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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Okay but that's why we'll be transitioning to non-fossil fuel energies over the next century.
    I only hope we'll be transitioning to nuclear fusion power instead of power of tree hugging

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    If it isn't happening now when it needs to, it won't happen later. Because too many will still be claiming climate change isn't happening.

    Rural America says we're fucked

    Fallout from the trade war has hit America’s farms hard, with bankruptcies soaring nationally in September to their highest level since 2011, even as the stock market has punched higher on optimism about a limited U.S.-China trade pact, including on Friday when stocks extended a push into record territory and the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, -0.46% briefly topped a 29,000 milestone.

    But severe weather has compounded problems in agriculture-heavy parts of the Fed’s Ninth District, which covers Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, northwestern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, including an early frost that has made it difficult to gauge 2019 crop yields.

    “We haven’t been able to get a good number,” Ford said of the harvest, due to the frost and a propane shortage that meant “a lot didn’t get out of the field.”
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    If it isn't happening now when it needs to, it won't happen later. Because too many will still be claiming climate change isn't happening.

    Rural America says we're fucked
    Imagine desperately trying to fit into 'non-existent' climate change agenda an article then doesn't even have single word about climate in it. Because of such poor attempts people turn their backs on environmentalists. The article is about lack of funding and trade wars hurting farmer's businesses, not about climate change fucking them up

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    What did our ancestors do 125k years ago to stop and then revert the ultra rapid heating up of the planet? Did they abandon fossil fuels and go solar?
    Can we get some scientists on this already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenho View Post
    What did our ancestors do 125k years ago to stop and then revert the ultra rapid heating up of the planet? Did they abandon fossil fuels and go solar?
    Can we get some scientists on this already?
    That "ultra rapid heating up" was occurring somewhere around 20x slower than current warming is already at, today. This is also occurring at the already-warm peak of an interglacial period, whereas the warming from a glacial period to an interglacial starts off at the coldest point in the cycle.

    Comparing the two as if there's similar is pretty fundamentally dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    I only hope we'll be transitioning to nuclear fusion power instead of power of tree hugging
    Not going to happen.

    There are no commercially viable fusion reactor and in the current political climate no communities will allow one of these to be built within 100 miles of them.

    The majority of power plants that are being built right now are next gen natural gas power plants. The kind that can be turned on and off with a flick of a switch. The only type of power plants that can play nice with solar and wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/08/us/gl...rnd/index.html


    But....But.....climate change. How could they be wrong? It's science.
    I also hate science and being an informed and educated person.

    Witchcraft and Chinese hoaxes the lot of them am I right?!?!




    Pathetic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    natural gas power plants. The kind that can be turned on and off with a flick of a switch
    Imagine these people calling themselves informed and educated just because they've been taught hugging trees is good

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    In your face Greta!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/08/us/gl...rnd/index.html


    But....But.....climate change. How could they be wrong? It's science.
    Science adjusts to new discoveries. Crazy, right? Imagine it was like the stubborn religion you lot claim it to be... oh wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Wrong...try again.
    According to NASA (and other sources) the Antarctic is growing faster than it is shrinking. This information is probably (more than likely ) coming from satellite data.

    Watermelon (pink/red) snow in the Artic region has a tremendous impact on melting as well. This was documented by Aristotle, a little over 2300 years ago. But wasn’t scientifically identified as algae until the early 1800’s, about 200 year ago. Surely this algae is contributing somewhat to the melt of the artic ice since it absorbs solar heat/radiation.
    Last edited by ADA203; 2020-01-11 at 12:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Right the other choice is geo-engineering, which is probably the best solution.



    Of course climate change can be stopped but the soonest that it could be stopped is in maybe a hundred or a couple hundred years. Because even after we invent superior alternatives to fossil fuels, it will still take quite some time for the CO2 to leave the atmosphere. That is if people even want to return to a pre-industrial CO2 PPM at that point. Future people probably won't even want to go back to the older historical values.
    It can be stopped right now, but again, its becease it affects the capitalist class, which is somehow a big problem top you.
    We can't wait a few decades, or 100s of years like you want, you have no solutions.
    Conservatism and its off-shoots are the most rotten idealogies to ever exist in human history.
    Liberalism = right-wing.
    Anarcho-communism =/ Stalinism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Imagine desperately trying to fit into 'non-existent' climate change agenda an article then doesn't even have single word about climate in it. Because of such poor attempts people turn their backs on environmentalists. The article is about lack of funding and trade wars hurting farmer's businesses, not about climate change fucking them up
    "But severe weather has compounded problems in agriculture-heavy parts of the Fed’s Ninth District, which covers Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, northwestern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, including an early frost that has made it difficult to gauge 2019 crop yields."

    Reading is hard.

    PS Fusion power could be decades away and the same group of idiots denying climate change will fight against fusion power because it hurts their short term profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    I saw a guy bring a snowball into Congress, so clearly there's no such thing as climate change.

    LOL.
    He had a janitor go into the walk in freezers in the cafeteria and scrape some ice/frost off the walls and bring it to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smityx View Post
    He had a janitor go into the walk in freezers in the cafeteria and scrape some ice/frost off the walls and bring it to him.
    Now that's a guy with a keen interest in the scientific method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Because there's no other choice other than to adapt to environmental changes. We can always dream of a utopia where the environment is sustainable, but in reality our environment and way of life is never sustainable. It always requires constant changes and improvements based on new and unpredictable problems.
    Should we have adapted to the environment when our industry was causing acid rain? No, we enacted policy to reduce the emissions and impact on the environment we live in.

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    Isn't what the republican are pushing thou? That they're lies have the same merit that the truth base on facts found in science? Because that's the whole DeVos shtick right there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    That isn't an argument at all.

    It's made-up nonsense by people who think their uninformed and unfounded assumptions should be given equal consideration to the actual scientific analysis and data.



    Not "the scientific community". Some particular scientists. With the caveats of "with current technology and costs". Which didn't turn out to hold true, as new technologies provided new options.

    And that technological bump just changes where the tipping point is. Fossil fuels are a limited resource. They take millions of years to produce, and decades to exploit and destroy. That's not sustainable, obviously.



    Yeah, this is just completely wrong, and demonstrates that you likely haven't ever looked at any scientific reports on climate change. Here's the most comprehensive in recent history, so you can catch up with the absolute basics; https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/

    Literally every claim you made there is false.



    And those people are knee-jerking based on a lack of comprehension, and a choice to remain willfully ignorant.

    That's not something to be applauding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smityx View Post
    He had a janitor go into the walk in freezers in the cafeteria and scrape some ice/frost off the walls and bring it to him.
    LOL I didn't know about that part.
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    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wunksta View Post
    Should we have adapted to the environment when our industry was causing acid rain? No, we enacted policy to reduce the emissions and impact on the environment we live in.
    Mmm yeah you mean relocating industry to china, that helped a lot, but can you do this trick again with power plants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Because of such poor attempts people turn their backs on environmentalists.
    Also due to fake news spread by dipshits, shills and paid trolls.

    How's the Glavset going these days?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tojara View Post
    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

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