Iranian General Sulemain and others reported killed in Baghdad airstrike

[Draco-Onis]

I just know a lot of history, particularly European.

So do I but we don't know hypothetically what the world would look like if the EU was in the place of the US or let's say New Zealand or any number of countries. You only know what we live in now not hypothetical history it's pure hubris to assume it would be worse or better.

[Edge-]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/05/p...nts/index.html

Asked about the prospects for retaliation from Iran for the US strike that killed Iran's top military commander, Trump said "If it happens it happens."

Donald Trump is functionally openly admitting he doesn't care if US citizens are harmed in response to the US attack, because in his words, "If it happens it happens."

Republicans, this is your president. This is your leader. This is the moral guardian of family values.

Clean up your house and take out the garbage.

And he's still threatening that the US will behave like ISIS and openly engage in war crimes. As a reminder.

[Voidwielder]

Top Iranian Presidential Adviser Says Tehran's 'Sole Problem is Trump,' Not Average American People: "We have zero problems with the American people. We even achieved deals with previous US administrations. Our sole problem is Trump," Ashena said.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c..._says_tehrans/

They are walking back and showing their underbelly.

[starlord]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/05/p...nts/index.html



Donald Trump is functionally openly admitting he doesn't care if US citizens are harmed in response to the US attack, because in his words, "If it happens it happens."

Republicans, this is your president. This is your leader. This is the moral guardian of family values.

Clean up your house and take out the garbage.

And he's still threatening that the US will behave like ISIS and openly engage in war crimes. As a reminder.

i guess thats his grand plan to restore pax americana or some shiz.

[Shadowferal]

They are walking back and showing their underbelly.

o I dunno...if they take out a couple of Trump properties...*le shrug*

[Omega10]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ction-response

Israel is washing their hands of this matter entirely, they do not have our back.

And they called the killing of Suleimani an "assassination" -



Trump is now getting one of our staunchest allies to abandon us. If this wasn't terrifying, this would be impressive.

“The assassination of Suleimani isn’t an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it.”

You have this in quotes. You are claiming this is an exact quote from a high up Israeli leader.

If so, it sounds like Russia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, and Saudi Arabia have had some discussions. Probably a variation of If we burn, you burn WITH us. to start things off.

This is very consistent with the Iranian tweets blaming this entirely on Trump, with no one else at fault. No blame at all directed at either Saudi Arabia or Israel.

This is almost hopeful.

[Edge-]

“The assassination of Suleimani isn’t an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it.”

You have this in quotes. You are claiming this is an exact quote from a high up Israeli leader.

If so, it sounds like Russia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, and Saudi Arabia have had some discussions. Probably a variation of If we burn, you burn WITH us. to start things off.

This is very consistent with the Iranian tweets blaming this entirely on Trump, with no one else at fault. No blame at all directed at either Saudi Arabia or Israel.

This is almost hopeful.

Because it was said by Benjamin Netanyahu, that's why.

He doesn't need to have discussions with anyone, the danger of this conflict escalating is painfully apparent and he is more interested in protecting Israel than he is in standing by the US, as he should be. But it speaks volumes to both the damage Trump has done to our relationships with our allies and how dangerous his moves in the ME are right now.

[NED funded]

Its nice to see that fake news spread like wildfire but unlike those in Australia no one seems to care

[Deadite]

o I dunno...if they take out a couple of Trump properties...*le shrug*

*le shrug* to the people working or stay there as well?

[Templar 331]

They are walking back and showing their underbelly.

They're taking a higher road than our idiot in chief who bragged about targeting 52 cultural sites. That tells whose the lesser terrorist.

[Puupi]

And now Mark Esper is saying the US isn't withdrawing from Iraq. What a mess, go figure...lol

[Edge-]

And now Mark Esper is saying the US isn't withdrawing from Iraq. What a mess, go figure...lol

Can you link shit? It's annoying to have to look up sauce for stuff all the time - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...860_story.html

- - - Updated - - -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...an-iraq-do-it/

In a speech Sunday, President Trump said there would be serious repercussions if Iraq expelled U.S. armed forces following the killing of the commander of Iran’s elite Quds Force, Qasem Soleimani. He said the United States would demand that Iraq repay money spent on a major air base, and he threatened that Washington would “charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before, ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”

Winning allies and making friends everywhere he goes. I swear, the greatest achievement of Donald Trump may be uniting the whole ME against the US.

[Puupi]

Can you link shit? It's annoying to have to look up sauce for stuff all the time - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...860_story.html

- - - Updated - - -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...an-iraq-do-it/



Winning allies and making friends everywhere he goes. I swear, the greatest achievement of Donald Trump may be uniting the whole ME against the US.

Well I'm reading it from the Finnish news sites, no point linking Finnish articles here. And they don't have the links to the English sources, only stating "Reuters, AFP, AP" etc. because that's how those companies operate.

[ati87]

Because it was said by Benjamin Netanyahu, that's why.

He doesn't need to have discussions with anyone, the danger of this conflict escalating is painfully apparent and he is more interested in protecting Israel than he is in standing by the US, as he should be. But it speaks volumes to both the damage Trump has done to our relationships with our allies and how dangerous his moves in the ME are right now.

Because if it was up to Netanyahu the attack would have been aimed at the Iran military in order to cripple it, like with the 6-day war. Now however any surprise pre-emptive strike would probably cause minimum damage since Iran would/should be prepared for an American invasion.

It's easy for Americans here to talk tough and how they should teach Iran a lesson in obedience but for those that live in the area (Israel) the danger of an Iran military strike as retaliation is something they should consider. As horrible as it may be Israel and SA are probably one of the few ways Iran can cause actual damage to the US.

[alexw]

They are walking back and showing their underbelly.

No thats not what they are doing. They are playing it smart and turning it into a Trump vs everyone else issue. The human shit stain inhabiting the white house is loathed by half the country and most of the rest of the world. They know this. Also treating it as a Trump vs everyone else issue and retaliating against Trump personally in some way rather than against general US interests would be hugely problimatical for Trump and the US establishment.

Imagine if they planted a bomb in a Trump property in the middle east, then called in a bomb threat to empty it, then blew it up. How exactly does the US military respond to that? Are the US military going to act as Trump's personal enforcer arm? Undertaking retaliatory action on behalf of Trump's business losses? If I was Iran this is exactly what I would do.

[Azadina]

They're taking a higher road than our idiot in chief who bragged about targeting 52 cultural sites. That tells whose the lesser terrorist.

It's hardly surprising coming from Donald "kill their families" Trump. Advocating war crimes and terrorism is what he does best.

[Omega10]

Because it was said by Benjamin Netanyahu, that's why.

He doesn't need to have discussions with anyone, the danger of this conflict escalating is painfully apparent and he is more interested in protecting Israel than he is in standing by the US, as he should be. But it speaks volumes to both the damage Trump has done to our relationships with our allies and how dangerous his moves in the ME are right now.

Dangerous? Trump got us out of South East Asia by leaving the economic treaty we had been working on with South East Asia.

Now Trump seems to have found a way to get us out of the Middle East. It almost sounds like he has united Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Israel. Or at least has gotten them talking together a little bit on the same page. It looks like the first step is already being completed as we apparently are already leaving Iraq.

Skroe used to talk about the importance of the US leaving the Middle East so we could pivot to the Far East. It's possible that we may be seeing the start of us leaving the Middle East now.

Sorry for questioning this quote at first, but so many quotes turn out to be either just plain false, or taken out of context. This is the first time since the assassination that I have felt there there is a chance for even a remotely good ending to this.

Trump talked up the idea of getting our troops out of Afghanistan, and got defeated.
Trump talked up the idea of getting our troops out of Syria, and got defeated.

Trump said ok you want war with Iran, I'll take the extreme option, and I'll follow it up with hateful tweets.

And now we are leaving Iraq, Iran and Iraq seem to be allies now, Israel wants to not be involved, and Saudi Arabia just wants to avoid being bombed to smithereens, as indicated by the peace offering that the person who was assassinated was planning to present.

[Flower Milk]

So not only are all our allies abandoning us over this, but we're also pulling out of our most strategic position in the Middle East for combating ISIS.

Truly Making America Great Again, great job Trump and his supporters.

[zenkai]

I don't understand how anyone can defend Iran and the shit they do.

[alexw]

So not only are all our allies abandoning us over this, but we're also pulling out of our most strategic position in the Middle East for combating ISIS.

Truly Making America Great Again, great job Trump and his supporters.

Trump is the greatest!

He only does great things!

His fuck ups are so great, that you wouldn't believe them if you didn't see them with your own eyes!