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    Horde Military Options in dealing with China

    Something needs to be done. I don't know what. But military options including the use of thermonuclear weapons should be on the table. I doesn't mean we have to use them, but we should keep an open mind. Thermonuclear weapons need not be the 1.2 megaton giants that the public perceives them to be, smaller nuclear devices such as 100 kiloton warheads are an option.

    The Chinese Communist Party is guilty of perpetrating mass human rights violations such as mass murder of the Falun Gong, political prisoners, and a host of other issues. We need to send a message to the CCP that Chinese aggression will not be tolerated.

    In China's Crackdown on Uigers, Children ARE NOT SPARED WTF

    There are bigger worries with this totalitarian regime. China is a possible superpower in 2050. They could decide to ignore US warnings and straight up invade and take over Taiwan. Without proper deterrence, they WILL try it. I believe we need to seriously arm Taiwan with thermonuclear weapons OR extend our nuclear umbrella to protect them. We know China wants to take over another country:Taiwan, but we know they won't do it at a severe cost. If Taiwan had 1000 nuclear warheads each 100 kt to 5 mt, that could be a sufficient deterrence.

    But the question is this: Will nuclear weapons ever become obsolete? And if so, what are the alternatives? We need to hold back against China which will be the biggest threat to national security in the middle of the 21st century. All military options need to be on the table, including nuclear weapons.

    China plans to fight a nuclear war against America

    Good luck with that China, I mean seriously, good luck with that, you know you cannot win against the United States in this. In a nuclear war between US and China, we will win. But we do need to avoid millions of deaths. So here is a question:

    What systems are being developed that can effectively stop an all-out nuclear strike against the United States? Suppose China sends 1000 nukes ICBMs at us, how do we strike them all down before they reach their main targets? Seems to me there is research going on here, however I'm not sure if they can stop almost every ICBM from hitting the USA if they decide to launch hundreds or thousands of them at us.

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/20/1...defense-review
    Last edited by Mythic-RaidLead; 2019-12-30 at 09:00 PM.

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    Really?
    How old are you that you know so little about nuclear weapons?

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    Man, you guys got such a war boner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythic-RaidLead View Post
    they decide to launch hundreds of thousands of them at us.
    https://www.ploughshares.org/world-n...ockpile-report
    TOTAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS: 13,860
    I wish there was a requirement to graduate from middle-school before posting.

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    According to this all that's needed is 100 nukes to totally screw up the very society that launched them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    According to this all that's needed is 100 nukes to totally screw up the very society that launched them.
    Stick with low-yield nuclear weapons, like those 25-100 kilotons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythic-RaidLead View Post
    Stick with low-yield nuclear weapons, like those 25-100 kilotons.
    Yeah, keep faking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Yeah, keep faking it.
    Imagine thinking all nuclear weapons are the same. There is a major difference between a 100 kiloton warhead and a 5 mt warhead.

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    As of right now, if shit really does hit the fan, nukes will stop China. Purely because what is in Chinese arsenal that can reach USA mainland is far from what is needed to actually destroy/defeat the States, while the reverse is not true at all. MAD does not work between China and USA or even Russia at all.
    Otherwise - navy is still far cry from what USA has and, very importantly, USA has way, way more experience in using it. "Limited" exchange by sinking whatever Chinese navy has, followed by hitting targets near the shore.
    /armchairgeneral

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Yeah, keep faking it.
    Actually, he is right. With tactical nukes you can't even destroy a bigger city, not even render it inhospitable. Time of city busters is, thankfully, partly gone due to the vastly increased acuracy of the missiles - they needed to hit the hardened silos, a really small target, that's why payloads were into megatonnes, as the blast of that magnitude compensated for the lack of accuracy.
    Last edited by Easo; 2019-12-30 at 09:21 PM.

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    You keep imagining fantasizing you know anything about nukes...

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    Nuclear war is NEVER the option. Its use will literally end humanity as we know it. Because if you launch, they will launch. If they launch, others might too.

    The only solution to a nuclear war is to never have it be an option. China needs to be dealt with, but in a peaceful manner, not like this.

    Also, I'm surprised you're against what China is doing to the Uyghurs considering your fetish for brain control

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythic-RaidLead View Post
    Stick with low-yield nuclear weapons, like those 25-100 kilotons.
    Or just not go to war at all, nobody cares that war is the only way for you to get off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythic-RaidLead View Post
    Stick with low-yield nuclear weapons, like those 25-100 kilotons.
    Cool, so you'll contaminate the surroundings, without penetrating any of the nuclear launchpads.

    Congratulations, you've accomplished nothing.

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    Op, you are asking left wing authoritians to take China as a serious threat...good luck with that.
    "It doesn't matter if you believe me or not but common sense doesn't really work here. You're mad, I'm mad. We're all MAD here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Nuclear war is NEVER the option. Its use will literally end humanity as we know it. Because if you launch, they will launch. If they launch, others might too.

    The only solution to a nuclear war is to never have it be an option. China needs to be dealt with, but in a peaceful manner, not like this.

    Also, I'm surprised you're against what China is doing to the Uyghurs considering your fetish for brain control
    When China does it, its bad.
    When the US does it, its good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Op, you are asking left wing authoritians to take China as a serious threat...good luck with that.
    The US, the most left-wing place on earth.


    lol

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    Whenever someone gets hyperbolic about the notion of nuclear war, this video comes to mind.

    Suitable words for any leader that has a nuclear arsenal in their hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    As of right now, if shit really does hit the fan, nukes will stop China. Purely because what is in Chinese arsenal that can reach USA mainland is far from what is needed to actually destroy/defeat the States, while the reverse is not true at all. MAD does not work between China and USA or even Russia at all.
    Otherwise - navy is still far cry from what USA has and, very importantly, USA has way, way more experience in using it. "Limited" exchange by sinking whatever Chinese navy has, followed by hitting targets near the shore.
    /armchairgeneral



    Actually, he is right. With tactical nukes you can't even destroy a bigger city, not even render it inhospitable. Time of city busters is, thankfully, partly gone due to the vastly increased acuracy of the missiles - they needed to hit the hardened silos, a really small target, that's why payloads were into megatonnes, as the blast of that magnitude compensated for the lack of accuracy.
    You really think any general or president will authorize a nuclear strike when parts of the US are in strike range of return fire? Don't be ridiculous. Even if they can't hit the east coast (They probably can), they can still destroy LA on the west coast. Not happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    You really think any general or president will authorize a nuclear strike when parts of the US are in strike range of return fire? Don't be ridiculous. Even if they can't hit the east coast (They probably can), they can still destroy LA on the west coast. Not happening.
    We are theorising here, are we not? He asked for an option, it is an option. The worst one, but hey, nukes ARE made with the idea that they actually might have to be used.
    So the point is, that China can do some damage to USA, while being destroyed in return, via nukes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    You really think any general or president will authorize a nuclear strike when parts of the US are in strike range of return fire? Don't be ridiculous. Even if they can't hit the east coast (They probably can), they can still destroy LA on the west coast. Not happening.
    Just wait another decade. We will have anti ballistic missiles that can take out over 1000 incoming ICBMs. China is no match for the United States. It's time we start throwing our weight around to bring justice to the world. At the present time I only propose the use of low yield 100 kiloton nuclear warheads against the Chinese navy if they try to take taiwan. I doubt they would take aim at any civilian population if all we are doing is nuking their navy.

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    When nukes become used, then everyone will use them;


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