1. #2181
    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    I find it funny how 2 of the biggest anti-trump posters here are suddenly licking his boots over this. Skroe and cuddy having some fun.
    Whoa. It's like people who hate Trump but love their country continue supporting their country when the orange idiot does something good by accident for once. Crazy concept I know.

  2. #2182
    Merely a Setback CommunismWillWin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The Russia that is very communist, da.
    Posts
    25,064
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Whoa. It's like people who hate Trump but love their country continue supporting their country when the orange idiot does something good by accident for once. Crazy concept I know.
    I know that killing brown people in your countries most popular hobby, that is the point. I'm sure the 9 other people who died along him don't matter. Or how killing an important general against ISIS/an Iranian national hero is also just a minor side thing.
    Last edited by CommunismWillWin; 2020-01-10 at 03:03 PM.
    Conservatism and its off-shoots are the most rotten idealogies to ever exist in human history.
    Anarcho-communism =/ Stalinism.
    FULLY AUTOMATED GAY LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM

  3. #2183
    Merely a Setback CommunismWillWin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The Russia that is very communist, da.
    Posts
    25,064
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    While I applaud the fact that we killed a total scumbag terrorist, I don't think Trump, or any President for that matter, should be able to start attacking people without consent from Congress. A very slippery slope indeed.
    a terrorist is just anybody who is not on your side, it seems.
    Last edited by CommunismWillWin; 2020-01-10 at 03:09 PM.
    Conservatism and its off-shoots are the most rotten idealogies to ever exist in human history.
    Anarcho-communism =/ Stalinism.
    FULLY AUTOMATED GAY LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM

  4. #2184
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    So you would argue that Soleimani was not a terrorist? Oh do tell.
    So, your new slogan is "fight terrorism with... terrorism"?

  5. #2185
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    While I applaud the fact that we killed a total scumbag terrorist, I don't think Trump, or any President for that matter, should be able to start attacking people without consent from Congress. A very slippery slope indeed.
    We don't agree on anything but I would agree with you on this, we should have nipped this in the bud when Obama killed an US citizen overseas. The power of the executive has been out of hand we overacted to 9/11 and gave way too much power to the president. This is not what the founding founders had in mind congress needs to take its power of an co-equal branch of government back.
    Last edited by Draco-Onis; 2020-01-10 at 03:58 PM.

  6. #2186
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    So you would argue that Soleimani was not a terrorist? Oh do tell.
    He was a top general in an adversarial sovereign country's military. We are not at war with Iran, this isn't a good look for America.

  7. #2187
    Merely a Setback CommunismWillWin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The Russia that is very communist, da.
    Posts
    25,064
    Quote Originally Posted by ohtlmtlm View Post
    He was a top general in an adversarial sovereign country's military. We are not at war with Iran, this isn't a good look for America.
    I mean, if he does consider him a terrorist, i'm sure they won't mind Iran killing US generals because they are terrorists in Iranian eyes.
    Conservatism and its off-shoots are the most rotten idealogies to ever exist in human history.
    Anarcho-communism =/ Stalinism.
    FULLY AUTOMATED GAY LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM

  8. #2188
    Old God I Push Buttons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    10,943
    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    I mean, if he does consider him a terrorist, i'm sure they won't mind Iran killing US generals because they are terrorists in Iranian eyes.
    Iran's proxies and other terrorists already target our commanders.

    Unlike Iran, however, our generals aren't gallivanting around to secret meetings with terrorists in the middle of the night accompanied by nothing other than tiny escorts and are actually protected.

  9. #2189
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    Iran's proxies and other terrorists already target our commanders.

    Unlike Iran, however, our generals aren't gallivanting around to secret meetings with terrorists in the middle of the night accompanied by nothing other than tiny escorts and are actually protected.
    Problem with your narrative is that we lured him under a false pretense of peace so we knew exactly where he was and who he was with. Trump asked the primed minister of Iraq to ask him to contact him to negotiate peace between Sunni and Shia in Saudi Arabia. There's a lot about this that stinks but this was the worst part, he wasn't going to some secret meeting under of cover of night, he was a head of state we always knew where he was he social medias his locations FFS.

  10. #2190
    Merely a Setback CommunismWillWin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The Russia that is very communist, da.
    Posts
    25,064
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    Iran's proxies and other terrorists already target our commanders.

    Unlike Iran, however, our generals aren't gallivanting around to secret meetings with terrorists in the middle of the night accompanied by nothing other than tiny escorts and are actually protected.
    Ya'll have blacksites where you torture brown people or plan drone strikes on big weddings. Or how about all the terrorists groups the US has funded?
    Last edited by CommunismWillWin; 2020-01-10 at 04:46 PM.
    Conservatism and its off-shoots are the most rotten idealogies to ever exist in human history.
    Anarcho-communism =/ Stalinism.
    FULLY AUTOMATED GAY LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM

  11. #2191
    Old God I Push Buttons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    10,943
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Problem with your narrative is that we lured him under a false pretense of peace so we knew exactly where he was and who he was with. Trump asked the primed minister of Iraq to ask him to contact him to negotiate peace between Sunni and Shia in Saudi Arabia. There's a lot about this that stinks but this was the worst part, he wasn't going to some secret meeting under of cover of night, he was a head of state we always knew where he was he social medias his locations FFS.
    The US didn't lure him under false pretense.

    The Iraqi PM claimed Soleimani was there to meet him regarding efforts to diffuse tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran, completely unrelated to the US. In the same speech he claims Trump asked him to mediate talks between the US and Iran regarding the embassy attack; completely unrelated to Soleimani.

    A couple clickbait outlets decided to mash those two things together into "Trump told Iraq to get Soleimani to a meeting so they could kill him!"

    The Saudi-Iran 'negotiations' were going on before the Embassy attack and he was in Baghdad with regard to those; and to, you know, touch base with his terrorist proxies in their continued efforts against the US. He wasn't in Baghdad to supposedly talk with the US under false pretense, that is complete and utter fabricated nonsense.

  12. #2192
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    The US didn't lure him under false pretense.

    The Iraqi PM claimed Soleimani was there to meet him regarding efforts to diffuse tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran, completely unrelated to the US. In the same speech he claims Trump asked him to mediate talks between the US and Iran regarding the embassy attack; completely unrelated to Soleimani.

    A couple clickbait outlets decided to mash those two things together into "Trump told Iraq to get Soleimani to a meeting so they could kill him!"

    The Saudi-Iran 'negotiations' were going on before the Embassy attack and he was in Baghdad with regard to those; and to, you know, touch base with his terrorist proxies in their continued efforts against the US. He wasn't in Baghdad to supposedly talk with the US under false pretense, that is complete and utter fabricated nonsense.
    So you are saying that the PM of Iraq is lying and Trump is telling the truth? the guy who has 5+ reasons as to why they assassinated him? The point is as you acknowledge he wasn't sneaking in the dead of night we knew where he was and what he was doing regardless if you believe the PM or not. Either way we've set precedence you can now assassinate anyone in any government because you feel like it. I am sure American personnel around the world especially diplomats are now safer if you can't tell that was sarcasm.

  13. #2193
    Old God I Push Buttons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    10,943
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    So you are saying that the PM of Iraq is lying and Trump is telling the truth? the guy who has 5+ reasons as to why they assassinated him? The point is as you acknowledge he wasn't sneaking in the dead of night we knew where he was and what he was doing regardless if you believe the PM or not. Either way we've set precedence you can now assassinate anyone in any government because you feel like it. I am sure American personnel around the world especially diplomats are now safer if you can't tell that was sarcasm.
    No? Did you just stop reading at that point?

    EDIT: Oh and with regard to the second bold... We knew where he was, we didn't know why he was there... Once again, he wasn't there because of us, he was there because of secret dealings between Saudi Arabia and Iran mediated by the Iraqi PM. Unless you are alleging we are privy to the PM of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Iran's secrets, how would we know why he was there? The only thing we knew was he got on a plane in Syria, got off the plane in Iraq, and immediately met with Kata'ib Hezbollah's leader.
    Last edited by I Push Buttons; 2020-01-10 at 04:59 PM.

  14. #2194
    Merely a Setback CommunismWillWin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The Russia that is very communist, da.
    Posts
    25,064
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    So you are saying that the PM of Iraq is lying and Trump is telling the truth? the guy who has 5+ reasons as to why they assassinated him? The point is as you acknowledge he wasn't sneaking in the dead of night we knew where he was and what he was doing regardless if you believe the PM or not. Either way we've set precedence you can now assassinate anyone in any government because you feel like it. I am sure American personnel around the world especially diplomats are now safer if you can't tell that was sarcasm.
    They already felt they could do that for ages, just look at how many times they tried to kill Castro.
    Conservatism and its off-shoots are the most rotten idealogies to ever exist in human history.
    Anarcho-communism =/ Stalinism.
    FULLY AUTOMATED GAY LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM

  15. #2195
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    No? Did you just stop reading at that point?
    You seem to be confused let's state a few facts.

    - We have zero proof of an imminent threat even republicans are saying the evidence is bullshit.
    - Soleimani was a bad guy so what we have tons of bad guys around the world most of them we are friends with but the same protections he had was given to our people.
    - He wasn't hiding or sneaking he is a head of state the US had no problems tracking his location.
    - Two previous presidents had tons of chances to kill him but passed because they thought it was a stupid move.

    You seem to be under the delusion that this was Bin Laden sneaking in to meet with the council of evil doers.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    They already felt they could do that for ages, just look at how many times they tried to kill Castro.
    Yea and we paid a price for that goes to show you how massively idiotic these plots are they always blow up in our faces.

  16. #2196
    Old God I Push Buttons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    10,943
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    - We have zero proof of an imminent threat even republicans are saying the evidence is bullshit.
    I never claimed otherwise? Are you arguing against voices in your head?

    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    - Soleimani was a bad guy so what we have tons of bad guys around the world most of them we are friends with but the same protections he had was given to our people.
    Don't know what you're getting at here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    - He wasn't hiding or sneaking he is a head of state the US had no problems tracking his location.
    He was though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    - Two previous presidents had tons of chances to kill him but passed because they thought it was a stupid move.
    Odd, I just listened to a BBC program on Soleimani called 'The Inquiry' and one of the interviewees was General David Petraeus who said he would have loved for the US to have taken Soleimani out during his tenure in Iraq, but they never had the opportunity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    You seem to be under the delusion that this was Bin Laden sneaking in to meet with the council of evil doers.
    Where is the delusion? The US has designated IRGC and by proxy Quds Force a terrorist organization... And he was meeting with the terrorist leader of a terrorist militia, a guy who was actually tried and convicted of literal terrorism in Kuwait.

  17. #2197
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    Odd, I just listened to a BBC program on Soleimani called 'The Inquiry' and one of the interviewees was General David Petraeus who said he would have loved for the US to have taken Soleimani out during his tenure in Iraq, but they never had the opportunity.
    Considering his history and how bitter he is about how he was treated I wouldn't put much into what he says.

    Where is the delusion? The US has designated IRGC and by proxy Quds Force a terrorist organization... And he was meeting with the terrorist leader of a terrorist militia, a guy who was actually tried and convicted of literal terrorism in Kuwait.
    As we've already established he was doing more than that unless you think Iraq knew he was coming but the US somehow didn't.

  18. #2198
    Old God I Push Buttons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    10,943
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    As we've already established he was doing more than that unless you think Iraq knew he was coming but the US somehow didn't.
    And as I have acknowledged, we knew where he was... We didn't know why he was there (beyond meeting the terrorists who just killed an American and stormed our embassy), unless you have some evidence that the US is privy to all of their secrets?

  19. #2199
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...-of-a-unifying

    Apparently Trump thought that assassinating a foreign official, even if he was designated a terrorist, in a nation we're occupying, with no warning to Congress, Iraq, or anyone else, would be a "unifying event".

    I literally have no idea why. This isn't a plain black and white situation no matter how much Trump and conservatives try to make it out to be. This is firmly one of the 50 shades of grey.

  20. #2200
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    And as I have acknowledged, we knew where he was... We didn't know why he was there (beyond meeting the terrorists who just killed an American and stormed our embassy), unless you have some evidence that the US is privy to all of their secrets?
    I think that's debatable I am more of the mind that we did lure him to his death seeing the mastermind behind our Iranian policy is Mike I want regime change Pompeo. you are free to believe otherwise either way the main issue is the killing of him not what he was doing.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •