1. #2181
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Russia, and the US, have agents and proxies working everywhere in the world.

    There's like a gazillion reasons why Russia would do this. Still, I don't think it's the likely explanation. Iranian accident is the most likely one. But dismissing the possiblity of Russians shooting it down is extremely naive.

    EDIT: In fact, the video of the rocket hitting the plane is very questionable. Why is the guy out there filming the sky in the right direction at the right time and very close to the plane? One could say it indicates he had a prior knowledge of such a rocket being fired...
    The guy was filming because apparently they heard another rocket a moment before. The plane was shot at with two rockets, the latter of which hit it.

  2. #2182
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://apnews.com/fbb2985489bcc74e0e9c728ca7ce009a



    Not much going on. Just Trump further sewing division and bragging about how amazing he is to the cheers of his followers.
    I hate it when people say ''Trumps base is against wars'' or anything for that matter.

    Trump's base is not against wars in the ME, more then half of Trump voters are probably pro killing of Muslims. Trump's base is just a group of followers who will repeat anything that Trump says.

  3. #2183
    I'm no Russia lover, but this shit - it's not Russia's doing. Where this retarded conspiracy theory even floated from?

    The only Russia tie is that AA weapons were Russian-made, which is not a Russia issue really, but the issue of shit ass Iranian operators that messed up.

    Nobody wanted that shit, neither Iran nor definitely Russia. Trying to spin it as some sort of intended operation is retarded.

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    Well...

    This morning when I opened up my computer, there is an article on a Finnish news site where an expert is saying it's possible the plane was shot down by "terrorists", because it looks like it wasn't shot down with SA-15, but some smaller manpad, which would indicate non-governmental troops.

    https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/...4-516bee15baf7

    So I'm not the only one keeping his eyes, ears and mind open before dismissing such a possibility.
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  5. #2185
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I'm no Russia lover, but this shit - it's not Russia's doing. Where this retarded conspiracy theory even floated from?

    The only Russia tie is that AA weapons were Russian-made, which is not a Russia issue really, but the issue of shit ass Iranian operators that messed up.

    Nobody wanted that shit, neither Iran nor definitely Russia. Trying to spin it as some sort of intended operation is retarded.
    Soviet-made, as was aa in ukraine, used by ukrainian military, like when they shot down russian passenger plane in 2001.

  6. #2186
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Norway, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Georgia, Turkey......? You know, all NATO states.

    Georgia not a full member yet though.
    Ah, so NATO, even both countries with nukes, are proxy states. What...?
    Do you know what proxy and what ally is? Gets really funny when you consider history of France in NATO, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Ah, so NATO, even both countries with nukes, are proxy states. What...?
    Do you know what proxy and what ally is? Gets really funny when you consider history of France in NATO, for example.
    An ally turns into a proxy once they start having permanent American military bases in them...
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  8. #2188
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    An ally turns into a proxy once they start having permanent American military bases in them...
    How does supporting your allies change that? USA is the backbone and the most powerful member of the NATO. It supporting it's allies does not make them proxies.
    Conspiracy theory crap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    I hate it when people say ''Trumps base is against wars'' or anything for that matter.

    Trump's base is not against wars in the ME, more then half of Trump voters are probably pro killing of Muslims. Trump's base is just a group of followers who will repeat anything that Trump says.
    And we even have data showing this.

  10. #2190
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    Then I wonder what was happening in Syria since 2014? and lebanon is full of sunni vs shia propoganda.

    and No, only shia (Iran & Yemen mainly) do this. they are the ones chanting fuck america on the streets on daily basis.
    Well, when a country (the US) comes in and kills a lot of people, replace the one in the government and try to kill you by saying "ur a terrorist". Its then ofc people will start chanting "fuck America".

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    I find it funny how 2 of the biggest anti-trump posters here are suddenly licking his boots over this. Skroe and cuddy having some fun.
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  12. #2192
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Soviet-made, as was aa in ukraine, used by ukrainian military, like when they shot down russian passenger plane in 2001.
    Except there is consensus it was shot down by pro-Russian militia in Donbass, not the Ukrainians.

  13. #2193
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus1986 View Post
    Except there is consensus it was shot down by pro-Russian militia in Donbass, not the Ukrainians.
    You confused your passenger planes.

  14. #2194
    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    I find it funny how 2 of the biggest anti-trump posters here are suddenly licking his boots over this. Skroe and cuddy having some fun.
    Whoa. It's like people who hate Trump but love their country continue supporting their country when the orange idiot does something good by accident for once. Crazy concept I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Whoa. It's like people who hate Trump but love their country continue supporting their country when the orange idiot does something good by accident for once. Crazy concept I know.
    I know that killing brown people in your countries most popular hobby, that is the point. I'm sure the 9 other people who died along him don't matter. Or how killing an important general against ISIS/an Iranian national hero is also just a minor side thing.
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  16. #2196
    While I applaud the fact that we killed a total scumbag terrorist, I don't think Trump, or any President for that matter, should be able to start attacking people without consent from Congress. A very slippery slope indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    While I applaud the fact that we killed a total scumbag terrorist, I don't think Trump, or any President for that matter, should be able to start attacking people without consent from Congress. A very slippery slope indeed.
    a terrorist is just anybody who is not on your side, it seems.
    Last edited by CommunismWillWin; 2020-01-10 at 03:09 PM.
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  18. #2198
    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Terrorist is just anybody who is not on your side, it seems.
    So you would argue that Soleimani was not a terrorist? Oh do tell.
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  19. #2199
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    So you would argue that Soleimani was not a terrorist? Oh do tell.
    So, your new slogan is "fight terrorism with... terrorism"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    While I applaud the fact that we killed a total scumbag terrorist, I don't think Trump, or any President for that matter, should be able to start attacking people without consent from Congress. A very slippery slope indeed.
    We don't agree on anything but I would agree with you on this, we should have nipped this in the bud when Obama killed an US citizen overseas. The power of the executive has been out of hand we overacted to 9/11 and gave way too much power to the president. This is not what the founding founders had in mind congress needs to take its power of an co-equal branch of government back.
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