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  1. #481
    We know they fired 800 people and the QA department was heavily impacted. Then 8.3 came out as the buggiest patch since.... I actually can't remember another patch this bad, off the top of my head.

    We know that major content patches lead to a rush of returning players, and we know that population drops back down again. We know that expansion releases similarly lead to a huge player spike. There is a definitive positive correlation between new content and population. That said, it's fair to say that players quit the game for many reasons, and lack of content is just one of those reasons.

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    We know they fired 800 people and the QA department was heavily impacted. Then 8.3 came out as the buggiest patch since.... I actually can't remember another patch this bad, off the top of my head.

    We know that major content patches lead to a rush of returning players, and we know that population drops back down again. We know that expansion releases similarly lead to a huge player spike. There is a definitive positive correlation between new content and population. That said, it's fair to say that players quit the game for many reasons, and lack of content is just one of those reasons.
    From the study's quote.

    Blizzard CEO first blamed the "churn" (players leaving) for the lack of new patches.
    And on patch 5.0 they tried patches every 3 months...and 2.5 MILLION players still left...
    So the study arrived to the conclusion that "lack of content" is not to blame...or is the biggest factor.
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  3. #483
    What that proved was feeding content to players in small chunks gated by time was ineffective at improving retention. Large patches are a better strategy.

  4. #484
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    We know they fired 800 people and the QA department was heavily impacted. Then 8.3 came out as the buggiest patch since.... I actually can't remember another patch this bad, off the top of my head.

    We know that major content patches lead to a rush of returning players, and we know that population drops back down again. We know that expansion releases similarly lead to a huge player spike. There is a definitive positive correlation between new content and population. That said, it's fair to say that players quit the game for many reasons, and lack of content is just one of those reasons.
    the 800 were fired almost a year ago my dude... that has nothing to do with 8.3
    if they were to effect anything it woulda been 8.2 and 8.2.5
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    Azerite is absolutely RNG you are right. You have no idea what traits will be on that piece you got from a random source until you roll it. I've literally had a Warfront piece that had the "opposite faction" passive and no passive/proc for my spec but it did for the other 2.

  5. #485
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    the 800 were fired almost a year ago my dude... that has nothing to do with 8.3
    if they were to effect anything it woulda been 8.2 and 8.2.5
    No. They had X people, now they have X - 800 people. It affected everything in development during and after that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    No. They had X people, now they have X - 800 people. It affected everything in development during and after that period.
    I blame this on the 600 people mike morhaime fired back in 2012, at that effected everything then and after.
    mike morhaime is the worst.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Azerite is absolutely RNG you are right. You have no idea what traits will be on that piece you got from a random source until you roll it. I've literally had a Warfront piece that had the "opposite faction" passive and no passive/proc for my spec but it did for the other 2.

  7. #487
    I blame this on china

  8. #488
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    If Shadowlands arrives in August-September, that's 7 or 8 months of 8.3 - whether or not that's acceptable depends on how fun the 8.3 stuff is over the long haul.

    Though, I suppose this puts the lid on any extra allied races, at least for this expansion.
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  9. #489
    So now we're acting like lack of one .5 patch (compared to Legion, because other expacs didn't share Legion/BfA patch structure) is suddenly "massive cut" and "abandoning expansion"?

    Blizzard, just start the alpha, we are reaching new low every week on this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    AHAHAHAHA surprise surprise, no 8.3.5. I find this quite hilarious honestly, but it's expected. Shadowlands needs so much work to be released this year that this is really no surprise.
    Dude, you really want to act triumphant after you done like bazyllion posts and threads that 8.3 won't be a thing and Azshara will be last boss? I mean, have your fun, but your kinda making clown of yourself, at least in my eyes.

    It's like saying "tomorrow will be shitty" every day, and when eventually it is, saying - "HA! TOLD YA!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nize View Post
    They're definitely writing off BFA now. It does suck for the next 10 months, but it only means great things for Shadowlands. Blizz wrote off WoD to make Legion better
    they also left MoP for over a year and what u got was WoD
    so that doesn't work either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    So now we're acting like lack of one .5 patch (compared to Legion, because other expacs didn't share Legion/BfA patch structure) is suddenly "massive cut" and "abandoning expansion"?

    Blizzard, just start the alpha, we are reaching new low every week on this forum.
    it may sound ironic but i feel that they are rushing Shadowlands and i don't like that
    exp that had more develop time still ended crap with lot of cut like WoD and BFA (also in BFA, they did say the disaster PR statement that they were not working as hard as legion on it or something similar)
    MoP had over a year and we still got WoD, which probably crumbled under too much ambition, so by all means give shadowlands even 2 years of development, just not another WoD or BFA quality of exps
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewatson View Post
    "Over 9000" Spam posts yes. everyone can have even 100k...
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  12. #492
    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    it may sound ironic but i feel that they are rushing Shadowlands and i don't like that
    exp that had more develop time still ended crap with lot of cut like WoD and BFA (also in BFA, they did say the disaster PR statement that they were not working as hard as legion on it or something similar)
    MoP had over a year and we still got WoD, which probably crumbled under too much ambition, so by all means give shadowlands even 2 years of development, just not another WoD or BFA quality of exps
    To know if they are rushing Shadowlands or not, we need at least two dates: start of Alpha and release. We don't have neither, so I find pointless even discussing that right now.

    If they release Alpha February-March, I will be optimistic, since SL launch is clearly Fall 2020 - most likely October or November.

    And I never heard devs saying they are not working as hard as in Legion. Must have been away for week or something and miss drama #4325. BfA is worse expac than Legion, but I would'nt say it's lower effort - 90% problems are consquence of rushed launch. I don't think even Azerite would be a problem if they had time to redesign all specs for BfA.

  13. #493
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    So now we're acting like lack of one .5 patch (compared to Legion, because other expacs didn't share Legion/BfA patch structure) is suddenly "massive cut" and "abandoning expansion"?
    Not 8.3.5 alone; 8.3 itself is severely low effort. No dungeons, no new zones, just a raid and a bunch of daily quests in old zones. And it's the buggiest patch in recent memory.

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    Well thank god we won't see anymore BfA story.

    Now we just have to worry about the no doubt worse Shadowlands story.

  15. #495
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    You are not making a logical argument. You need to support it with, well, anything at all.

    My feeling is they aren't making 8.3.5 because they're short on resources and need to focus on Shadowlands.
    Exactly this, it is pretty obvious they want Shadowlands to not suck like BfA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    Not 8.3.5 alone; 8.3 itself is severely low effort. No dungeons, no new zones, just a raid and a bunch of daily quests in old zones. And it's the buggiest patch in recent memory.
    Yep because Activision fired all their quality assurance workers last year, they literally have no one to internally test the game anymore.
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  16. #496
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    From the study's quote.

    Blizzard CEO first blamed the "churn" (players leaving) for the lack of new patches.
    And on patch 5.0 they tried patches every 3 months...and 2.5 MILLION players still left...
    So the study arrived to the conclusion that "lack of content" is not to blame...or is the biggest factor.
    That evidence is fundamentally flawed. The quality of content is just as important as the quantity. Adding a selfie patch every 3 months and failing to retain players doesn't prove anything.
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  17. #497
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    Not 8.3.5 alone; 8.3 itself is severely low effort. No dungeons, no new zones, just a raid and a bunch of daily quests in old zones. And it's the buggiest patch in recent memory.
    While I agree with you, I not sure I really blame them either. Argus and Nazjatar weren't exactly well received so I am not surprised Ny'alotha lacks its own unique zone.

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    Makes sense to stop wasting resources on this dumpster fire as soon as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    Not 8.3.5 alone; 8.3 itself is severely low effort. No dungeons, no new zones, just a raid and a bunch of daily quests in old zones. And it's the buggiest patch in recent memory.
    I don't know how even discuss with people like you. First you overblown stuff out of proportion (8.3 most bugged patch in history - sure buddy), then you "forgot" to mention like half of content (2 instanced scenarios with 5 bosses each, lot of narrative content compared to usual patch, new races), new gearing system, that "bunch of dailies" is filling two big zones with daily content (which is nothing special, as always world stuff is filler content) and "just raid" is biggest we had in like 5 years.

    This patch easily could give 4-5 months of casual playing. Of course only if don't restrict yourself to running around two zones and killing some tentacle mobs. After that for remaining time until SL I'll just take long break, which is healthy for game like WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonDays View Post
    Vague statement with nothing to back it up. Nice.
    Nothign vague about it.I brought facts.

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