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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    It's not international water, it are Chinese waters.

    I am not the one advocating for the nuclear destruction of another country.
    Hell, I even once got banned for calling the USA evil.
    So you tell me why this thread is allowed to continue.
    They are international waters/governed by freedom of navigation laws and/or are in heavily disputed waters between China, Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam. China built islands there and then is using that retroactively bolster their claim they were now Chinese waters. You are declaring them China's despite international law and multiple sovereign nations disputing China's broad claims, and that's all they are claims, because you have an always will shill for them regardless of actual wrong doing or the situation at hand.

    The U.N Convention on the Law of the Sea ruled against PRC in Philippines via China. China's claim on those waters are not recognized by anyone but China and are as such illegal and any attempts by China to claim ownership or dissuade other nations from navigating those waters are illegal as is the construction of the artificial islands themselves. China has made a claim, not backed by international law, and other countries have made counter claims/disputed that claim. You have predictably sided with China based not on the fact but fee fees and bias.

    Your behavior and the op's regarding extremism and overall ignorance are essentially indistinguishable. I don't care what a lunatic the OP is. His stupidity does not excuse or justify your own no matter how much you'd for whatever perverse reason seem to want it to despite implying you disapprove of his actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shimerra View Post
    The U.N Convention on...
    Fuck the UN.
    Your behavior and the op's regarding extremism and overall ignorance are essentially indistinguishable. I don't care what a lunatic the OP is. His stupidity does not excuse or justify your own no matter how much you'd for whatever perverse reason seem to want it to despite implying you disapprove of his actions.
    Ah yes, he's advocating the extermination of millions of people but that's exactly the same as me thinking the US should keep their military out of the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythic-RaidLead View Post
    Something needs to be done. I don't know what. But military options including the use of thermonuclear weapons should be on the table.
    Takes issue with regional human rights abuses.

    Proposes a far greater abuse of human rights and dignity and one with global consequences, as a "solution".

    You can't possibly be serious with this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Fuck the UN.

    Ah yes, he's advocating the extermination of millions of people but that's exactly the same as me thinking the US should keep their military out of the rest of the world.
    maybe china should keep their military (and paramilitary) out of the rest of the world.

    chinese fishing fleets alongside what passes for their "coast guard" regularly go into other nations fishing waters and steal their fish, because the chinese arent able to effectively manage their own waters. thats part of why they are so aggressively sending their military to the south china sea. most of asia has this same problem, but china actively goes and steals food from other smaller nations that cant always fight back.

    In 2016, a number of Chinese fishing vessels were shot at for fishing in other nations’ exclusive economic zones, areas of water off countries’ coastlines where those countries have sole rights to pursue economic activity. In March 2016, Argentinian patrol units sank the Chinese fishing boat Lu Yan Yuan Yu 010 as it attempted to flee into international waters after allegedly trawling illegally off the coast of the Argentinian city Puerto Madryn. Recently, in light of illegal Chinese vessels draining the supply of fish, Somali fishermen have turned to piracy. And in November 2016, members of the South Korean coast guard opened fire on two Chinese fishing vessels that had threatened to ram patrol boats in the Yellow Sea near Incheon—not a month after Chinese fishermen rammed and sank a South Korean speedboat in the same area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bungeebungee View Post
    @Ihavewaffles this is pretty much a rewind of OP's thread last month: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...3#post51915873
    hm..I was already fairly dismissive of this kind of crazy.
    It seems he really believes in this crap...
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    Okay, let's try to rephrase: Please don't kill millions of Chinese people just because your own economy is failing.

    kkthnxbye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Okay, let's try to rephrase: Please don't kill millions of Chinese people just because your own economy is failing.

    kkthnxbye
    Yep exactly. The answer to every societal conflict is for the society to become more creative/constructive, and never embrace destructive solutions.
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    This thread is retarded. I mean, mutually assured destruction and all.

    What China is doing in relation to human rights is bad but killing a few billion to make a point is pants on head fucking nuts. Nukes will fly both ways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    It's not international water, it are Chinese waters.

    I am not the one advocating for the nuclear destruction of another country.
    Hell, I even once got banned for calling the USA evil.
    So you tell me why this thread is allowed to continue.
    It is NOT Chinese water, it is international water. The islands that they are using to claim jurisdiction are man-made and do not count legally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Okay, let's try to rephrase: Please don't kill millions of Chinese people just because your own economy is failing.

    kkthnxbye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Takes issue with regional human rights abuses.

    Proposes a far greater abuse of human rights and dignity and one with global consequences, as a "solution".

    You can't possibly be serious with this shit.
    You don't see the end-game here. There can't be human rights abuses if there aren't humans.
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    I will be leaving for Shenzhen for 12 days tomorrow morning, i am excited like always to visit a new nation. I am sure talking with the locals will be very different to the narratives that have been pushed forward. So can we avoid war for like 2 weeks?

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    As some one who lives 1,720 miles from chernobyl and we still had Medium levels of fallout and lost a years crops I can safely say no the US wouldn't win a nuclear war with any one, no one wins a nuclear war, that's kind of there point, its a great big don't fuck with each other threat, not a good tool for power projection, it's not the 21st century version of the gun boat, its not an effective threat when it harms the user almost as bad as the victim, its a double barreled gun only one barrel faces backwards.

    China has committed and will continue to commit many atrocities and is a blight on the planet, but war with them is a non option due to both being nuclear.

    The way to collapse China is to squeeze them economically and delegitimise the regime in the peoples eyes China is more exposed than North Korea and like the soviet Union has much the same weakness.

    But even then I'd argue were allready collapsing communist China. The China now is a far cray from the China of 20 years ago or China of 50 years ago its still an oppressive communist regime that commits atrocitys but is far from the great leap period, China is reforming slowly based purely on nessesity in a globalised interconnected world. Its allready more akin to capitolists dystopia than the ideals of Marx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Okay, let's try to rephrase: Please don't kill millions of Chinese people just because your own economy is failing.

    kkthnxbye
    The US economy is in it's longest sustained expansion ever (growing at an average of 2.5%), with near record low unemployment and near non-existent inflation and a generally healthy investment and risk environment. The US has also significantly expanded its dominance of global finance and benefited from a global transformation in business and logistics as the internet matured. Of the 10 most profitable companies in the world in 2009, the only one left on that list is Microsoft, and the US share of that list has grown from 3 to 6.

    The 2010s have been exceptionally good for the US from an economic perspective. And exceptionally bad for any adversary of the US (i.e. you).

    So literally what in God's name are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    The 2010s have been exceptionally good for the US from an economic perspective. And exceptionally bad for any adversary of the US (i.e. you).

    So literally what in God's name are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythic-RaidLead View Post
    Something needs to be done. I don't know what. But military options including the use of thermonuclear weapons should be on the table. I doesn't mean we have to use them, but we should keep an open mind. Thermonuclear weapons need not be the 1.2 megaton giants that the public perceives them to be, smaller nuclear devices such as 100 kiloton warheads are an option.
    It doesn't matter the size of the nuke. Use one and it's game over for the civilized world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlord View Post
    maybe china should keep their military (and paramilitary) out of the rest of the world.

    chinese fishing fleets alongside what passes for their "coast guard" regularly go into other nations fishing waters and steal their fish, because the chinese arent able to effectively manage their own waters. thats part of why they are so aggressively sending their military to the south china sea. most of asia has this same problem, but china actively goes and steals food from other smaller nations that cant always fight back.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/...ions-seas/amp/
    The US should probably do the same then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Fuck the UN.

    Ah yes, he's advocating the extermination of millions of people but that's exactly the same as me thinking the US should keep their military out of the rest of the world.
    Here's the thing. Yes, the OP is advocating for some seriously gross shit. But that's par for the course for the OP, he's been banned in the past for openly fantasizing about murder and torture, and it doesn't seem like he learned much from that. However, it's also the case that the vast majority of people in this thread (minus Kokolums who loves anything that he can use to say that a US civil war is coming) are of the clear opinion that the OP is insane and that nuking China would be an absurd and monstrous act.

    None of that justifies being an extremist in reverse though. When it comes to the laws regarding territorial waters and international waters, that is some really important stuff that countries CAN'T just sit out of and let play out however. The majority of the world agreed to the rules on that because the way it was without them, with piracy on every major trade route and literal murder over fishing spots, was bad for everyone. The US military has done some shit things, but it's role in maintaining a degree of order and safety on the world's oceans is an important one that can't be tossed out without consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    The US economy is in it's longest sustained expansion ever (growing at an average of 2.5%), with near record low unemployment and near non-existent inflation and a generally healthy investment and risk environment. The US has also significantly expanded its dominance of global finance and benefited from a global transformation in business and logistics as the internet matured. Of the 10 most profitable companies in the world in 2009, the only one left on that list is Microsoft, and the US share of that list has grown from 3 to 6.

    The 2010s have been exceptionally good for the US from an economic perspective. And exceptionally bad for any adversary of the US (i.e. you).
    I only wish Trump tweeted exactly this text word for word just to see peaches rushing to dismantle it and prove every word wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    I only wish Trump tweeted exactly this text word for word just to see peaches rushing to dismantle it and prove every word wrong
    Trump has had nothing to do with it, and in fact has been an hindrance. While economic decoupling with China and cleaving the world into an American-sphere and a Chinese-sphere is both necessary and an inevitability, he has gone about doing it the most profoundly stupid way (tarrifs).

    In the end, it was Trump who decided on day one to abandon the Trans Pacific Partnership, the biggest US Geopolitical self-own in sixty years. The US will almost certainly rejoin TPP in the post-Trump era, but the time lost in isolating China through a multilateral effort - something it's neighbors are and remain very eager to do - only hurts us in the end.

    No matter what Trump says or does economically, in the end, he is the self declared "Tarrif Man" who abandoned TPP. He has zero-claim on anything positive going on in the economy.
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