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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Donatello Trumpi View Post
    Except he called it out 1 year ago as I previously posted.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQkt...rr_watch_on_yt



    Its easier for you to say something absolutely ignorant like "Trump doesnt read the things he signs" instead of admitting your russian collusion was bullshit.
    It's hilarious that you think Trump signing some bill that isn't in Russia's interest exonerates him. He literally invited illegal Russian interference on television, consistently denies their involvement in the proven systemic interference campaign, and has admitted he would welcome interference in the future. These are facts, on video, true and undeniable. You don't have to call it collusion or coordination or conspiracy, but the above happened and continues to happen. He acts purely out of his self interest and in defense of his fragile ego. Ask how his choice to sign this bill bolsters himself and you'll find out why he did it. Hint: it's not because he's "tough on Russia".

  2. #42
    I thought this forum's leftist majority got Trump figured for a Russian agent. Uh-oh, that can't be good for an already shaky credibility of liberals and their "media".

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Guildenstern View Post
    I thought this forum's leftist majority got Trump figured for a Russian agent. Uh-oh, that can't be good for an already shaky credibility of liberals and their "media".
    Read the rest of the thread if you really care about the truth.
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Read the rest of the thread if you really care about the truth.
    Yes, because I trust MMO-C users to know their elbow from the arse and tell me what is true

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Guildenstern View Post
    Yes, because I trust MMO-C users to know their elbow from the arse and tell me what is true
    Why even bother commenting then?

    The Tangerine Impotus is still Russia's bitch. Russia told Trump to fuck off with the sanctions and he immediately went groveling and apologizing to Putin.
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Why even bother commenting then?
    To get the latest "educated" opinion out of people like you, obviously.

    Also, he is not tangerine, it's all because of energy-efficient light bulbs.

  7. #47
    Doing the EU a favor. Why is the EU rushing to be dependant on Russia for energy is beyond me. It's just strategic stupidity at a grand scale.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    Doing the EU a favor. Why is the EU rushing to be dependant on Russia for energy is beyond me. It's just strategic stupidity at a grand scale.
    No, being US bitch is strategic stupidity at a grand scale. US is the bad guy in whole situation, not Russia. US doesn't care about EU well being, US cares only about making profit.

    Russia has been supplying EU with gas for long time. This pipeline changes nothing, except for making price of gas go down. US can't compete fairly, so they use lies and intimidation to push their overpriced gas.

    Russia never used gas supply as political leverage. Never closed supply for political reasons.

    Before someone mentions "but Ukraine!!!11111eleventy!!!", Ukraine supply was only cut when Ukraine failed to pay their bills repeatedly. It was never done for politics. Not only Ukraine failed to pay their bill, they had much smaller bill because they were on "friends" rate and at the same time they were siphoning gas that was going through Ukraine to Europe. Before saying "Russia bad!!!", use your brain and think: would US cut gas supply to country that repeatedly fails to pay their bill and steals transit gas? Of course US would. Any country would. New pipeline's purpose is to avoid Ukraine, a known thief and liar and now US bitch.

    Whole thing is about US trying to make profit from who they call allies, using lies and intimidation to achieve it. Typical US bully behaviour. Nobody should want "ally" like that.
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    Most people are imbeciles. Twitter is just a way for them to demonstrate it.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlaster View Post
    No, being US bitch is strategic stupidity at a grand scale. US is the bad guy in whole situation, not Russia. US doesn't care about EU well being, US cares only about making profit.

    Russia has been supplying EU with gas for long time. This pipeline changes nothing, except for making price of gas go down. US can't compete fairly, so they use lies and intimidation to push their overpriced gas.

    Russia never used gas supply as political leverage. Never closed supply for political reasons.

    Before someone mentions "but Ukraine!!!11111eleventy!!!", Ukraine supply was only cut when Ukraine failed to pay their bills repeatedly. It was never done for politics. Not only Ukraine failed to pay their bill, they had much smaller bill because they were on "friends" rate and at the same time they were siphoning gas that was going through Ukraine to Europe. Before saying "Russia bad!!!", use your brain and think: would US cut gas supply to country that repeatedly fails to pay their bill and steals transit gas? Of course US would. Any country would. New pipeline's purpose is to avoid Ukraine, a known thief and liar and now US bitch.

    Whole thing is about US trying to make profit from who they call allies, using lies and intimidation to achieve it. Typical US bully behaviour. Nobody should want "ally" like that.
    I think a lot on the Trump side of things kind of live in a cartoon world where Putin has a lever next to his desk that cuts off all gas flowing to Europe, and the continent just immediately turns to ice.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Washington has always been afraid of Berlin-Moscow type cooperations and alliances.

    It's cute though, the USA being jealous of other superpowers courting it's EU mistress. Flattering even.

    Putin is probably going to tell Trump to get back in line though. Trump is called "Russia's Bitch / Our Agent" on a daily basis in russian mainstream media for a reason.
    There are no other superpowers.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlaster View Post
    No, being US bitch is strategic stupidity at a grand scale. US is the bad guy in whole situation, not Russia. US doesn't care about EU well being, US cares only about making profit.

    Russia has been supplying EU with gas for long time. This pipeline changes nothing, except for making price of gas go down. US can't compete fairly, so they use lies and intimidation to push their overpriced gas.

    Russia never used gas supply as political leverage. Never closed supply for political reasons.

    Before someone mentions "but Ukraine!!!11111eleventy!!!", Ukraine supply was only cut when Ukraine failed to pay their bills repeatedly. It was never done for politics. Not only Ukraine failed to pay their bill, they had much smaller bill because they were on "friends" rate and at the same time they were siphoning gas that was going through Ukraine to Europe. Before saying "Russia bad!!!", use your brain and think: would US cut gas supply to country that repeatedly fails to pay their bill and steals transit gas? Of course US would. Any country would. New pipeline's purpose is to avoid Ukraine, a known thief and liar and now US bitch.

    Whole thing is about US trying to make profit from who they call allies, using lies and intimidation to achieve it. Typical US bully behaviour. Nobody should want "ally" like that.
    Germany acts all innocent, but when South Stream was gonna go ahead, they were hand in hand with the US to crush those plans, cuz they didn't benefit Germany..



    Russia has a ship in the far east that will set sail n complete the pipeline, it will just take a little longer for this whole project to happen, but at this point with the new pipeline complete with China and more coming, the EU market is not as important as before and more asian countries want to get the gas, it wouldn't be a long-term loss for Russia to not expand further to the EU. In the long run instead, yes, EU would loose, with the way higher priced US liquified gas that they call "freedom gas" well, more like "extortion gas"..

    I wouldn't be surprised at all that germany goes ahead n tries together with the US to stop turkstream pipe going to south-east europe to central europe. It's no benefit to germany. But in this case, I want that particular project to end, because it replaces one un-reliable country, Ukraine, with a far worse one, Turkey or should I say sultan Erdogan n his lunatic political movement...there is no way he won't try to turn off the gas should the pipeline be built if the EU doesn't agree to another ransom/threat which in practise means the EU in total ends up paying more than they would have if the pipeline would have gone through a normal country instead..

    Erdogan makes threats without pipeline, with one he gains even more leverage than he has now, he is the bad guy, he has not Europe's best interest at heart.

    In Hungary, Erdogan threatens to 'open the gates' for millions of refugees fleeing to Europe.

    NOV 8, 2019
    AFP-JIJI

    BUDAPEST – Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on a visit to EU member Hungary repeated his threat Thursday to “open the gates” for millions of refugees eager to flee to Europe unless more international support was provided.

    Erdogan held talks with Hungarian nationalist Prime Minister Viktor Orban — a rare EU ally — in Budapest where several hundred people demonstrated over Ankara’s deadly military offensive in Syria, with placards calling the Turkish leader a “genocidal dictator.

    Ankara launched the military operation last month to push Syrian Kurdish forces back from its border and create a “safe zone” to take in some of the 3.6 million Syrian refugees currently in Turkey.

    Erdogan has called on EU countries to provide more financial support for his plan to create the “safe zone.

    “Whether or not support comes, we will continue to host our guests, but only up to a point,” Erdogan said at a news conference alongside Orban.

    “If we see that this does not work, just like I said before, we will have no option left but to open the gates. If we open the gates, it is obvious where they will go,” Erdogan added.

    Orban, an anti-immigration figurehead for nationalists in Europe and beyond, said Hungary stood ready to help Turkey however it could to create the “safe zone.

    “Without Turkey, you cannot stop migration headed for Europe. … As a consequence of this, Hungary is a strategic partner of Turkey in security and migration questions,” he said.

    “We have to do everything to avoid masses of migrants arriving at Hungary’s southern border, and for that we need Turkey’s help.”

    Erdogan’s visit comes just a week after Orban hosted Russian President Vladimir Putin, stoking concerns in the European Union that the self-styled “illiberal” Hungarian is cozying up to autocrats.

    Speaking alongside Putin, also a regular visitor to the EU and NATO member state, Orban defended his foreign policy of “eastern opening,” saying Hungary was in a “Berlin-Moscow-Istanbul triangle.”

    Accusing his Western critics of turning a blind eye to their own countries’ trade and political engagements with Eastern countries, Orban has repeatedly defended Ankara.

    Hungary delayed an EU resolution condemning Turkey’s action, with Orban insisting that the offensive was in “Hungary’s national interest” because it would help stop refugees coming to the EU.

    At a meeting in Kazakhstan last month, Erdogan personally thanked Orban for his “support” for Ankara’s Syrian operation.

    Orban was also one of the few European leaders to attend Erdogan’s July 2018 inauguration ceremony for his second term in office, while the Turkish leader visited Hungary in October last year.

    “(Orban’s) Turkey policy fits in with his strategy toward the east, trying to give political favours for economic ones,” Daniel Bartha, director of the think tank Centre for Euro-Atlantic Integration and Democracy, told AFP.

    Orban said Thursday that Hungary would be able to get natural gas from the TurkStream pipeline — which will supply Russian gas to Turkey via the Black Sea — by the end of 2021.

    Hungary’s partly state-owned energy giant, MOL, also bought last week a stake in the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline that transports crude oil to the Mediterranean through Turkey.

    The Hungarian army also plans to buy Turkish armored vehicles, according to media reports, while a Budapest-based Turkish business magnate is close to both Orban’s family and to Erdogan.

    “The Hungarian government appears to perceive Turkey as an emerging, key geopolitical player, not only in Syria but also in southeastern Europe and the broader Middle East,” said Daniel Hegedus, an analyst with the German Marshall Fund of the United States.

    “It seems ready to accept significant conflicts within the EU to please Ankara, and acts according to the interests of Turkey and Russia rather than the Western alliances Budapest belongs to,” Hegedus told AFP.

    Turkey Isn't Leaving NATO, But It May Be Breaking With the West.

    December 19, 2019

    (Bloomberg) — Just weeks after a NATO summit brushed internal disputes under the carpet, renewed sparring between the U.S. and Turkey points to longer term risks to the alliance.U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper said this week that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization would have to discuss what to do about Turkey’s lack of commitment should Ankara carry through with a threat to block American access to military bases.

    Officials at NATO’s headquarters in Brussels say that nobody is yet talking about the base closure threat, let alone Turkey’s potential expulsion from the alliance. Even so, Esper’s exchange with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has reignited fears that the Western alliance could be on track for a showdown with Turkey – further down the line.

    All sides recognize that “keeping Turkey in NATO is in everybody’s interest,” former NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow said in a phone interview. That’s despite real frustrations in Ankara over NATO’s perceived failures to take Turkish security concerns seriously, and within the alliance over Erdogan’s provocative purchase of a Russian S-400 air-defense system.

    There is no mechanism in NATO’s founding treaty to allow the expulsion of a member against its will in any case, according to Vershbow, now a distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank.All of which helps explain why the 29-nation alliance smoothed over equally sharp differences between Turkey and France at the NATO leaders’ meeting in London on Dec. 3-4.

    That doesn’t mean those tensions have disappeared: European Union leaders discussed the prickly state of relations with Turkey last week. But the options look limited.

    “Nobody’s talking about arms exports sanctions anymore,” Bulgaria’s Prime Minister Boyko Borissov said at the summit, referring to sanctions the EU imposed on Turkey in October after Erdogan sent troops into Syria. Borissov cited the need to keep alive a deal under which Erdogan has stemmed the flow of refugees from Syria and elsewhere to the EU.

    On Monday, Erdogan threatened to close two bases if the U.S. Congress adopts into law a sanctions bill penalizing Turkish leaders, energy companies and banks involved in supporting his Syria operation.

    The threat does not appear to indicate any willingness on Erdogan’s part to break with NATO, but rather to use the alliance as leverage in a bilateral dispute with Washington.Neither of the facilities in southeastern Turkey that Erdogan named — Incirlik air field and the radar installation at Kurecik — are NATO bases. He did not threaten to close the alliance’s Land Command Headquarters, on Turkey’s Aegean coast.Incirlik and Kurecik are Turkish-controlled bases that the U.S. has agreement to use, subject to mission-specific permissions from the Turkish parliament. Approvals to use Incirlik for bombing campaigns in Iraq and Syria have been denied often enough that many U.S. combat aircraft have already been transferred to Jordan and the Gulf.

    Turkish Control

    Though important in the past, Incirlik now acts as a “glorified storage depot” for U.S. tactical nuclear weapons and transfer hub for deployments to Afghanistan, according to Aaron Stein, director of the Middle East program at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, in Washington. Both functions could be moved elsewhere.

    Blocking U.S. personnel from Kurecik would have more practical implications for the alliance, because it hosts a U.S.-operated but NATO-critical radar installation that’s positioned to detect any potential ballistic missile launch from Iran. No other NATO member can offer as effective a location.More important than either base, however, is what Erdogan’s willingness to play chicken shows, according to Stein: a hardening assessment that while Turkey’s military ties to the U.S. and NATO are desirable, they are no longer essential.Ultimately, Erdogan may be forced to choose whether to back down or carry through his threat to close bases, setting off a new round of retaliations.Turkey, which has NATO’s second-biggest army after the U.S., has said it will turn on its S-400 system in April. It’s also pushing territorial claims in the Mediterranean to thwart a U.S.-backed natural-gas pipeline from off-shore Israeli and Cypriot fields to Europe, via Greece. Further escalation on either of these issues could raise pressure on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to bring the sanctions bill to the Senate floor for a vote, despite his current reluctance.Turkey has clashed with the U.S. and Europe over issues at least as serious as these before, including its 1974 invasion of northern Cyprus. But the Turkey of 2019 is no longer as dependent on Western financial aid or arms imports, and is carving out a more autonomous role often in conflict with U.S. and European policies.”For five years now, people in Washington have made the same argument that the Turks won’t really buy the S-400s, or that they won’t really invade Syria — but then they do,” said Stein. “We may well get through this and there may be bluster, but there is a trend and I see no evidence that Erdogan wants to reverse that trend.”

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    There are no other superpowers.
    The US stopped being one when they elected Trump to lead them.

    Just take a look at this: 6th time World Leaders are laughing at Trump and the USA
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    The US stopped being one when they elected Trump to lead them.

    Just take a look at this: 6th time World Leaders are laughing at Trump and the USA
    Superpower is about scale of economy n military on a global scale, you think peoples opinions factor as a counter to that?

    LOL?

    In that regard Soviet Union wasn't a superpower for all the millions of people they killed...

    and neither was the US for all its invasions, suffering it cost places like korea, vietnam, latin america etc.

    Morality, public opinion, has never been a factor to determine whether a country is a superpower...Trump is small potatoes compared to what cold war USA n Soviet Union have done...it's not even a contest.

  14. #54
    trump is powerless... They'll just shift the work to one of their subsidiaries (just like Putin just stated).

    Enjoy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donatello Trumpi View Post
    Trump signed the bill on Friday. Few days before, Ted Cruz wrote a letter threatening Allseas, the swiss company that russia hired to build the pipeline, with "catastrophic consqeuences" (basically revoking their workers US visa and seizing all company assets in the US among other things) if Allseas continues to work for even 1 day after the bill was signed.

    This means that the US is de facto dictating germany and europes energy supply.

    Very interesting. Do you agree with this?

    Here is how Ted Cruz explains it:
    https://youtu.be/kSVclJD5wdY?t=392
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    Belt and roads initiative.

    Get educated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    ^Shit white people say.
    [Infraction]

    Ah yes, empty threats. So far China hasn't colonised an entire continent, hasn't destroyed the Middle East and hasn't overthrown democracies all around the world.

    Didn't the US support 72% of the dictators in the world? So please, tell me who is the anti-democratic force in this world.
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    Well at least Russia put money in education for all, unlike the US using DeVos to favour post secondary education only for the wealthy.

    IBF usual language troll -> Bite me, I'm french.

    Quote Originally Posted by TigTone View Post
    And everyone always underestimates Russia.

    Look at all the damage they have caused in U.K. and US with just troll farms and propaganda.

    Stop looking at them as a worn down Soviet Union and more as a country using current technology ,social media, as a weapon.

    The social and culture divided Russia has caused is far harder to repair than them damaging some physical parts of a country.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by ipaq View Post
    IBF usual language troll -> Bite me, I'm french.
    No, but I feel the need to say one posts replies under the quotes, not above, ur format is confusing n stuff.

    No offense meant.

  16. #56
    One does what she wants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    No, but I feel the need to say one posts replies under the quotes, not above, ur format is confusing n stuff.

    No offense meant.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    The US stopped being one when they elected Trump to lead them.

    Just take a look at this: 6th time World Leaders are laughing at Trump and the USA
    The TDS is real.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    The US stopped being one when they elected Trump to lead them.
    That's comparing apples to oranges. Yes, world is laughing at Trump and US politics, but that doesn't mean US is no longer a superpower. US is superpower, the only superpower at the moment.

    Only US can threaten company from another country and get results. They have shown that with Iran. If Switzerland did similar ultimatum to US company building something in Japan, everyone would laugh at it and ignore it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mistame
    Most people are imbeciles. Twitter is just a way for them to demonstrate it.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlaster View Post
    That's comparing apples to oranges. Yes, world is laughing at Trump and US politics, but that doesn't mean US is no longer a superpower. US is superpower, the only superpower at the moment.
    Doesn't matter when nobody takes you seriously.

    Also that is exactly what happened with the Iran sanctions and now these supposed sanctions against Russia. People are ignoring them...
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlaster View Post
    That's comparing apples to oranges. Yes, world is laughing at Trump and US politics, but that doesn't mean US is no longer a superpower. US is superpower, the only superpower at the moment.

    Only US can threaten company from another country and get results. They have shown that with Iran. If Switzerland did similar ultimatum to US company building something in Japan, everyone would laugh at it and ignore it.
    The US is quickly losing out on it’s diplomatic power tho, the rest of the world will slowly adjust away from the US, if it turns into a threatening bully and not an allied friend as it has been. Sure it can keep it’s military might, but the economical power over the world can be removed.

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