2020 Election If you had to vote right now for U.S President who would you pick?

[Mormolyce]

Well if I lived in the US I'd vote for a moderate right wing candidate like Bernie Sanders.

Jokes aside, the only voting I'd do in the US is with my feet.

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I don't need to know what that is to discuss issues in usa. Should I tell americans they can't discuss something about EU or sweden because they don't know something?

Are you kidding? That's the number one hot button issue in US politics for like 50 years running. It's the centerpoint around which their entire partisan axis turns. You literally know nothing about US politics if you don't know about Roe v. Wade.

And that's fine, you don't have to know about US politics. It's smelly stinky doo-doo.

[lockybalboa]

So, you want to go from Democratic socialist to Neo-Fascist? What the actual fuck?

That's the problem with you and so many Americans you see. Not everything is just black and white you know. You need to stop being so fixated with "ideologies" and compare to the two of them with the rest of them jokers. They are hardly ideal but If i have to pick i will pick them over the rest of the clowns

[Orbitus]

That's the problem with you and so many Americans you see. Not everything is just black and white you know. You need to stop being so fixated with "ideologies" and compare to the two of them with the rest of them jokers. They are hardly ideal but If i have to pick i will pick them over the rest of the clowns

Sorry, no, you don't go from center left to extreme right, from a guy that wants to treat everyone equally, to a fucker that is locking up legal asylum seekers, packing them up like sardines.

Trump and Bernie don't have ANYTHING in common.

[lockybalboa]

Sorry, no, you don't go from center left to extreme right, from a guy that wants to treat everyone equally, to a fucker that is locking up legal asylum seekers, packing them up like sardines.

Trump and Bernie don't have ANYTHING in common.

In Bernie we have a candidate with great character even though he is a bit too idealistic. Trump is hardly a saint but at least we have a pro-american president who refuse to sell-out like the rest of the phonies. The rest are just flip-flopping opportunists with no conviction.

[Orbitus]

In Bernie we have a candidate with great character even though he is a bit too idealistic. Trump is hardly a saint but at least we have a pro-american president who refuse to sell-out like the rest of the phonies. The rest are just flip-flopping opportunists with no conviction.

Pro-American? Are you fucking high? He has been doing everything to appease Russia and Saudi Arabia. He is selling the country to the highest bidder.

[Shadowferal]

Just look at that so-called "trade deal" with China...

It's typical. Trump makes a deal and gets nothing out of it except to brag how he fucked up the US.

[Orbitus]

That’s because Warren...

I’m searching for the right word... I feel like there should be a word for the thing that Democrats do when they are struggling so they dump a bunch of identity politics on their rivals and weaken the whole party. Maybe Kamala?

So back on topic:

Trump’s odds at an all time high because Warren just Kamalaed Bernie.

Who are you? And you actually think Warren did anything to Bernie's numbers? Good luck.

[lockybalboa]

Pro-American? Are you fucking high? He has been doing everything to appease Russia and Saudi Arabia. He is selling the country to the highest bidder.

Compared to the old days? When we did free labor? Which'd you prefer? I'm not saying I like his style but we've still had it better compared to the past.

[Dontrike]

Compared to the old days? When we did free labor? Which'd you prefer? I'm not saying I like his style but we've still had it better compared to the past.

You're kidding yourself if you think Trump is pro America, he's only pro Trump.

[lockybalboa]

This is complete bullshit. Trump didn’t abolish slavery and has done more to support wealth inequality than anything else. What’s your point? That it’s not 1820?

I'm talking about the Saudi situation

[Orbitus]

Compared to the old days? When we did free labor? Which'd you prefer? I'm not saying I like his style but we've still had it better compared to the past.

Wait, what does this have to fucking do with what you said? And why did you respond to me with it? You do know the party that did get rid of free labor and slave wages was the liberals right?

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I'm talking about the Saudi situation

Trump ABSOLUTELY is in bed with them. He did everything he possibly could, to ignore the situation with Kashoggi, while the Saudis were renting whole floors in his hotels and not using any of the rooms so he could get hundreds of thousands of dollars from them for nothing.

[lockybalboa]

Wait, what does this have to fucking do with what you said? And why did you respond to me with it? You do know the party that did get rid of free labor and slave wages was the liberals right?

You were the one that kept replying to my posts ffs. I'm talking about the Saudi situation that you referred to. Trump wasn't the one that started stationing troops in Saudi. And while I don't like the idea of the troops being treated as mercenaries but at least we're getting paid for it now. I'd preferred if he withdrew them totally.

[Orbitus]

Who are you?

Someone that has been here for a while, dunking on right wingers that are wrong. Like you.

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You were the one that kept replying to my posts ffs. I'm talking about the Saudi situation that you referred to. Trump wasn't the one that started stationing troops in Saudi. And while I don't like the idea of the troops being treated as mercenaries but at least we're getting paid for it now. I'd preferred if he withdrew them totally.

That has nothing to do with what I was saying. Trump ABSOLUTELY is beholden to them. It has nothing to do with our troops and the government, but Trump is giving them favors, governmental favors, for personal cash to him. Like renting out whole floors in his hotels to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, even millions. Same with them buying floors in Trump Tower, and whatnot. Same thing is happening with the Russians. But they underwrote his loans with Deutsche Bank for over a couple BILLION dollars. Since he can't get loans in the US anymore because he doesn't pay them back.

[Fugus]

They're both good salesmen.

Trump says, "Build a wall! Mexico will pay!"

Bernie says, "Free college! Rich people will pay!"

Hillary (who I know is no longer a factor, but she's the best example of this):

"I have a plan for free college if you earn under 85k a year and if you work for 10 hours a week and some of it will be loans but you only have to pay back a percentage based on your income and only in states that match federal funding and oh my god why is no one listening to me."

The simple message sells. No one really expects those proposals to get carried out, it's about very clearly signaling whose side you are on.

One major difference, Bernie had in depth details on how his stuff worked and they were thought out and effective.

Taxing all income as income above $250,000 per year, regardless of source, to close the loopholes from the top was a good one.

And the cost of College equaled out to like a third of what we just gave the military without batting an eye.

[lockybalboa]

Even more bullshit. Our military isn’t a group hired mercenaries. Get your head out of your ass.

They were always scapegoats but we've actually got something out of it now. Ugly way to put it, but yeah.

[Fugus]

When I say that no one expects those proposals to get carried out, I mean exactly as written. The point of campaign promises is to show what they will fight for in a simple way. Again, picking on Hillary because I admittedly haven't read the proposals from this year's candidates: she got a lot of credit for these extremely detailed well thought out plans on her website, when many of them were just as ludicrous as anything Sanders proposes. She proposed building 500 million solar panels. By 2020. At a cost of 300 billion. She also planned to spend another 300 billion on infrastructure. Universal pre school for 4 year olds. Massive subsidies to childcare. Etc.

Nobody really cared about those plans or looked at them too closely because there were so many and they were all milquetoast, lacking real punch because they came with a lot of caveats. People only want to hear 1 or 2 strong, consistent messages. Hillary's message was "I'm prepared and I have lots of plans for everything" and that doesn't work.

If you read up on Trump's history, he always focused on a short simple consistent message. Bernie does the same and it's what you need to do to be successful.

Well, when it came to Clinton, you also had her actions and what the DNC doing with Sanders hanging over her head and the media blackout as well. Those who actually take the time to look into the proposals also were the ones to take the time to look into their actions so the only ones left where those who just looked at slogans.

And lets face it "Stronger together" is a piss poor one.

And when it comes to Sanders proposals, the ones I saw weren't ludicrous at all. Healthcare, taxation, college, all of them were pretty good.

With the ones you mentioned on here. 300 billion in Solar Panels which is a growing industry we want and really need to be at the forefront of for multiple reasons is a great investment. Hell, we just gave over 100 billion to the military who didn't even need it. And we need more than 300 billion on infrastructure and we need it like yesterday with how things are going. We also need massive subsidies for childcare as well with the only alternative to that being going back to living wages high enough to support a family on one income again which they don't want to do either.

[Kellhound]

Well, my vote doesn't matter in this state, so I would vote like I always do, for myself.

[Fugus]

Ludicrous is probably the wrong word to describe them. What I mean is they were hugely ambitious liberal ideas, but no one actually knew them because her campaign's messaging was terrible and she purposely downplayed them in order to appear as the less liberal candidate. Very, very few people knew about the infrastructure and solar panels plans (also the solar panels plan was pretty silly, far more panels than makes sense in that short of a time period).

Ah, with Medicare for all or the sorts, they aren't actually considered liberal outside of the US and more considered common sense and a no brainer. But I understand your point.

With Clinton, she put herself in a no win on that as her slogan was crap so no way winning on that while the policies would only be seen by those who also paid attention to her actions which killed her from that end. But yeah, I understand you on that one completely.

[mvaliz]

I don't need to know what that is to discuss issues in usa. Should I tell americans they can't discuss something about EU or sweden because they don't know something?

If it's an integral part of a controversial subject of said politics, yes - obviously you should! =/

[Flarelaine]

*shrugs*
Anyone that votes for Trump probably doesn't care about Roe V Wade anyway.

Or votes Trump because they care about it.