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    [8.3 Spoiler] Wrathion and the broken shore

    So I watched the cinematic and there is something I really don't get: Why is Anduin claiming the death of his father was because of Wrathion?
    Like yeah, I get that he freed Garrosh, that lead to WoD and the AU Guldan killed Varian on the Broken Shore, but this accusation is just so extremely farfetched. It implies that Wrathion had much more influence in Legion than he actually had and even if Anduin is a little bit influenced by Nzoth, the void or whatever, it does not make any sense to blame Wrathion. With the same logik he could blame Jaina for not intervening at the broken shore (or for the cleansing of Dalaran, which also in some way lead to the broken shore if you really want to find a connection) or Khadgar for the same reason. He could blame his Tauren buddy for retreating on the broken shore or Genn for not protecting his father etc.
    Its not like Wrathion can see into the future and is playing transdimensional 4D chess here.

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    Eeeeh. The point was taht Anduin is acting extremely emotional due to N'Zoth's influence in the cinematic.
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    They make a point of showing that Anduin is likely already being affected by N'Zoth's power while flashing back to him striking Wrathion, so him being uncommonly irrational and angry because of N'Zoth's influence is kind've the whole point of the scene.

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    wrathion's intent was was to unite azeroth against the inevitable burning legion invasion back in MoP. both factions came together at the end of MoP when taking down garrosh, this pisses wrathion off (saying the alliance needed to defeat the horde and be the dominant faction of the world) and said he won't leave anything else to chance.

    wrathion, through the infinite + bronze dragonflights (wrathion + infinite dragons story line left open btw) free Garrosh, garrosh goes to WoD land with Wrathion thinking he's going to create a "savage" orc army to help fight off the Legion.

    WoD happens, Gul'dan escapes, brings the Legion to Azeroth much much much earlier than Wrathion intended.

    ...and this is all known to everybody, even Anduin. Anduin was well aware of his intentions. Wrathion is at fault for the chain of events he started. N'zoth only amplified Anduin's emotional reaction but he still feels the same way: it is Wrathion's fault for setting all of these events into motion.

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    Wrathion helped getting Garrosh out --> Garrosh goes on vacation to the past in an alternate universe --> Gul'dan Jr. escapes --> Gul'dan Jr. kills Varian ------> N'Zoth makes Anduin angrier than usual because Anduin is perfect
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    I mean, that's the same guy who blamed the Alliance for Arthas' and Daelin's actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKOstarion View Post
    wrathion's intent was was to unite azeroth against the inevitable burning legion invasion back in MoP. both factions came together at the end of MoP when taking down garrosh, this pisses wrathion off (saying the alliance needed to defeat the horde and be the dominant faction of the world) and said he won't leave anything else to chance.

    wrathion, through the infinite + bronze dragonflights (wrathion + infinite dragons story line left open btw) free Garrosh, garrosh goes to WoD land with Wrathion thinking he's going to create a "savage" orc army to help fight off the Legion.

    WoD happens, Gul'dan escapes, brings the Legion to Azeroth much much much earlier than Wrathion intended.

    ...and this is all known to everybody, even Anduin. Anduin was well aware of his intentions. Wrathion is at fault for the chain of events he started. N'zoth only amplified Anduin's emotional reaction but he still feels the same way: it is Wrathion's fault for setting all of these events into motion.
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    One of Wrathions plans was to literally open the Stargate to a world full of berserkers so they could plunder, murder and conquer their way across Azeroth. That was an actual plan. Sending an equivalent of the Zerg swarm, destroy EVERYONE on Azeroth and hope, homehow freaking hope, that when the Legion comes it will be stopped by the vastly more powerful, united forces of orcs in loincloth.

    His previous plan involved goading two major factions into bloody war with each other, culminating in the Horde being entirely destroyed. But that one seemed a bit too sane for him, I guess.

    Honestly when it comes to attempted mass genocide he's barely second to his father. So I wouldn't say Old God influence is required to be more than slightly upset at him.

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    The whole anduin stuff was just pure shock entertainment.

    Like most WoW lore since like cataclysm it is garbage.

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    There basically showing anduin having as insane and desperate logic as most forum posters. That's what a fragile mind does, only in anduins case it's due to old god influence
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    Wrathion played a role in Garrosh's escape from the Temple of the White Tiger. This allowed him to get to AU Draenor which in turn set up the events of WoD that sparked Legion, and the initial invasion of the Broken Shore where Varian died. I think it's pretty easy to see why Anduin would blame Wrathion - and both the Alliance and Horde were searching for Wrathion to hold him accountable for his actions in any case.

    The punch to the face is the result of N'Zoth's influence spreading on Azeroth, but the anger is pretty much all genuine.
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    Varian's death was caused by Varian when he stopped Thrall from executing Garrosh in SoO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    Varian's death was caused by Varian when he stopped Thrall from executing Garrosh in SoO
    Varian's death was caused by Grommash when he impregnated his wife.
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    Remember, Wrathion is responsible for Orc to the Future, aka WoD.

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    Varian's death was caused by Varian when he stopped Thrall from executing Garrosh in SoO
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKOstarion View Post
    wrathion's intent was was to unite azeroth against the inevitable burning legion invasion back in MoP. both factions came together at the end of MoP when taking down garrosh, this pisses wrathion off (saying the alliance needed to defeat the horde and be the dominant faction of the world) and said he won't leave anything else to chance.

    wrathion, through the infinite + bronze dragonflights (wrathion + infinite dragons story line left open btw) free Garrosh, garrosh goes to WoD land with Wrathion thinking he's going to create a "savage" orc army to help fight off the Legion.

    WoD happens, Gul'dan escapes, brings the Legion to Azeroth much much much earlier than Wrathion intended.

    ...and this is all known to everybody, even Anduin. Anduin was well aware of his intentions. Wrathion is at fault for the chain of events he started. N'zoth only amplified Anduin's emotional reaction but he still feels the same way: it is Wrathion's fault for setting all of these events into motion.
    I get the logic that gets us to Legion but; The Legion were going to invade Azeroth regardless. Maybe Wrathion sped that along slightly and unintentionally, but the Legion were coming. It's kind of like Wrathion jokingly pushed someone out the plane and their parachute doesn't open, but they were getting ready to jump out anyway 30 seconds later.

    The N'Zoth excuse here may explain why Anduin acted like a man for the first time in his life, but I'd argue Anduid already believed that Wrathion caused the Legion to invade which is non-sense for the most part. Shaw's inept spies have more to do with Varian's death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    Shaw's inept spies have more to do with Varian's death.
    "Inept" vs demons that have been practicing manipulation, deception, and outright mind control for millennia.
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    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
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    The Horde is basically the guy that gets mad that the guy that they just beat the crap out of had the audacity to bleed on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    Varian's death was caused by Grommash when he impregnated his wife.
    It was caused by Aggramar who created the Breakers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopsnacker View Post
    Of course you can say that a lot of people influenced of what happened at the broken shore, but in the end Wrathion was the key that literally started everything that happened for the last three expansions. He was the one manipulating both the horde and the alliance to destroy the horde and get a strong force to defend against the legion.

    But if his plan worked out Varian might not have died.
    That would be Thrall, had he not put Garrosh as Warchief but Cairne, the Alliance and the Horde would have become an unstopable force

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    "Inept" vs demons that have been practicing manipulation, deception, and outright mind control for millennia.
    They are spies... their whole existence is manipulation and deception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    They are spies... their whole existence is manipulation and deception.
    Read up on the Rogue Legion campaign.

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