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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitros14 View Post
    If my memory isn't completely faulty there's a few bosses that should be at least mildly challenging in vanilla. Specifically Gothik the Harvester, the Four Horsemen, Kel'Thuzad and maybe? C'thun.

    The rest are gonna fall over though. Especially BWL.

    Kel'Thuzad is widely considered the hardest boss in classic and there's at least quite a few mechanics going on there. It's not going to be like the level 80 Naxxramas version of the fight, having done them both. His spell coolddowns are about 33% shorter and a number of the abilities work differently.

    1: Phase 1 is 2 minutes longer than the 80 version with a fairly intense portion at the end, two skeletons hitting at the same time will kill most of the raid. Banshees one shot you now if they catch you.
    2: Frostbolt, one shots the tank if not interrupted. 11,000 frost damage 1.5 second cast.
    3: Frostbolt volley, is 'healer stuff' but 3500 frost damage on people with 4500 HP every 15 seconds hurts, plus keeps the raid 40% snared for his other abilities.
    4: Mana detonation, geddon bomb but with a 4 second duration instead of 10 as well as burns 50% of max mana.
    5: Frost Blast, 130% of max HP damage over 5 seconds, chains to anyone within 10 yards and continues chaining infinitely (unlike the 80 version.) Also you have no AoE heals for melee besides prayer of healing.
    6: Shadow fissure, move or be instakilled.
    7: Chains of Kel'Thuzad, always mind controls his current tank and he's immune to taunt. Needs a tank switch, plus 4 other players MC'd, fast CC needed since they get a 200% damage buff and warriors can turn around and instakill someone.
    8: Guardians of Icecrown can be CC'd in the 60 version, but only 3 of the 5 or Kel'Thuzad dispels the CC. They also hit a lot harder and in addition to gaining the Blood Tap damage buff over time they gain it on switching to and hitting a new target and on killing a player.

    It's not going to be nearly as hard as a modern mythic encounter, but not exactly a pushover either. Plenty of abilities in play. The tuning difference vs the 80 version most people did is also monstrous. Frostbolt Volley in the 80 version did 5,000 frost damage to players with 25,000 HP, versus 3,500 damage to players with ~5,000 HP.

    Four Horsemen will be fun too. You need to get all your healers and tanks to execute their group rotations perfectly for 10-15 minutes (in actual vanilla Four Horsemen was a 20-25 minute fight but DPS is better now). Unlike the 80 version the Horsemen shield wall at 50% and 25% and can barely be damaged for 20 seconds, making zerging a horseman down impossible. And the marks last 75 seconds instead of 25 seconds.

    Gothik is a serious CC and tanking challenge at 60 as well.

    You're right about how pathetic most classic content is. But that's exactly how Naxxramas 60 got its reputation, the late bosses in there were so much harder than the easy and simple content people were used to. They're not that hard now (and private server guilds that have done them before will steamroll them of course and you can trivialize them with world buff stacking) but at the time it was shocking.
    I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.

    4 Horsemen for example, it's not a 10-15 minute fight, it's a 4 minute fight for a guild going balls to the wall. https://youtu.be/B3YPST0Xqfw?t=4075

    And that's on private servers which have been proven to have higher health, resists and armor on bosses than on live classic servers, at least for MC. On classic that will probably be a 3 minute fight, maybe 5-6 on progression.

    In original vanilla there's not a lot of videos of it being done, but here's one by Curse where it takes about 8:30 to kill the boss. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-8l3UXtYI

    For KT, you can actually go and watch the original world first video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CNN_Cn2L2A

    Phase 1 is about 1 minute and 40 seconds long. You can also see very clearly at 4:10 the undead warrior marked with a circle eats a single target frostbolt. That UI and resolution is so scuffed I can't see how much damage it does, but he doesn't die.

    I don't mean to sound harsh, especially since I agree with you in a broad sense, but you really need to fact check some of this stuff.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by OrcsRLame View Post
    I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.

    4 Horsemen for example, it's not a 10-15 minute fight, it's a 4 minute fight for a guild going balls to the wall. https://youtu.be/B3YPST0Xqfw?t=4075

    And that's on private servers which have been proven to have higher health, resists and armor on bosses than on live classic servers, at least for MC. On classic that will probably be a 3 minute fight, maybe 5-6 on progression.

    In original vanilla there's not a lot of videos of it being done, but here's one by Curse where it takes about 8:30 to kill the boss. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-8l3UXtYI

    For KT, you can actually go and watch the original world first video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CNN_Cn2L2A

    Phase 1 is about 1 minute and 40 seconds long. You can also see very clearly at 4:10 the undead warrior marked with a circle eats a single target frostbolt. That UI and resolution is so scuffed I can't see how much damage it does, but he doesn't die.

    I don't mean to sound harsh, especially since I agree with you in a broad sense, but you really need to fact check some of this stuff.
    That's edited. Phase 1 is definitely 5 minutes 10 seconds. I've done the fight myself, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c_H3A0WkDU Also look at the video you yourself linked Kel'Thuzad phase 1 is 1h17m to 1h22m.

    Here's a recent private server first progression kill of Four Horsemen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAy5rYghRik It's 14 minutes, no world buffs. The video you linked is with full world buffs which as I said trivialize anything in classic. That shit increases your damage by 2-3 times. Elysium didn't change the original tuning "Naxxramas will be released with no custom damage, health, armor, or resistance tuning."

    Also in the curse video, you can see it's very sped up. The time stamps in chat though tell you how long their kill was. 11:40 they pull, 12:00 they kill the boss. 20 minute fight.

    The warrior resisted it you can see he does the resist animation and doesn't turn blue. It's possible to survive the frostbolt, since it's a binary resist in classic though it's either full resist or nothing. Also with enough buffs you can get past 11,000 HP and survive it as well, or get lucky since it's 9,000-11,000 damage.

    It's actually quite difficult to find a video with the frostbolt damage.

    But here's something

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...898&height=676

    2h53m03s the tank is at 8435 HP. 0.5 seconds left on Kel'Thuzad's frostbolt cast.

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...887&height=677

    2h53m04s tank is dead, one shot.
    Last edited by Nitros14; 2020-01-11 at 10:23 PM.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by OrcsRLame View Post
    I don't mean to sound harsh, especially since I agree with you in a broad sense, but you really need to fact check some of this stuff.
    Ye, back at you dude seeing as the whole premise of your post is baseless and incredibly ignorant as per your own videos.

  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitros14 View Post
    That's edited. Phase 1 is definitely 5 minutes 10 seconds. I've done the fight myself, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c_H3A0WkDU Also look at the video you yourself linked Kel'Thuzad phase 1 is 1h17m to 1h22m.

    Here's a recent private server first progression kill of Four Horsemen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAy5rYghRik It's 14 minutes, no world buffs. The video you linked is with full world buffs which as I said trivialize anything in classic. That shit increases your damage by 2-3 times. Elysium didn't change the original tuning "Naxxramas will be released with no custom damage, health, armor, or resistance tuning."

    Also in the curse video, you can see it's very sped up. The time stamps in chat though tell you how long their kill was. 11:40 they pull, 12:00 they kill the boss. 20 minute fight.

    The warrior resisted it you can see he does the resist animation and doesn't turn blue. It's possible to survive the frostbolt, since it's a binary resist in classic though it's either full resist or nothing. Also with enough buffs you can get past 11,000 HP and survive it as well, or get lucky since it's 9,000-11,000 damage.

    It's actually quite difficult to find a video with the frostbolt damage.

    But here's something

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...898&height=676

    2h53m03s the tank is at 8435 HP. 0.5 seconds left on Kel'Thuzad's frostbolt cast.

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...887&height=677

    2h53m04s tank is dead, one shot.
    Private servers lol.
    Just drop it vanilla was not hard.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Ebalina View Post
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    Private servers lol.
    Just drop it vanilla was not hard.
    I'm responding to the dude who replied to my post with private server videos. Whether vanilla was hard or not isn't the point, just showing that my post was factually accurate.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post

    Imagine thinking a screenshot proves anything
    You still haven't posted a screenshot showing me you're in the first/second best guild in classic.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalaator View Post
    Leoarthas is the more challenging one by far, I feel like every boss in BC was over decade ago (because it was!) but Leoarthas was yesterday. That's how STRONG the memory is!

    If you made a list of bosses that "remember like you did em' yesterday!" you'd be amused.

    1. Leoarthas (BC)
    2. Saphiron (Naxx 25 Wotlk)
    3. Baron (vanilla)
    4. Rag (Firelands, Cata)
    5. Vizier Zorlok (mop).

    I swear to god, (I one from each from each older expansion) I feel like I was doing all of those yesterday.

    For me the top 5 bosses I "remember like they were yesterday" are:

    1. Vancleef (DM - not a raid, but shh)

    2. Kael-Thas (all forms)

    3. Opera (BC / Kara)

    4. Nefarian (Cata)

    5. Garrosh (MoP -_-)





    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post
    I don't remember that, maybe you can help with that and find a post

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    Imagine thinking a screenshot proves anything or makes anything he's saying in this thread less garbage especially when he posts a screenshot with 2.1k rating in retail and calls himself the best player ever

    ???

    Bro...from what I've seen he said he was the best Holy Priest. Not the best player ever. You're totally misrepresenting him now.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitros14 View Post
    I'm responding to the dude who replied to my post with private server videos. Whether vanilla was hard or not isn't the point, just showing that my post was factually accurate.
    Exactly my point you are beating a dead horse.
    You cannot explain to people vanilla was not hard.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post


    Imagine thinking a screenshot proves anything or makes anything he's saying in this thread less garbage especially when he posts a screenshot with 2.1k rating in retail and calls himself the best player ever
    You called someones bluff, and they had a royal flush. You have a 3, a 9, a Dorito, and a moldy slice of cheese. It can be quite empowering to simply say "you know what mate, you clearly have a lot of experience at high level RGB, and a very impressive rating on a H-Priest, maybe i was wrong, my apologies, lets move on".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanaticDreamer View Post

    Bro...from what I've seen he said he was the best Holy Priest. Not the best player ever. You're totally misrepresenting him now.
    This is how i read it - the player said they were a very experienced and one of the best Hpriests in RGB, and part of a highly competitive pvp guild. They then went on to prove exactly that. Maybe i missed a post somewhere, but i dont see them calling themselves the best player at all.

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