1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ssem-soleimani

    2002 AUMF is their legal justification for the strike.

    Again, Congress needs to either shut the fuck up and accept that they've relinquished this power to the Executive because they didn't want to deal with the potential political backlash, or they need to take that power back. This isn't a party issue, it's a Congress issue. And if neither party wants to grow a spine and make a hard push for it, then it's because they actually don't want that authority back.
    One of the side benefits to Congress reining in much of the authority they've ceded to the Executive is that a president with curtailed authority would make for less weeping and gnashing of teeth when the "wrong" guy gets elected. We could shift some of the enormity of the presidential election to Representatives and Senators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade Wolf View Post
    Haven't they used the Iraq war to justify almost everything in the past 15 years?
    At this rate they'll use it to justify everything for the next 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    We'll start having adult conversations when you stop making ridiculous assertions. If you don't want people to play childish games, don't make childish "act of war" posts. I mean, has anyone with any authority seriously mentioned this or was it just a random brain fart?

    Thought so.
    Actually, the rest of us were already having the adult conversation. Then you jumped in with your misrepresentation of the truth. Was that a brain fart? You misrepresented what happened. When you're ready to tell the truth, that's when the adult conversation can start.

    Iran ordered an attack on a U.S. Embassy. Wasn't "throwing rocks" as you tried to claim. If you want to talk about the events, that's fine, but don't misconstrue events and then pretend you are taking some high road.

    Thought so (am I still doing that right? )
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  4. #544
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...leimanis-death

    In the five days prior to launching a strike that killed Iran’s most important military leader, Donald Trump roamed the halls of Mar-a-Lago, his private resort in Florida, and started dropping hints to close associates and club-goers that something huge was coming.

    According to three people who’ve been at the president’s Palm Beach club over the past several days, Trump began telling friends and allies hanging at his perennial vacation getaway that he was working on a “big” response to the Iranian regime that they would be hearing or reading about very “soon.” Two of these sources tell The Daily Beast that the president specifically mentioned he’d been in close contact with his top national-security and military advisers on gaming out options for an aggressive action that could quickly materialize.
    So, Trump didn't bother informing Congress, just Lindsey Graham since he was at the property, but he did decide to start dropping hints to civilian members of his club.

    Hey Republicans, weren't y'all concerned with the security of classified information at one point?

  5. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Actually, the rest of us were already having the adult conversation. Then you jumped in with your misrepresentation of the truth. Was that a brain fart? You misrepresented what happened. When you're ready to tell the truth, that's when the adult conversation can start.

    Iran ordered an attack on a U.S. Embassy. Wasn't "throwing rocks" as you tried to claim. If you want to talk about the events, that's fine, but don't misconstrue events and then pretend you are taking some high road.

    Thought so (am I still doing that right? )
    those must have been some hard core rocks...
    https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...ck/2793991001/

  6. #546
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps...e-intelligence

    And Fox News/Hannity have taken a break from their, "WE CAN'T TRUST THE ANTI-TRUMP DEEP STATE US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY!" propaganda to...beg people to trust the very "ANTI-TRUMP DEEP STATE US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY" that he's spent the past few years telling people not to believe.

    “The ability of the military, our intelligence community, the State Department, and the president making the call, very quickly, you know, understood that the Iranian forces on the ground bore a direct threat to the American people,” said Hannity, calling into his own show on Thursday night. “Once the intelligence was confirmed, once the understanding that they were there to sow the discord and discontent, the president acted as quickly as possible, taking out this top general.”

    “But I will say the big headline is, this is a huge victory for American intelligence, a huge victory for our military, a huge victory for the State Department, and a huge victory and total leadership by the president,” the primetime host, who has spent more than two years and countless on-air segments railing against shadowy “deep state” intelligence, concluded.

  7. #547
    How many of you have actually spent time in the Middle East. Well except for the ones killing Muslims in the middle east of course. The BS that goes on this website regarding an area that you all don't understand is astonishing.

    The US effective declared war on Iran, first it killed Iraqis in air strikes, and Iraqis responded by attacking the US embassy. In response the US kills an Irani General. Imagine what the feeling in the US would be if a US general was killed by Iran.

    The US is starting world war 3 just to fuck over people and save that racist Trumps ass.

    Seriously how many of you buy into your crazy propaganda machine. You all would make Gobbels very proud.
    You can't fix stupid. But damn it you can troll it!

  8. #548
    Apperantly the US has done a third airstrike saturday morning (local time)

  9. #549
    Quote Originally Posted by Hif View Post
    How many of you have actually spent time in the Middle East. Well except for the ones killing Muslims in the middle east of course. The BS that goes on this website regarding an area that you all don't understand is astonishing.

    The US effective declared war on Iran, first it killed Iraqis in air strikes, and Iraqis responded by attacking the US embassy. In response the US kills an Irani General. Imagine what the feeling in the US would be if a US general was killed by Iran.

    The US is starting world war 3 just to fuck over people and save that racist Trumps ass.

    Seriously how many of you buy into your crazy propaganda machine. You all would make Gobbels very proud.
    It won't be WW3. It'd be like Vietnam, but much, much bloodier.

  10. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    It won't be WW3. It'd be like Vietnam, but much, much bloodier.
    Its just fucked up. Syria is burning. Lebanon is on the verge of a revolution. Yemen is fucked up. Jordan is having issues with their palestinian population and are feuding with Israel. Iraq is a cluster fuck and the US goes hey lets pour some damn gasoline on this dumpster fire. It couldn't get any worse.

    Why in the hell is the US willing to kill so many people for no reason.
    You can't fix stupid. But damn it you can troll it!

  11. #551
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Actually, the rest of us were already having the adult conversation. Then you jumped in with your misrepresentation of the truth. Was that a brain fart? You misrepresented what happened. When you're ready to tell the truth, that's when the adult conversation can start.

    Iran ordered an attack on a U.S. Embassy. Wasn't "throwing rocks" as you tried to claim. If you want to talk about the events, that's fine, but don't misconstrue events and then pretend you are taking some high road.

    Thought so (am I still doing that right? )
    Umm, circle jerking each other is indeed an "adult conversation". I'll leave you to your echo chamber where a rag tag bunch of very much non nation state protesters committed an act of war. (Am i doing your adult emjois right?)

    I also never claimed they were "throwing rocks", I said if I did it would that be considered an act of war? Reading comprehension (something adults have...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadwen View Post
    those must have been some hard core rocks...
    https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...ck/2793991001/
    This is what I'm talking about when it comes to serious conversations. If people like @Deja Thoris can't be bothered to tell the truth, then we can't really have serious policy discussion with them. I mean, he label that with:
    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    So if I went and attacked the embassy in London by hurling some bricks at it the UK would be committing an act of war on the USA?
    The issue isn't even the damage level, although it is considerable. The issue is that Iran, a sovereign nation, attacked our embassy. That kind of thing can't go unpunished.
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  13. #553
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    The US just did another airstrike on Iranian troops in Iraq.
    It's a bit contradictory when you say you don't want a war and then launch another attack

  14. #554
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    This is what I'm talking about when it comes to serious conversations. If people like @Deja Thoris can't be bothered to tell the truth, then we can't really have serious policy discussion with them. I mean, he label that with:


    The issue isn't even the damage level, although it is considerable. The issue is that Iran, a sovereign nation, attacked our embassy. That kind of thing can't go unpunished.
    It shouldn't go unpunished, but this isn't the punishment that should have happened. We had 2 administrations who had the chance to kill Sulemain. They chose not to because they knew the risks. Trump just does whatever cause he's an idiot.

  15. #555
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    It's a bit contradictory when you say you don't want a war and then launch another attack
    Because there is no strategy. Trump is reactive, not proactive, and doesn't have the mental capability or patience to participate in broader planning sessions for something like a strategy in the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    Umm, circle jerking each other is indeed an "adult conversation". I'll leave you to your echo chamber where a rag tag bunch of very much non nation state protesters committed an act of war. (Am i doing your adult emjois right?)
    You can circle jerk all you want. The rest of us are trying to discuss foreign policy while you sit and stew in your misunderstanding of even basic facts of the events.


    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    I also never claimed they were "throwing rocks", I said if I did it would that be considered an act of war? Reading comprehension (something adults have...)
    And this is where people like you break down. Back peddling on petty issues, while you try to duck and dodge the misrepresentations you needed to even attempt your feeble point. If you can't even be bothered to recall what you said, how can any of us take you seriously.

    The question at hand is: Iran attacked our Embassy. Burned part of the compound. How would you suggest we respond?
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  17. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by Hif View Post
    Its just fucked up. Syria is burning. Lebanon is on the verge of a revolution. Yemen is fucked up. Jordan is having issues with their palestinian population and are feuding with Israel. Iraq is a cluster fuck and the US goes hey lets pour some damn gasoline on this dumpster fire. It couldn't get any worse.

    Why in the hell is the US willing to kill so many people for no reason.
    Killing a bunch of people is like the only thing both parties in the US can still agree on.

    But hey, they're terrorists so it doesn't matter. Please ignore the ~200k dead Iraqi civilians, the US totally isn't engaging in terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    The question at hand is: Iran attacked our Embassy. Burned part of the compound. How would you suggest we respond?
    Iran did not. Iraqis attacked the US Embassy and damaged the building(no casualties) because the US was bombing Iraqis.

  18. #558
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    This is what I'm talking about when it comes to serious conversations. If people like @Deja Thoris can't be bothered to tell the truth, then we can't really have serious policy discussion with them. I mean, he label that with:


    The issue isn't even the damage level, although it is considerable. The issue is that Iran, a sovereign nation, attacked our embassy. That kind of thing can't go unpunished.
    Once again, I didn't say thats what they did, I said "If I did...", wow, reading comprehension.

    Ok, If I went there and burned some shit, chanted some Death to America slogans and smashed some doors down....act of war?

    Didn't think so. Great conversation.

    Tell me again how non nation state actors can perpetrate acts of war?

    Serious policy discussion from you? Don't make me laugh. Skroe can hold serious policy discussions because he understands whats happening there, who the actors are and what the implications and nuances are. I'm not confident you could point out most of the countries involved on a map.

    And lol, just saw the post above, you don't even know who did what. "Serious policy discussion" Rofl.

  19. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    It's a bit contradictory when you say you don't want a war and then launch another attack
    The US just did another airstrike on Iranian troops in Iraq.
    Just out of curiosity is that bolded part suppose to be normal for over there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    It shouldn't go unpunished, but this isn't the punishment that should have happened. We had 2 administrations who had the chance to kill Sulemain. They chose not to because they knew the risks. Trump just does whatever cause he's an idiot.
    I think that's the biggest criticism of the assassination. And I'm itching to agree because it's Trump. But as a policy, it has sound roots. And in some arenas is considered long overdue.
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