The argument he makes is you basically have to stop less since paladins have mana and might need to drink. Where a warrior can keep pulling and pop a major cd if the healer isn't ready.
It really doesn't matter. If you're worried about speed clearing UD Strat that much, then that's on you. Prot paladins can tank the content just as well. Even a raid, given the right group makeup can do just fine on most things. Ffs, I tank in mail and leather as a warrior and am no where near defense cap and do just fine. Imagine being so angry at the idea of a class that has the tools to tank that you put the word "tank" in quotes.
Btw, I'm not upset at all. I said he was trying to prove that warriors are better at AOE tanking with every single buff. Paladins do fantastic AOE threat and is consistent without every buff in the game. Nobody would ever claim that paladins are the best single target threat even with all the buffs. They do however, need a lot of buffs to be able to generate better single target threat in a raid environment.
I don't know why everyone hates on BFA. PvE is faster in BFA (5-mans) and more challenging/longer in raids (Mythic).
PvP is a like a card game that lasts 1-2 minutes with a healer around, knowing when to trade CD's and force them and doesn't rely on consumables.
THe only problem I have with retail is the SAME problem I've had for nearly a decade:
GEAR DOES NOT MATTER.
All of my high end season 3 PvP gear will be obsolete the moment the next patch drops. The power creep between patches has always been too much. I prefer Classic's power creep. Gear that is good now will be decent til the end of the game. A guy in full tier 3 will smoke your boots if you're in tier 1/DM gear, but most players cannot obtain this, and I believe most people will be in a mix of tier 1/2 + early AQ pieces for the majority of Classic's first few years.
This is why I choose classic...gear is more difficult (difficult as in Time Commitment) to obtain... and it lasts.
People look at you weirdly if you aren't doing min-max fury warrior-like dps, not realising that the dps requirement to kill a boss is abysmally low. And if Dps is truly an issue there are some serious problems that go beyond the class.
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For dungeons? sorry that's false or very rarely happens, especially since dungeons are old now.
Mana pots, rune, is a requirement for most classes in raids, disqualifying a prot paladin because of it is weird...
Prot paladins don't need innervate that's some 2004 regurgitation of false information.
You can't tank Kel'Thuzad all the time and no reason to dual wield tank the Guardians. The encounter in general you'll bring a shield, is all I mean.
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The content absolutely fucking implodes if you optimize everything and use all consumables and buffs. Why even play classic at that point, except to pvp I guess? If I was going to play that way I'd just play retail at least the content is tuned for it.
Sure. I definitely wouldn't attempt to join your raid. But it all seems a bit boring to me? The content is known, it was all beaten 14 years ago and was in no way designed for that kind of optimization. You'll absolutely crush the shit out of it the very first day it's out and then be done. Why even play classic? Except to pvp.
That sort of competitive mindset is what retail mythic raiding is designed for. I did mythic raiding for years and it was fun but Legion and BFA upped the grind outside of raid way too much, I came back to classic to have a more relaxed experience where the content isn't designed around min-maxing the shit out of everything at all times.
lol. Some people have no idea how silly they sound.
We do it every week with a fury warrior tanking all the adds near the boss. When Garr is 20% we aoe everything down until adds are 20% then the warrior pulls all the adds to the wall and we kill them there. The fight takes us barely one minute. Actually last week the fight took us exactly 38 seconds.
Imagine using banish
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For raids. Are you saying a single innervate on a prot paladin mid boss is not needed?
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This strategy is not optimal? Why split damage between Garr and adds, without killing either? That's three target swaps and three wasted gcds, since you have two alternating damage profiles being executed twice.
No, you dont need banish, but banishing them allows us to four heal MC.
2 tanks, 4 heals, 34 dps.
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Not optimal... Jesus.
There's no target swapping. Garr gets aoed down with adds from 20% to 0 and then adds are pulled a bit to the side when they're 10% so they don't explode the raid
How about saving some face instead of saying the tactic used by the fastest mc clear in the world isn't optimal?
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On paper is optimal, and can be done with 40 serious players who will follow and execute all instructions, but the extra 10-15 second gain is hardly worth it for a run comprising of only 10-15 serious players.
40 players using our strat can still finish Garr in under 60 seconds, which is all that matters, and no one has to worry about their threat either since I'm duel wielding daggers (this again makes it easier for casuals).
We clear MC in 50-55 minutes. This is about 15 minutes slower than the top four guilds above us on Grobbulus (US). The top guild reportedly cleared MC in under 35 minutes two weeks ago. That being said it's a matter of "nickles and dimes."
35-55 minute clears hardly matter to raid. 55 minutes is good enough and far ahead of the crowd.
For the sake of ease of execution.
I tank Garr, we nuke him, we aoe adds on paladin right after. I pick up adds that leave banish after Garr dies (2-3) (no rebanish).
Very easy. No brain. No brain strats are best in Vanilla with 40 people unless you're top three guilds on server.
We have one warrior specced deep prot with FR gear for Baron and Rag and he pretty much afk's through the raid unless I die. Also you seem like a dick in real life. Good day.
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