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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathknightish View Post
    You make it sound like people can't succeed and get rich in countries with worker protections. Not the case at all. Employers aren't being punished as much as the state is making sure that everybody who works at least get to live with dignity.
    Of course they can, I never said otherwise. Employers are being forced against their will to do things they otherwise would not want to do. That's a restriction of the free markets, and an attempt to stifle capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    And stilll not get a living wage because capitalists like you exploit the working force. Who do you think is going to do the jobs you consider beneath yourself if everybody 'improved themselves'? And what time are they going to use that if they have to work multiple shitty jobs with long commutes?
    So, don't shop at any of those companies that refuse to pay a "living wage."

    Stop having the government do things for you.

    There will always be people who are too lazy and/or complacent to improve their standing in life.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Of course they can, I never said otherwise. Employers are being forced against their will to do things they otherwise would not want to do. That's a restriction of the free markets, and an attempt to stifle capitalism.
    We are forced to do stuff we don't necessarily want all the time, for the benefit of society as a whole. That's why we have laws. So that the strong can't prey on the weak.

    It's true that the rich have it much better in the U.S than in Europe, but it's also true that the poor and the uneducated have it vastly better in Europe compared to the U.S. Because we as a society have decided that it's better if even the weakest get to live lives with dignity.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Well, I support capitalism... that's why.

    Unlike you, I support employers, employees, and consumers.
    Indeed I see pure capitalism akin to cancer, so we will never come to an understanding.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathknightish View Post
    We are forced to do stuff we don't necessarily want all the time, for the benefit of society as a whole. That's why we have laws. So that the strong can't prey on the weak.

    It's true that the rich have it much better in the U.S than in Europe, but it's also true that the poor and the uneducated have it vastly better in Europe compared to the U.S. Because we as a society have decided that it's better if even the weakest get to live lives with dignity.
    Great, I oppose that bullshit, as well.

    This is no different than feeling justified in taxing the shit out of the wealthy, or placing massive tariffs on goods. In the end, you want other people to suffer, and pay for the shit you want to be given to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Indeed I see pure capitalism akin to cancer, so we will never come to an understanding.
    No, we won't agree. I support capitalism and liberty, and you do not. I never expected to change your mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Great, I oppose that bullshit, as well.

    This is no different than feeling justified in taxing the shit out of the wealthy, or placing massive tariffs on goods. In the end, you want other people to suffer, and pay for the shit you want to be given to you.

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    No, we won't agree. I support capitalism and liberty, and you do not. I never expected to change your mind.
    "suffer". A rich person not getting 2k extra a month suffers much less than a poor person not getting 200 extra. The difference is that maybe the rich dude has to save up one extra month for that car, while the poor person maybe can't afford food that day. The rich person can look up his finances, how he's spending his money, while the poor person can't.

    Also, EVERYBODY pays taxes, not just the rich. The difference is that the underclass can't afford to give away as much of their wealth as a rich person can. That's why they tax less.
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  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathknightish View Post
    "suffer". A rich person not getting 2k extra a month suffers much less than a poor person not getting 200 extra. The difference is that maybe the rich dude has to save up one extra month for that car, while the poor person maybe can't afford food that day. The rich person can look up his finances, how he's spending his money, while the poor person can't.

    Also, EVERYBODY pays taxes, not just the rich.
    Yes, everybody does pay taxes... some people simply pay a lot less. Almost half the United States pays not federal income taxes. People want to shift that burden even more onto the shoulders of those earning more.

    Socialism is inherently punitive. No thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Yes, everybody does pay taxes... some people simply pay a lot less. Almost half the United States pays not federal income taxes. People want to shift that burden even more onto the shoulders of those earning more.

    Socialism is inherently punitive. No thanks.
    Good thing we don't have any socialist country in western Europe, then. Closest we get are the social democratic countries in Scandinavia, where social democracy is still built on capitalism and free markets. Just not as ultracapitalist as the U.S.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathknightish View Post
    Good thing we don't have any socialist country in western Europe, then. Closest we get are the social democratic countries in Scandinavia, where social democracy is still built on capitalism. Just not as ultracapitalist as the U.S.
    The United States isn't ultra-capitalist, not by a long shot.

    Enjoy your socialism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by johnrolla View Post
    These EU socialists on this website make me laugh. They are too busy raising the min wage while 50% of their population is out of work.

    Their economies will soon be under water.
    And the real unemployment number for the US is 47%. /s
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathknightish View Post
    We are forced to do stuff we don't necessarily want all the time, for the benefit of society as a whole. That's why we have laws. So that the strong can't prey on the weak.
    This is the thing Machismo can not understand. It doesn't even compute for him, he has no clue what society means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    The United States isn't ultra-capitalist, not by a long shot.

    Enjoy your socialism.
    Oh, the good ol' 'its not true capitalism!'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    This is the thing Machismo can not understand. It doesn't even compute for him, he has no clue what society means.
    He understands it, he is just okay with the majority living in terrible conditions if it means the few billionares can make some extra millions.
    Conservatism and its off-shoots are the most rotten idealogies to ever exist in human history.
    Liberalism = right-wing.
    Anarcho-communism =/ Stalinism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnrolla View Post
    thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669

    Unemployment rate at 3.5%. Move along your worthless European socialist.
    Unemployment doesn't matter when people are working multiple jobs to survive, QED.
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  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Unemployment doesn't matter when people are working multiple jobs to survive, QED.
    Why do you even answer this sock puppet account? Just report and move on.
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  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Oh, the good ol' 'its not true capitalism!'.

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    He understands it, he is just okay with the majority living in terrible conditions if it means the few billionares can make some extra millions.
    It's not, they've been pushing more socialistic for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    This is the thing Machismo can not understand. It doesn't even compute for him, he has no clue what society means.
    I understand it just fine, I simply oppose many aspects of it. Socialism to me is not the problem, it's the use of force to enact it which I take umbrage with. I think voluntary socialism would be great for those who wish to partake.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    It's not, they've been pushing more socialistic for decades.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    This here is the problem, thinking that taxing the shit out of other people is acceptable. 40% is too much, as is 20%.

    Most Americans have no clue how much they actually pay in taxes. At best, they tend to keep track of their state and federal income taxes. They don't think of gas taxes, property taxes, local taxes, sales tax, and all the little taxes that go into production, rental agreements, lease agreements, hotel taxes, tickets for venues, and all the others.

    So, the average American would need to pay well over $12k per year, just for the federal government. That means a family of five, would be pushing more than $60k to keep up with out federal spending. How much is your household paying per year, just for federal income taxes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    This here is the problem, thinking that taxing the shit out of other people is acceptable. 40% is too much, as is 20%.

    Most Americans have no clue how much they actually pay in taxes. At best, they tend to keep track of their state and federal income taxes. They don't think of gas taxes, property taxes, local taxes, sales tax, and all the little taxes that go into production, rental agreements, lease agreements, hotel taxes, tickets for venues, and all the others.

    So, the average American would need to pay well over $12k per year, just for the federal government. That means a family of five, would be pushing more than $60k to keep up with out federal spending. How much is your household paying per year, just for federal income taxes?
    Wow that's some bullshit napkin math.

    Thank god we have progressive taxation structures to ensure people don't pay more than they can afford in taxes.
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  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Wow that's some bullshit napkin math.

    Thank god we have progressive taxation structures to ensure people don't pay more than they can afford in taxes.
    What is the federal budget this year? How many people in the United States?

    Higher taxes are great, so long as someone else is paying for them. Man, you guys love spending other people's money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    What is the federal budget this year? How many people in the United States?

    Higher taxes are great, so long as someone else is paying for them. Man, you guys love spending other people's money.
    Amusing you call it "other people's money" when the stagnation of wages versus productivity gains mean it is, in fact, very much the public's money.

    "Taxation is theft" is the flat earth of political science and we won't be entertaining it as serious, thanks.
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  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Turnstipal View Post
    How much tax are you paying? (I suspect it isn't very much).
    I file jointly with my wife, and we paid about $45k in federal withholding, and another $37k for my business. That's not including all the Social Security and Medicare deductions for us, as well as my employees.

    Now, your turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Amusing you call it "other people's money" when the stagnation of wages versus productivity gains mean it is, in fact, very much the public's money.

    "Taxation is theft" is the flat earth of political science and we won't be entertaining it as serious, thanks.
    Nope, it's someone else's money. The bottom line is that you people have no problem taking other people's money, but the vast majority of you are not putting in the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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