage, now we know its hurting her relationship with her daughter.

    Lieda is also a pre-existing Star Wars character that had an established difficult relationship with her mother.

    Kenobi wasn't a teen angst show. Reva wasn't doing "teen angst". Her story was a very straight forward revenge story. The only curveball was the person who was the target of the revenge knew exactly what was happening and was going to let her have her shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I've heard The Mandalorian called many things, but "new" wasn't one of them. It was about a new type of Mandalorian, sure (the "This is The Way" type of strict mandos), but everything about it was classic Star Wars. And it fed on nostalgia from day 1 with Baby Yoda, and Ahsoka, and Starbuck's Mando faction showing up, and eventually even Luke showing up. Even the Darksaber showing up is a nod to classic (if niche) Star Wars.
    All of that, bar the Darksaber, wasn't until season 2, season 1 was all original characters and let the series establish itself as a standalone. So yes, new is a very fair line to describe it.

    We're halfway into this series and we've had Mon Mothma show up. Andor's been a real slow burner for me so far, I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop for a while and it finally looks like we're getting somewhere. There just felt like an exceptional amount of waffle esque filler prior to this point, which goes against the "show, don't tell" aspect of what works so well in Star Wars for me.

    Not suggesting it's a bad series, far from, but it's yet to really get its claws into me and grab my interest yet.

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    Grogu might be a new character, but he was created specifically to create that nostalgic connection to Yoda. It's nostalgia all the way down.

    Plus, the format wasn't new either. It was basically a serialized Western, where each episode a lone gunman faces off against a threat plaguing a town. The push to get Grogu back to the Jedi was something that only really took off s2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    All of that, bar the Darksaber, wasn't until season 2, season 1 was all original characters and let the series establish itself as a standalone. So yes, new is a very fair line to describe it.

    We're halfway into this series and we've had Mon Mothma show up. Andor's been a real slow burner for me so far, I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop for a while and it finally looks like we're getting somewhere. There just felt like an exceptional amount of waffle esque filler prior to this point, which goes against the "show, don't tell" aspect of what works so well in Star Wars for me.

    Not suggesting it's a bad series, far from, but it's yet to really get its claws into me and grab my interest yet.
    Well, we also saw a lot of call backs to older material in Mando.

    You are correct that for a lot of people those were "new", but if you are familiar with the Clone Wars series and even some older Star Wars lore, the Mando was 100% designed to tie into nostalgia, but it just wasn't a direct pandering.
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    Honestly, I love the pacing in this show. is it slower then what we are normally used to? yes, but it IMO helps to build suspense so much more. I like it that they are letting scenes breathe, I like it that they are developing all of these characters into something more then a throwaway, that tension between Mon Mothma and her husband intrigues me, because he is NOT nearly as vapid as he first appeared to be. he is shrewd and manipulative and I don't think he is that much different from Luthien, except he is not on rebellion's side. They seem to be staying married for reasons other then actualy wanting to be married and I want to know those reasons. Daughter doesn't interest me much because so far she appears to be a pawn in their little chess match against each other. she is Mon Mothma's weakness, but as a person right now she is just typical teenager picking sides in this tug of war between her parents and picking a father because he is there more, plays nicer and to me at least obviously manipulated her against her mother.

    I do wish they didn't spread out the episodes across multiple weeks, but I don't think it would work if they condensed the narrative either. and I'm definitely enjoying the fact that imperial intelligence is actualy shown to be.. well.. intelligent.

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    TIE fighters have always been H shaped targets for the heroes to shoot and look cool destroying, and Andor's managed to make them intimidating. The whole show has a great sense of pace where there's a lot of slow things going on, and then when the action happens, it's at a real speed, rather than a 'cinematically digestible' speed which makes things a lot more threatening and dangerous.

    Also, is Meero popping space adderall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polyxo View Post
    TIE fighters have always been H shaped targets for the heroes to shoot and look cool destroying, and Andor's managed to make them intimidating. The whole show has a great sense of pace where there's a lot of slow things going on, and then when the action happens, it's at a real speed, rather than a 'cinematically digestible' speed which makes things a lot more threatening and dangerous.
    ships are basically space muscle cars, so they gotta be visceral n raw, tie fighter makes sound in space even though that should not happen.
    We had Din Djarin putting together a new ship like it's 2 fast 2 furious, or some car tv episode
    Lucas previous film to star wars was all about cars

    Dunno why other franchises treat their ships like just floating submarines..instead of trying to make them kewl.

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    One of the best shows going right now, it's a vivid experience to watch this unfold, and I'm really glad it goes slow enough for me to bond with a lot of the characters.
    If you want slower build up, that's what movies are for. At least it's not slow teen drama unfolding, it's a real treat watching the tension of these characters play out, and directing and acting is on point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cface View Post
    One of the best shows going right now, it's a vivid experience to watch this unfold, and I'm really glad it goes slow enough for me to bond with a lot of the characters.
    If you want slower build up, that's what movies are for. At least it's not slow teen drama unfolding, it's a real treat watching the tension of these characters play out, and directing and acting is on point.
    The slow build does work.

    Right now it feels the Episodes are in "sets" to me. You had the first three which set up the story. And then you had the three for the Robbery.

    I wonder what the next mini-story is going to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    The slow build does work.

    Right now it feels the Episodes are in "sets" to me. You had the first three which set up the story. And then you had the three for the Robbery.

    I wonder what the next mini-story is going to be.
    Mixed results over here for whether the slow burn is 'working' or whether its feeling like "something we now have to get through to get to the more interesting parts" pattern.

    Its not so slow we can't tolerate it. And I watch a TON of slow-burn tv series, so for me its nothing 'new' to be ok with this. But we (hubby and myself) are still finding this to be a bit too dry, or perhaps to slow paced, between the plot-pay outs. Its not that we think nothing at all is happening, because I certainly agree I'm seeing the back-plotting and character development specifics, and 'why' at least some of the points being made are being made - but at the same time, and I find it very difficult to describe what this 'feeling' is so I'm sure I"m not describing it well - but it just seems to fall flat as far as "feeling important to anything."

    Like the Imperial scene between the two officers (I guess they are, I have no clue what their names are) who are discovering the "myriad of missing parts" from various Imperial facilities are actually connected and there's a 'bigger plot' at play that only they are piecing together. But in that scene she lists a whole bunch of words of parts from a variety of facilities and that whole time all I could think was - "this would mean more if I knew what any of those parts were good for instead of spouting off a bunch of star wars terms that mean nothing to me and then saying - "its a bigger plot!" For me to understand "Oh that's why I care about this conversation. Because that one part Cassian stole is connected to this plot they are uncovering. I think?" I don't know - I'm not explaining it well!

    All I know is - I've never had a problem with a slow burn show before and have been able to watch entire seasons "waiting on the pay off" to be worth it and then finding it worth it. Finding the journey to get there interesting *by itself*. And whatever THIS show is doing - its not doing THAT as well as it could. The journey to get there is only half as interesting as it seems it could, or should be.

    But we are still watching and, mostly, enjoying. Its just also feeling like more of a slog at times, and I hate that - just wish I had better words to describe why its feeling that way. gah! LOL
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    Assuming they continue at this pace, this will easily be the best SW show to date.

    So mature and such good subtleties all over, really makes everything else feel pretty childish! Nice change of pace since OW left me in total disgust

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Grogu might be a new character, but he was created specifically to create that nostalgic connection to Yoda. It's nostalgia all the way down.
    The characters, worlds and time setting were all new.

    So far Andor has dropped references from all three trilogies in at a level we didn't get until season 2. Not that I'm complaining, it helps root it in the Star Wars Universe but in that sense it's certainly not new, and definitely not more than The Mandalorian was.

    I wouldn't say the concept for Andor is entirely new either, it has a lot of pre existing tropes in its storyline. To me that's irrelevant as it's still bloody good to watch.

    That said I struggled watching it at first, then I went back before today's new episode and binge watched it so far and it was a much better experience. This doesn't work as a self contained episode show that functions on a weekly release, it should have maybe released a large portion at once, and then drip thread the final episodes.

    Kenobi would have benefitted from the same.

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    I loved the gunfight, the little bit of what we had. I'm willing to bet they took for of the original Rogue One concepts with some of the tones and visuals we get in this episode. My dream show is one focused around a squad of soldiers, either side, through the GCW, ideally Inferno Squad. Will never happen, but this scratches the itch.
    The heist is what I expected from Solo (which I enjoyed either way) but that ended more like an MCU movie. The visuals are amazing. The episode is full of great shots, and we all know the The Eye was beautiful.

    One thing I have to tell myself is this kind of SW, the visuals, themes, etc isn't as popular with casual and mainstream fans. Thats why we don't see it that much. The broader fan base still prefers your classic hero journey/redemption stories that appeal to a wide age range. Star Wars is for the kids™. Disney will definitely be studying the numbers and feedback to see if people want more mature stories - even its one mature show for every 4 or whatever. The content exists, see SW print content but something they've been afraid to commit to on screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    One thing I have to tell myself is this kind of SW, the visuals, themes, etc isn't as popular with casual and mainstream fans. Thats why we don't see it that much. The broader fan base still prefers your classic hero journey/redemption stories that appeal to a wide age range.
    Just counting down the minutes until we see someone spark up a lightsaber. They couldn't resist doing it in Rogue One, I doubt they'll resist doing it here.

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    I do Like that Andor is more of pragmatic protagonist and do what is necessary and kill people when it needs to, that honestly is a bit of fresh air in those kind of shows/moves.

    I think the Heist was all right, even if think some parts were a bit forced, but since it showed they indeed have losses it gave more credibility to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    I do Like that Andor is more of pragmatic protagonist and do what is necessary and kill people when it needs to, that honestly is a bit of fresh air in those kind of shows/moves.

    I think the Heist was all right, even if think some parts were a bit forced, but since it showed they indeed have losses it gave more credibility to it.
    Well, it wasn't just "losses". I'd say heavy losses the least. While objective was mostly completed, almost all rebels ended up dead, except Andor and the female leader (forgot her name, sorry).

    The usual SW theme is unnamed losses (ships, planets, etc) and win for the protagonists. Here, we ended up in a wipe of known personnel, people with whom we spent almost 3 full episodes to get to know and familiarise with.

    That said, i'm not disagreeing with you, i much prefer the direction being away from the SW norm and embracing the loss of Rogue One.
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