View Poll Results: If you had to vote for U.S President right now who would you pick?

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  • Donald J Trump

    28 21.05%
  • Joe Biden

    10 7.52%
  • Bernie Sanders

    48 36.09%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    25 18.80%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    4 3.01%
  • Andrew Yang

    8 6.02%
  • Other (Write in Comment sections below.)

    10 7.52%
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  1. #161
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    They're also all for states' rights until some states start doing things they don't like.
    Like passing gay marriage, or limiting guns in any way. Like what they are doing in Virginia. You have right wing militias getting ready for civil war because they want to kill someone over their guns being limited in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Good thing nobody who even considers voting for Trump would give a shit about what Bernie did, or did not, say about Warren.
    You’re right that nobody who is on the fence cares about what Bernie said. But people on the fence are completely disillusioned with identity politics, so every time a democrat Kamalas another democrat and the whole debate suddenly becomes racism this sexist that, the Dems lose more swing voters.

    It is the reason the Democrats are struggling nationally right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrod View Post
    You’re right that nobody who is on the fence cares about what Bernie said. But people on the fence are completely disillusioned with identity politics, so every time a democrat Kamalas another democrat and the whole debate suddenly becomes racism this sexist that, the Dems lose more swing voters.

    It is the reason the Democrats are struggling nationally right now.
    Swing voters are included in those who consider to vote for Trump, and funny how everybody always ignores how nearly 50% of those who can vote, do not vote. Maybe, just maybe, it has to do with both parties pushing shitty economic policies? Nah, can't be, the dems are just not racist enough!


    And why would anybody who claims to hate IdPol switch to Trump over this, even if Bernie is the nominee? Who gives a fuck what the other nominees did or did not do.
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    US politics are a clown show at this point. Honestly I want no part in it and am leaving heavily toward abstaining like I did in 2016. That being said, if Trump can prove that he's not part of the deep state he claims to be fighting against between now and election day I'll consider voting for him.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Cockus Maximus View Post
    US politics are a clown show at this point. Honestly I want no part in it and am leaving heavily toward abstaining like I did in 2016. That being said, if Trump can prove that he's not part of the deep state he claims to be fighting against between now and election day I'll consider voting for him.
    You already said you are voting for Trump.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Swing voters are included in those who consider to vote for Trump, and funny how everybody always ignores how nearly 50% of those who can vote, do not vote. Maybe, just maybe, it has to do with both parties pushing shitty economic policies? Nah, can't be, the dems are just not racist enough!


    And why would anybody who claims to hate IdPol switch to Trump over this, even if Bernie is the nominee? Who gives a fuck what the other nominees did or did not do.
    It's about perception of the party. If the debates get mired in identity politics, especially pointless, unprovable accusations like "Bernie said xxx when we were alone" then people grow disillusioned. Similarly, Kamala dredging up debates from the 1970s on busing and slamming Biden with them... that was 40 freaking years ago. It's all just distraction, lame attempts by candidates who are struggling to win by finding some way to disqualify the person beating them.

    When you're saying why would anyone switch to Trump over Bernie - clearly there are people who are torn between the two. It's not like everyone has their mind made up yet. Anything that hurts the image of the democratic party hurts the party's ultimate nominee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockus Maximus View Post
    US politics are a clown show at this point. Honestly I want no part in it and am leaving heavily toward abstaining like I did in 2016. That being said, if Trump can prove that he's not part of the deep state he claims to be fighting against between now and election day I'll consider voting for him.
    I abstained in 2016. I'm a Never Trumper, but I live in a state where the Democrats are going to win handily and I left my vote blank as a protest. I thought the Democratic nominating process was terrible. Hillary has a history of being an extremely weak campaigner, and that's a real problem, but the Democratic establishment who was dead set on nominating her and realized that she was weak cleared the runway so other than Sanders (who was consistently derided by major news outlets as a fringe candidate) she was basically unchallenged. Pro tip: If you're concerned that your candidate can't win a primary battle because they're not very good at campaigning, then you should probably choose another candidate! It's important to actually win a nominating battle, that ensures you have someone who runs a good campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as vice president. I'm fine with it the other way around.
    God that's such a progressive wank of a ticket. Every time I see someone suggest that, I think "boy that guy must like to masturbate in public".

    Meanwhile back in reality, the question should be "what ticket creates the most problems for Trump and wins States Democrats can't lose".

    Does Warren help Bernie in Wisconsin? No. Michigan? No. Pennsylvannia? No. North Carolina? No. Florida? No. Arizona? No. Virgina? No. New Hampshire? No.

    But sure let's put her on the ticket? *fap* *fap* *fap*.

    The ideal candidate for VP in is Stacy Abrams for about 1000 different reasons. She would be far, far, far more valuable to Bernie, particularly with African American voters and Southern states like North Carolina, Georgia and Florida, then the Elizabeth Warren Progressive Masturbation Delusion would ever be.

    Bernie + Abrams is a good ticket.

    But Biden + Abrams is a terrifyingly good ticket that would create problems for Trump everywhere where he can't afford problems.


    But it's all academic. As it stands right now, Biden is poised to wipe out the Bernie/Warren split of progressives on Super Tuesday. And when Warren endorses the actual Democrat Joe Biden, the Bernie Bros will be shocked that she somehow decided to not side with the campaign that spend all primary season trying to demolish hers.

    And somehow the DNC will get blamed, despite making this so free form fucking Andrew Yang made the stage until this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockus Maximus View Post
    US politics are a clown show at this point. Honestly I want no part in it and am leaving heavily toward abstaining like I did in 2016. That being said, if Trump can prove that he's not part of the deep state he claims to be fighting against between now and election day I'll consider voting for him.
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  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Does Warren help Bernie in Michigan? No..
    Ummmm... Bernie beat Clinton in Michigan in the Democratic Primaries of 2016. He doesn't need help there.

    You're seriously underestimating both Bernie and Warren's appeal in middle America - and I imagine you are doing this because you're also caught up in "GYAAAHSOCIALIZM!".

    I don't see how Biden appeals to whom you're talking about, when we're talking about they guy they viewed helped the evil black man. >_<

    EDIT: For clarificaiton - Biden would be a negative when trying to get Michigan. Half the reason they went Dump is because they didn't want status-quo Democrat because Obama failed to help them in the Flint Water Crisis. He flew out there, pretended to drink the water, said everything was OK, and flew back. People HATED Obama for that in Michigan... that's why they voted for Bernie.

    And I'm not even taking into consideration the 2016 DNC debackle of some states having their Superdeligates ignore their states votes for Bernie and back Hillary. Doesn't matter if Hillary was still going to win, enough people saw that and got pissed - Michigan included.

    And now, here you are, saying that an Obama-Era, his own VP, is going to attract more Michigan voters over the guy they voted for OVER HILLARY to defeat Dumbass Dump!? o_O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    There is no such thing as the Deep State in the United States.
    Hope they start bringing witnesses to the Senate so you can finally take those blinders off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post

    2020 Election If you had to vote right now for U.S President who would you pick?

    Right now I am going with Biden, I am leaning Warren


    Follow up Question.

    Who do you think should be on your picks ticket.

    Biden/Harris
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    At this point? Not Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
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    Biden/Abrams would do really well now that I think about it. Dems REALLY need the black vote to show up like in Philly, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Minneapolis, she'd defiantly help there, plus Biden has been dominating the rest of the Dem field in terms of popularity in the black community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Do you love Modi that much?
    I like what she has to say in regards to Policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    God that's such a progressive wank of a ticket. Every time I see someone suggest that, I think "boy that guy must like to masturbate in public".
    I think you like the idea of masturbating. Just saying...
    Does Warren help Bernie in Wisconsin? No. Michigan? No. Pennsylvannia? No. North Carolina? No. Florida? No. Arizona? No. Virgina? No. New Hampshire? No.
    The idea is that she'll be part of Bernie's echo chamber, which if you're voting for Bernie you certainly want that echo to continue at the unfortunate moment that Bernie were to pass away.

    The ideal candidate for VP in is Stacy Abrams for about 1000 different reasons. She would be far, far, far more valuable to Bernie, particularly with African American voters and Southern states like North Carolina, Georgia and Florida, then the Elizabeth Warren Progressive Masturbation Delusion would ever be.

    Bernie + Abrams is a good ticket.
    Does Abrams have a lot of the same policies as Bernie?
    But Biden + Abrams is a terrifyingly good ticket that would create problems for Trump everywhere where he can't afford problems.
    Trump isn't a concern to me. As much as people would like to believe that he had Putin dupe people into voting for him, that's not how I see it. Trump won because Democrat voters really wanted Bernie and his policies. If we get Bernie then we'll want even more Bernie, like Elizabeth Warren. Biden is a joke, and I have no idea who Abrams is. If Abrams supports Bernie's policies and wants to push his ideology even further then sure, but otherwise I'd want Bernie+Warren.
    But it's all academic. As it stands right now, Biden is poised to wipe out the Bernie/Warren split of progressives on Super Tuesday. And when Warren endorses the actual Democrat Joe Biden, the Bernie Bros will be shocked that she somehow decided to not side with the campaign that spend all primary season trying to demolish hers.
    Poised to do what? Biden is the Democrats centralist wet dream, and the only reason he'd have a chance at winning is because the Bernie/Warren voters are split. If Biden wins he won't get the Bernie Bros like Hillary, and could lose. Bernie endorsed Hillary and look how that worked out for her?

    I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't care if Bernie or Warren wins as long it's one of them. If Joe Biden wins then I'm not voting for him and you idiots can enjoy another 4 years of Trumps stupidity, just as it did with Hillary 4 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockus Maximus View Post
    Hope they start bringing witnesses to the Senate so you can finally take those blinders off.
    What witnesses would you like to see? That are pertinent to the investigation? So, that leaves out Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, since they have nothing to do with the laws that Trump broke. Especially since they were cleared of wrongdoing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrod View Post
    You’re right that nobody who is on the fence cares about what Bernie said. But people on the fence are completely disillusioned with identity politics, so every time a democrat Kamalas another democrat and the whole debate suddenly becomes racism this sexist that, the Dems lose more swing voters.

    It is the reason the Democrats are struggling nationally right now.
    The swing voters are sick of people crying about immigration all the time non-stop, and just in general being heinous and corrupt people, it's why Republicans lost bigly in 2018 and will lose way more seats in 2020.

    Surprise surprise, swing voters don't really tend to swing both ways that much, they tend to have things that grind their gears and things that don't, and most will vote one way their entire life, despite identifying as independent.

    Also, lest we forget, independents by and large support Trump impeachment and are leaning heavily left right now, which is why most conservative "big talk" where they pretend to be hot shit are saying that the liberals will lose "because the base is becoming enraged and will show up in huge numbers" now that they've found out they've lost interest of the independents.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    You realize that almost everything a president does is policy. Every time Trump has made any decision then that's a part of his policy.
    That would imply that he has a clear plan on what he's going to do. "Whatever I want lol" scribbled onto a used napkin doesn't count as a policy.
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