1. #1441
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    I don't have a problem against Iranians. I have Iranian friends who agree with me. The Iranian government is the one at fault for exporting the Islamic revolution to other countries for the sake of expanding its influence over the middle east.
    atleast they stay in the middle east
    arabia is funding it all over the world including here

  2. #1442
    Quote Originally Posted by Aenigma84 View Post
    do what ? bomb a friendly nations airport blowing up officials of sayd nation in the process to get one guy you view as a terrorist ?

    you americans love to forget you where not invited in syria, your asked to leave Iraq and your voilating nternational law all over the place there, and seem to think its your right to voilate other peoples sovereignty.
    the US isnt any better with the difference that your meddling in a region thousends of miles away while they try to increase influence at their own border.

    Americans committed plenty of terror attacks themself using drones on woman, children and weddings so i wouldnt try to hold the high morale ground here .

    personally i dont care about iran but to claim that they are a threat to europe of mainland us is fairly redicilous, they never caused any terrorist attack outside the ME, unlike your saudi & sunni friends.

    personally i hope EU stays out of this if the US & iran fight it out
    This is about the larger issue. You think Russia and China are not watching when the US does something like this? It is about sending a message to them just as much as it is about killing someone from bush league authoritarian country.

    EU should QQ a bit and then just silently let it slide.

  3. #1443
    40 people died at the funeral being stampeded.
    Do you hear the voices too?

  4. #1444
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    I don't have a problem against Iranians. I have Iranian friends who agree with me. The Iranian government is the one at fault for exporting the Islamic revolution to other countries for the sake of expanding its influence over the middle east.
    The Saudis do the same thing so it's the brand of extremists you have problem with I guess second did you just use I have black friends defense for Iranians?

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    There is a book written where specops guys are talking about being in Afghan months before 9/11 in the northern part of the country. I think even the last Medal of Honor game hits on the ops there.
    Edit: may be CIA.

    Our involvement in Afghan was pretty small, we weren't very invested, Obama ordered the surge (rightfully so) to finally potentially make progress outside of bombing people in caves. I think Bush would have made the same decision, but he was tied down with Iraq, our involvement was winding down there when Obama came in.
    We had special missions there but we have special missions all over the world that are off the books but point remains Bush got us into Afghanistan it was handed to Obama he didn't start it.

  5. #1445
    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoiD84 View Post
    40 people died at the funeral being stampeded.
    That means event was successful. Less than 10 people dead - boring event with low turnout.

    It happens every time there is a massive gathering of people in Middle East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlaster View Post
    That means event was successful. Less than 10 people dead - boring event with low turnout.

    It happens every time there is a massive gathering of people in Middle East.
    I remember mecca in 2015, 2500 dead or something.
    Do you hear the voices too?

  7. #1447
    Odd..targeting cultural sites, did he get the idea from a movie?...

    I knew of the funeral this weekend, didn't pay attention, thought the orangutang would keep a low profile..



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  8. #1448
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Who gives a shit about what terrorists think of anything. Terrorists should live in fear of what western countries will do to them if they start getting any ideas.

    Personally I don't think cultural sites should have any special protection, but I guess it should be avoided if you are party to conventions or agreements that forbid it.
    So in the same post you stick it to terrorists, and then suggest doing the same thing they do.

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    Iran was divided with internal protest and external pressure wanting them out of Iraq.

    Now look, they’re united.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Iran was divided with internal protest and external pressure wanting them out of Iraq.

    Now look, they’re united.
    Maybe they will return the favor and unite the US with a single bullet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean, the last 3 wars in the Middle East the US engaged in (Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq) were all under Republican presidents (and the same family to boot, Bush Sr/Jr). Democrats have engaged in military action and regime change as well (sup Libya), but not starting full blown wars.
    And the US was dragged into the Libya affair by France.

  12. #1452
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    So in the same post you stick it to terrorists, and then suggest doing the same thing they do.
    The fact that Iran just voted for and approved to designate the Pentagon and US military as terrorist organizations should be a bit telling doesn't it, especially if your honest since you can't really argue against this the attack itself was no better then a suicide bomber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Iran was divided with internal protest and external pressure wanting them out of Iraq.

    Now look, they’re united.
    Imagine actually believing this.

    They were just protesting the oppressive Iranian regime en mass and being killed by them to the tune of at least hundreds, some speculate north of one-two thousand... And now you think they are all 100% united in favor of that oppressive regime because a high ranking member of said oppressive regime was killed?

    And you believe this based on what? Literal propaganda videos released by the government of Iran?

  14. #1454
    Sounds like Lindsay Graham is ok with giving Trump the power to start a war for whatever reason.
    I'm also pretty sure that Americans didn't elect Trump, the outdated EC did.
    Often updated... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    Imagine actually believing this.

    They were just protesting the oppressive Iranian regime en mass and being killed by them to the tune of at least hundreds, some speculate north of one-two thousand... And now you think they are all 100% united in favor of that oppressive regime because a high ranking member of said oppressive regime was killed?

    And you believe this based on what? Literal propaganda videos released by the government of Iran?
    I fail to see whwre I said 100% and an external existential crisis tends to bring people together and the Iraq Iran relationship has found solidarity here as he was a big figure for both. Remember that these people are Shia Muslims surrounded by Sunnis who want them gone. Are you confused or lost as to how a popular figure being assassinated, liked by a large number of people can unite people under hate for those who killed them?

  16. #1456
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Who gives a shit about what terrorists think of anything. Terrorists should live in fear of what western countries will do to them if they start getting any ideas.

    Personally I don't think cultural sites should have any special protection, but I guess it should be avoided if you are party to conventions or agreements that forbid it.
    People aren't born terrorists but killing and/or maiming their friends, family, neighbours and countrymen may persuade them that terrorism is the only way to fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Odd..targeting cultural sites, did he get the idea from a movie?...
    Probably taking ideas from the ISIS play-book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    So in the same post you stick it to terrorists, and then suggest doing the same thing they do.
    If only Trump and ISIS supporters could get together and bond over their mutual love of petty violence and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I fail to see whwre I said 100% and an external existential crisis tends to bring people together and the Iraq Iran relationship has found solidarity here as he was a big figure for both. Remember that these people are Shia Muslims surrounded by Sunnis who want them gone. Are you confused or lost as to how a popular figure being assassinated, liked by a large number of people can unite people under hate for those who killed them?
    Indeed.

    Meanwhile, from actual Iranians:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ing-soleimani/

    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Post; Masih Alinejad
    Over the next few days, it will be hard to escape footage of huge crowds gathering in Iranian cities to mourn the death of Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian general killed by a U.S. drone strike. For anyone watching, I have one piece of advice: Don’t take what you’re seeing at face value.

    This past November, thousands of Iranians took to the streets across the country to protest against the regime, in the biggest challenge to the clerical rule in 40 years. According to Reuters, more than 1,500 people were killed by security forces, including units of Soleimani’s Revolutionary Guard, and at least 7,000 have been arrested. The Internet was shut down for five days. Tehran has yet to release official figures of its own, which suggests the death toll may have been even higher.

    The protesters had harsh words for Soleimani and his foreign adventures, chanting against Iran’s involvement in Syria and its support of Hezbollah. That came as a shock to the regime, which portrays Soleimani as Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s adopted son.

    Of course, people across the political divide are concerned about war. Nobody wants President Trump to bomb Iran’s cultural or historical sites as he threatened in a tweet on Saturday. I myself denounced the tweet on Fox News on Sunday.

    But what to make of the crowds of flag-waving mourners streaming across TV screens? Without doubt, Soleimani had support among hard-liners and regime loyalists. The regime is not taking any chances, though. In the city of Ahvaz, where large numbers of people turned out to mourn Soleimani, the government has forced students and officials to attend. It provided free transport and ordered shops to shut down. According to videos sent to me by people inside the country, the authorities are making little kids write essays praising the fallen commander. First-graders who didn’t know how to write were encouraged to cry for Soleimani.

    Some Iranians have compared the funeral services for Soleimani to those held for the Nazi leader Reinhard Heydrich, the Butcher of Prague, killed by Allied agents during World War II.

    Soleimani was not a benign official. In 1999, he was among the Revolutionary Guard leaders who demanded that then-President Mohammad Khatami crush university student demonstrations or face the consequences. Current Supreme Leader Khamenei praised Soleimani for his staunch defense of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, who has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people. Few Syrians are mourning him.

    The media in the Islamic Republic is heavily controlled. Public gatherings are allowed only if they are pro-regime. Critics are jailed or shot. (Even I, living outside the country, have received a death threat on Iranian national TV for my coverage of Soleimani’s killing.) So it’s not hard to use all the tools and resources of the state to stage a funeral procession.

    I have more than 4 million followers on various social media networks, and I have received thousands of messages, voice mails and videos from Iranians in cities such as Shiraz, Isfahan, Tehran and even Ahvaz, who are happy about Soleimani’s death. Some complain of the pressure to attend services for him.

    There are many Iranian voices who think Soleimani was a war criminal, but Western journalists rarely reach out to them. Ironically, the Western media is more skeptical of such state-organized events in other countries, such as Russia or North Korea, but seems to leave its critical sense at the border when it comes to the Islamic Republic. While it’s true that Western correspondents face daunting conditions when it comes to reporting the truth from Iran, that shouldn’t excuse the many times they’ve shown unwarranted gullibility toward the official version of events.

    Remember all the articles that predicted how Iranians were going to unite in resistance to President Trump’s sanctions? The same analysts who missed November’s protests are now predicting Iranians will rally around the flag.

    This sorely underestimates the anger and resentment over the crackdown. The authorities forced many families to pay blood money in order to receive the body of their loved ones from the morgue. Some even had to sign official forms waiving the right to hold a public funeral as a condition of getting bodies returned.

    Two weeks ago, the parents and nine other family members of Pouya Bakhtiari, a 27-year-old engineer who was killed during the protests, were arrested to stop them from having funeral services. Two days later, on Dec. 26, thousands of security forces using armored cars, water cannons and even helicopters were deployed to stop mourning ceremonies for some of the victims.

    These families of those killed are not mourning Soleimani. In 2009, the Revolutionary Guards led the crackdown on the so-called Green Movement protests against the disputed presidential election. Many of the mothers of those killed in 2009, in 2017 and in 2019 are rejoicing about Soleimani’s death. How do I know? Because they’ve sent me videos of themselves, speaking to the camera, dancing, or even sharing cakes and sweets.

    I and others have been saying for years that the current repressive conditions in the country are not tenable and that more protests would break out. We were right. And I’ll say it again: Don’t be fooled. Iran will see more anti-regime protests.

  18. #1458
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I fail to see whwre I said 100% and an external existential crisis tends to bring people together and the Iraq Iran relationship has found solidarity here as he was a big figure for both. Remember that these people are Shia Muslims surrounded by Sunnis who want them gone. Are you confused or lost as to how a popular figure being assassinated, liked by a large number of people can unite people under hate for those who killed them?
    I thought they were going to unite against us the hundred other times people shouted death to America over us bombing them. If killing thousands of civilians didn't turn them, why is this one going to do it?
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  19. #1459
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    Indeed.

    Meanwhile, from actual Iranians:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ing-soleimani/
    I have no doubt that there is allot of propaganda coming out of Iran now but also the opposite propaganda coming out of the opponents of the Irani government. which is why the whole argument in how popular this guy really the chickenhawks like to start just a weird distraction for an act that the US government had to lie about the reasoning.

  20. #1460
    If the U.S. decides to bomb Iranian cultural sites and decrees its action legitimate no outside power is capable of deeming otherwise and holding it accountable.

    Much like with this drone strike and the countless other drone strikes. Its almost as if people forget about American exceptionalism and how grim it is. You can see advocates of supremacy in this thread not even arguing but stating it. These are cowards without morals, do not be fooled into giving them legitimacy on this issue or frankly any other topic. When people tell you what they are, believe them.

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